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If your biggest problem is.... (Original Post) riversedge Apr 2016 OP
Great point. Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #1
I think it seems to boil down to that Sheepshank Apr 2016 #69
Have you noticed, don't like to redistribute to down ticket candidates either. Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #70
well, he did hand pick 3 recipients. But no clue how much he gave them Sheepshank Apr 2016 #71
apparently neither does Hillary Lazy Daisy Apr 2016 #72
What a crock! dchill Apr 2016 #2
If you don't know that concentrated wealth My Good Babushka Apr 2016 #3
They have cognitive dissonance Armstead Apr 2016 #19
Far too hostile, but wealth inequality so SEVERE that Hortensis Apr 2016 #22
So much this. forjusticethunders Apr 2016 #68
That was my first reaction. nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #35
How bout concentrated hate? That even more of a factor than concentrated wealth? tia uponit7771 Apr 2016 #61
She has a solid grasp on the vast array of issues that need to be addressed. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #4
See ... You don't get it! All of the former ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #5
Keep on ignoring corruption and conflating it with hating rich people think Apr 2016 #6
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #7
If that is your take home message from the OP, the problem is yours. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #10
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #13
Really? Is that my next comment? Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #23
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #31
Sanders has decent, basic issues driving his campaign, but no solutions. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #8
Did you stay up all night creating that Bernie image? TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #14
My avatar is The Lorax, one of the avatars provided by DU. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #15
Yes, I'm sure you like the little picture. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #21
Oh, my! Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #26
Yes, yes, we know it's yours. Calm down. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #32
I see you changed your dog whistle image. hobbit709 Apr 2016 #46
"Dog whistle" my ass. That was nadin's invention. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #47
you were bragging about it before you removed it. hobbit709 Apr 2016 #50
Really. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #54
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #20
This is the basic divide between supporters of Sanders and Clinton. It won't be solved here. Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #25
Being pissed off is a good starting point Armstead Apr 2016 #51
we agree on that, just not practical plan to govern. You can govern good and be happy too and uponit7771 Apr 2016 #66
Oh sure. One can enjoy life and govern happily, and still be pissed off at conditions. Armstead Apr 2016 #73
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2016 #62
This message was self-deleted by its author uponit7771 Apr 2016 #63
excellent DrDan Apr 2016 #9
What happened? $$$ hueymahl Apr 2016 #11
Is that from the Onion? TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #12
Let's take this apart: TCJ70 Apr 2016 #16
I'd like to see a Clinton support respond to this casperthegm Apr 2016 #28
Yes, do not hold your breath. They do not have the integrity to discuss anything honestly. nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #36
No, no...don't. I don't want you to get hurt... TCJ70 Apr 2016 #38
Great post, thank you. JudyM Apr 2016 #29
Your post shows a huge lack of knowledge of Hillary's policies. n/t Lucinda Apr 2016 #48
I'll admit to being glib on guns and climate change... TCJ70 Apr 2016 #52
A very dumb meme Armstead Apr 2016 #17
Yeah, we are just upset that rich people have money. More than a little misunderstanding there. JudyM Apr 2016 #27
WHY DO YOU HATE THE JOB CREATORS!!!??? QC Apr 2016 #33
The Clintons are Makers...Sanders and his supporters are Takers Armstead Apr 2016 #49
Yep. So many budding Ayn Rands feel welcome now QC Apr 2016 #58
Simple minds.... disillusioned73 Apr 2016 #18
If your biggest problem is the many do not have enough mmonk Apr 2016 #24
"Simple" is the perfect, illustrative last word in that meme. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #30
K&R livetohike Apr 2016 #34
Kick this... ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #37
No thanks. B.S. has no plans/ ideas how he is going to deliver livetohike Apr 2016 #42
Why do you support the Oligarchy? nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #43
Paid For by the Campaign To Elect The Rich Person With Money LadyHawkAZ Apr 2016 #39
There are a lot of people voting for Sanders but I don't think this post was from his supporters uponit7771 Apr 2016 #67
BBC Study: US is an Oligarchy, not a Democracy. Want to perpetuate that? Triana Apr 2016 #40
Except.... Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #41
Shit what to do if your problems are trust, graft, nepotism, corruption, fraud, negligence, jmg257 Apr 2016 #44
My biggest problem is that all that money can now be used to buy power away from me. Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #45
Sanders offers nothing else other than hatred of the rich as the solution, he has no other practical uponit7771 Apr 2016 #65
It's the money flow we hate, not the rich as individuals. How petty of you to ignore all that. Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #76
Sanders outspent Clinton 2 to 1 (MSNBC 4:50pm Central), he's the one with "big money" uponit7771 Apr 2016 #79
That's the point isn't it? small donors should not be outspent by one fat cat check. Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #82
Your reduction of issues borders on satire JackInGreen Apr 2016 #53
That's just BS and you all are smart enough to know it. KPN Apr 2016 #55
BS is hating rich people = problem solved uponit7771 Apr 2016 #64
No, BS is reducing others' issues and goals to because KPN Apr 2016 #74
you confuse 'simple' with 'simplistic'.... islandmkl Apr 2016 #56
Excellent, K&R COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #57
Me Too! frylock Apr 2016 #59
BAMB IN DA FACE !!! uponit7771 Apr 2016 #60
Yes! mcar Apr 2016 #75
K&R betsuni Apr 2016 #77
Delusional. Concerned about water so vote for the global fracking candidate? TheKentuckian Apr 2016 #78
I don't sip tea with people who'd send me to die for no reason. nt VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #80
I actually think MY biggest problem is the Death Penalty. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #81
 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
69. I think it seems to boil down to that
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:46 PM
Apr 2016

every single debate, every stump speech, always about wealth, and never a plan to redistribute it,

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
71. well, he did hand pick 3 recipients. But no clue how much he gave them
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:52 PM
Apr 2016

I wonder if it's common knowledge that Hillary and her Goldman Sachs money donated $10,000 for Bernie's Senatorial run? Wonder why it is that he can't figure it out that down ticket is important.

In addition, why isn't Bernie bought off because of the donation? Oh yes, for the very same reason he denies that Hillary isn't bought off either.

 

Lazy Daisy

(928 posts)
72. apparently neither does Hillary
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:54 PM
Apr 2016

Seeing as money given to states for down ballot Dems has been given right back to the DNC for Hillary. Funny how that all works out isn't it?

My Good Babushka

(2,710 posts)
3. If you don't know that concentrated wealth
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:38 AM
Apr 2016

is the obstacle that stands in the way of confronting all the issues in the second part of this rather stupid meme, then I don't know what you should do, but I'm sorry that you are voting in the same country that I am.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
22. Far too hostile, but wealth inequality so SEVERE that
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:54 AM
Apr 2016

it literally threatens the continuation of our democracy is at the top of my list too.

If I could, I'd turn America's 550 billionaires and another 30 thousand or better megamillionaires upside down and shake them down good.

This is the real world, though, so I'm voting for Hillary Clinton and other Democrats at all levels as my best tool for attacking it. They will continue and build on the inroads Obama has made against plutocratic wealth and power. And a Democratic president will stop cold plutocrat plans to control and redesign America by controlling SCOTUS.

I wish Bernie Sanders was all that we need him to be, I was drawn by his full-ahead tilt at the dragon and held the door open for new indications of personal strengths, but instead the impression that has developed to date -- from his own mouth -- is that he is most just a gadfly who has risen well past his level of incompetence.

 

forjusticethunders

(1,151 posts)
68. So much this.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:44 PM
Apr 2016
I wish Bernie Sanders was all that we need him to be, I was drawn by his full-ahead tilt at the dragon and held the door open for new indications of personal strengths, but instead the impression that has developed to date -- from his own mouth -- is that he is most just a gadfly who has risen well past his level of incompetence.


The guy is unfit for command and it fucking breaks my heart. Wanting to slay the dragon is all well and good but he doesn't fit into the armor and the sword is too big for him. Hillary will probably do not much more than whittle at it's HP a little bit but that's better than nothing.
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
4. She has a solid grasp on the vast array of issues that need to be addressed.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:38 AM
Apr 2016

While income inequality is one of my top issues, we have so much facing us. We really need someone like Clinton with serious depth and a team that can walk and chew gum.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
5. See ... You don't get it! All of the former ...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:38 AM
Apr 2016

is caused by the latter.

Solve the former and the latter will magically resolve themselves ... or something.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
6. Keep on ignoring corruption and conflating it with hating rich people
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:38 AM
Apr 2016

It's things like this that really shows how out of touch Hillary is with problems facing America.

When banks become felons for rigging interest rates no one goes to jail. Goldman Sachs admits defrauding clients no one goes to jail.


When one buries their head deep in the sand they have become part of the problem...

Response to riversedge (Original post)

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
10. If that is your take home message from the OP, the problem is yours.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:41 AM
Apr 2016

The OP says nothing of the kind.

Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #10)

Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #23)

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
8. Sanders has decent, basic issues driving his campaign, but no solutions.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:40 AM
Apr 2016

Being pissed off isn't enough.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)
14. Did you stay up all night creating that Bernie image?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:45 AM
Apr 2016

It's really lame, and you missed out on some desperately-needed sleep.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
15. My avatar is The Lorax, one of the avatars provided by DU.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:46 AM
Apr 2016

The pic in my sig line was given to me by a friend. I like it.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
47. "Dog whistle" my ass. That was nadin's invention.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:44 AM
Apr 2016

She alerted on me a few times for it and then started a thread bashing me for it. Terms like "anti-Semitic" and "anti-Catholic" (just like "racist&quot assume intent. For her (and apparently you) to assume you know my intent is arrogant or paranoid or both.

I told her my intent, but she dismissed it, alerted on me, and started the thread.

My new pic is the result of a rational person requesting (not demanding, badgering, or insulting) that I make the change. And, being a rational human being, he sent me a replacement.

So yeah, I changed the pic. Dog whistle? Bullshit.

Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #8)

uponit7771

(90,346 posts)
66. we agree on that, just not practical plan to govern. You can govern good and be happy too and
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:01 PM
Apr 2016

... get shit down no?

tia

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
73. Oh sure. One can enjoy life and govern happily, and still be pissed off at conditions.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:58 PM
Apr 2016

Paul Wellstone was great at that.

Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #8)

hueymahl

(2,497 posts)
11. What happened? $$$
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:41 AM
Apr 2016

And power.

The democratic leadership has become conservative and wants to protect what they have.

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
16. Let's take this apart:
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:48 AM
Apr 2016

Guns:
--Hillary: Confiscation
--Bernie: Constitutional right that needs regulation

Climate Change:
--Hillary: Fracking is all good!
--Bernie: Investment in alternative energies, stopping fracking, moving away from coal

Women's Rights:
--Both: They both are pretty much the same

Low Wages:
--Hillary: $12
--Bernie: $15

Health:
--Hillary: "Single Payer will never happen! Let's get that Congress that voted 60 times to repeal the ACA to improve it...somehow..."
--Bernie: "Healthcare is a right of all people!" Single Payer Medicare for All

Retirement & Pensions:
-- I don't know what this topic encompasses to break it down effectively

Banks:
--Hillary: "They give me tons of money, but I'm going to turn around and regulate them like nobodies business...trust me!"
--Bernie: Work with the industry, as terrible as it's been, to formulate a plan to break them down in the least impactful to consumers way

Water:
--This is a silly topic to use as a differentiator

Images like these are great for evoking emotional responses from people, but when you look just a little past them it's pretty clear to see how ridiculous they are.

casperthegm

(643 posts)
28. I'd like to see a Clinton support respond to this
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:01 AM
Apr 2016

Your points appear to be spot on and factual. Would any Clinton supporters care to chime in to refute this? I'll hold my breath...

TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
38. No, no...don't. I don't want you to get hurt...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:12 AM
Apr 2016

...but this is basic stuff. How anyone can even make a graphic like this and not fall over from the required spin and cognitive dissonance is something I'll never understand.

QC

(26,371 posts)
33. WHY DO YOU HATE THE JOB CREATORS!!!???
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:03 AM
Apr 2016

WHY DO YOU WANT TO PUNISH PEOPLE FOR BEING SUCCESSFUL???!!!

It's uncanny how many Hillary talking points are also Republican talking points.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
49. The Clintons are Makers...Sanders and his supporters are Takers
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:46 AM
Apr 2016

Sad how many Democrats are sounding like Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney these days.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
30. "Simple" is the perfect, illustrative last word in that meme.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:02 AM
Apr 2016

'Coz you'd have to be simple to believe it...

livetohike

(22,144 posts)
42. No thanks. B.S. has no plans/ ideas how he is going to deliver
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:45 AM
Apr 2016

on the complaints he has. He has not delivered in 25 years. Who thinks HE has a chance to get cooperation now? None of his colleagues,save for one Senator believe in him.

How is he going to get single payer, if as you claim that Hillary won't get anything from Congress?



LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
39. Paid For by the Campaign To Elect The Rich Person With Money
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:12 AM
Apr 2016

Who Was Pro-Gun Eight Years Ago, Supports Climate Damaging Industry, Sees Minimum Wage As A Photo Op, Stopped Supporting Healthcare, Is Cool With Fracking Destroying Your Water...

But Yes, She Cares About Banks.

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
40. BBC Study: US is an Oligarchy, not a Democracy. Want to perpetuate that?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:13 AM
Apr 2016
By ALL means, vote for Hillary.

Otherwise, if you'd like to see it changed, vote for Bernie Sanders.

It really IS that simple.

Yet - - It's a HELL of a lot more than just "oh wahah, rich people have money". That statement is grossly over-simplified.

To wit:

LINK: http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746

When a majority of citizens disagrees with economic elites and/or with organised interests, they generally lose. Moreover, because of the strong status quo bias built into the US political system, even when fairly large majorities of Americans favour policy change, they generally do not get it.

They conclude:

Americans do enjoy many features central to democratic governance, such as regular elections, freedom of speech and association and a widespread (if still contested) franchise. But we believe that if policymaking is dominated by powerful business organisations and a small number of affluent Americans, then America's claims to being a democratic society are seriously threatened.

. . .

"American democracy is a sham, no matter how much it's pumped by the oligarchs who run the country (and who control the nation's "news" media)," he writes. "The US, in other words, is basically similar to Russia or most other dubious 'electoral' 'democratic' countries. We weren't formerly, but we clearly are now."

This is the "Duh Report", says Death and Taxes magazine's Robyn Pennacchia. Maybe, she writes, Americans should just accept their fate.

"Perhaps we ought to suck it up, admit we have a classist society and do like England where we have a House of Lords and a House of Commoners," she writes, "instead of pretending as though we all have some kind of equal opportunity here."


Maybe "Americans should just accept their fate" as Ms. Pennacchia says. To accept that fate, we'd vote for Hillary Clinton and her TPP. That will codify it all straight into law. (what of it isn't already since the oligarchs and robber barons write the goddamned things -- another issue that Sanders would at least TRY to fix whereas Hillary will not).

This isn't an election. It's an IQ test. And it's one that America will likely fail because it's collectively too stupid to save its own Democracy.

I guess in that case we don't deserve to have one, then.

Our collective goose is cooked and the blinkered masses are all rushing to the polls to stick the FORK in (Hillary and TPP).

How fucking stupid is that?
 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
41. Except....
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:23 AM
Apr 2016

That she doesn't care about any of those...

She has not said that climate change is the greatest threat to humanity. Bernie has.

She is an idenity politicians with an attention span of a goldfish.

It's also clear as day that she spread her dishonesty down the ranks, using both strawmen and dogwhistles and shut their ears for fauc outrage after....

She doesn't care about women's rights in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Honduras, Libya, Syria, or any other place really unless she can con someone to give her their vote.

She doesn't care about climate change. She does care about spreading fracking around the world though.

She never cared about low wages until Bernie Sanders brought it up. She was for 12 dollars an hour. He is for |15 dollars an hour.

She also don't seem to care about legalized bribery. Hence the strawman "the biggest problem is that rich people have money"...Nothing of substance. Just a cheap talking point taken out of GOPs "Envy Playbook"..
Gotta love income inequality because Hillary never had an issue with it before.
Neither does she care about all the AA kids her husband destroyed the lives of with the Crimes Bill. She calls them superpredators only good to be used as slave labor on the prison plantion farms without pardon or education.

Hillary is a one issue candidate: How to defend and protect her criminal donors. Her tactic is to play a different tune to different groups and then go off script when confrontedf by BLM, Greenpeace and others.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
44. Shit what to do if your problems are trust, graft, nepotism, corruption, fraud, negligence,
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:54 AM
Apr 2016

tax evasion, ineptitude, lying. etc.?


You can put all the lipstick you want on a hog - it's still a hog.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
45. My biggest problem is that all that money can now be used to buy power away from me.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:05 AM
Apr 2016

But how vile to try and spin my concerns into some kind of spite.

uponit7771

(90,346 posts)
65. Sanders offers nothing else other than hatred of the rich as the solution, he has no other practical
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:00 PM
Apr 2016

... solutions and even openly says "I don't know" when asked about major planks of his platform.

So why wouldn't anyone logically thing, since there's no rational solutions, that it narrows down to hatred of rich folk?

tia

uponit7771

(90,346 posts)
79. Sanders outspent Clinton 2 to 1 (MSNBC 4:50pm Central), he's the one with "big money"
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:15 AM
Apr 2016

... if its from small donors

KPN

(15,646 posts)
74. No, BS is reducing others' issues and goals to because
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:34 PM
Apr 2016

they don't comport with yours to a thoughtless vulgar emotion: HATE, as you just did.

islandmkl

(5,275 posts)
56. you confuse 'simple' with 'simplistic'....
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:59 AM
Apr 2016

"treating complex issues and problems as if they were much simpler than they really are."

TheKentuckian

(25,026 posts)
78. Delusional. Concerned about water so vote for the global fracking candidate?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:29 AM
Apr 2016

Concerned about wages so vote for the free trading, corporate enabling candidate?

Concerned about women's rights so vote for the candidate that is up for making a deal with the regressives as long as the life of the mother is protected?

Concerned about health care so vote for the anti single payer candidate?

Concerned about retirement so vote for the candidate that won't raise the cap and is catfood friendly?

Concerned about banks so vote for the candidate that supposedly tells them to "cut it out" while hobnobbing with them, collecting their checks, and pushing their agenda?

Concerned about climate change so get behind the candidate doesn't prioritize it?

Super full of shit.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
81. I actually think MY biggest problem is the Death Penalty.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:20 AM
Apr 2016

And I'm positive she'll ask, behind closed doors probably, if a person she's considering nominating to the Supreme Court shares her views.

Yes? They're in.

No? Go home.

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