2016 Postmortem
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In many ways, it does some down to this:
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)every single debate, every stump speech, always about wealth, and never a plan to redistribute it,
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)I wonder if it's common knowledge that Hillary and her Goldman Sachs money donated $10,000 for Bernie's Senatorial run? Wonder why it is that he can't figure it out that down ticket is important.
In addition, why isn't Bernie bought off because of the donation? Oh yes, for the very same reason he denies that Hillary isn't bought off either.
Lazy Daisy
(928 posts)Seeing as money given to states for down ballot Dems has been given right back to the DNC for Hillary. Funny how that all works out isn't it?
dchill
(38,501 posts)Yet, amusing!
My Good Babushka
(2,710 posts)is the obstacle that stands in the way of confronting all the issues in the second part of this rather stupid meme, then I don't know what you should do, but I'm sorry that you are voting in the same country that I am.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)it literally threatens the continuation of our democracy is at the top of my list too.
If I could, I'd turn America's 550 billionaires and another 30 thousand or better megamillionaires upside down and shake them down good.
This is the real world, though, so I'm voting for Hillary Clinton and other Democrats at all levels as my best tool for attacking it. They will continue and build on the inroads Obama has made against plutocratic wealth and power. And a Democratic president will stop cold plutocrat plans to control and redesign America by controlling SCOTUS.
I wish Bernie Sanders was all that we need him to be, I was drawn by his full-ahead tilt at the dragon and held the door open for new indications of personal strengths, but instead the impression that has developed to date -- from his own mouth -- is that he is most just a gadfly who has risen well past his level of incompetence.
forjusticethunders
(1,151 posts)I wish Bernie Sanders was all that we need him to be, I was drawn by his full-ahead tilt at the dragon and held the door open for new indications of personal strengths, but instead the impression that has developed to date -- from his own mouth -- is that he is most just a gadfly who has risen well past his level of incompetence.
The guy is unfit for command and it fucking breaks my heart. Wanting to slay the dragon is all well and good but he doesn't fit into the armor and the sword is too big for him. Hillary will probably do not much more than whittle at it's HP a little bit but that's better than nothing.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)uponit7771
(90,346 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)While income inequality is one of my top issues, we have so much facing us. We really need someone like Clinton with serious depth and a team that can walk and chew gum.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)is caused by the latter.
Solve the former and the latter will magically resolve themselves ... or something.
think
(11,641 posts)It's things like this that really shows how out of touch Hillary is with problems facing America.
When banks become felons for rigging interest rates no one goes to jail. Goldman Sachs admits defrauding clients no one goes to jail.
When one buries their head deep in the sand they have become part of the problem...
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Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)The OP says nothing of the kind.
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Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Being pissed off isn't enough.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)It's really lame, and you missed out on some desperately-needed sleep.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)The pic in my sig line was given to me by a friend. I like it.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)It's very telling, actually........
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)She alerted on me a few times for it and then started a thread bashing me for it. Terms like "anti-Semitic" and "anti-Catholic" (just like "racist" assume intent. For her (and apparently you) to assume you know my intent is arrogant or paranoid or both.
I told her my intent, but she dismissed it, alerted on me, and started the thread.
My new pic is the result of a rational person requesting (not demanding, badgering, or insulting) that I make the change. And, being a rational human being, he sent me a replacement.
So yeah, I changed the pic. Dog whistle? Bullshit.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Care to quote me? Need the link to the thread?
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(38,437 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)uponit7771
(90,346 posts)... get shit down no?
tia
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Paul Wellstone was great at that.
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DrDan
(20,411 posts)hueymahl
(2,497 posts)And power.
The democratic leadership has become conservative and wants to protect what they have.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)TCJ70
(4,387 posts)Guns:
--Hillary: Confiscation
--Bernie: Constitutional right that needs regulation
Climate Change:
--Hillary: Fracking is all good!
--Bernie: Investment in alternative energies, stopping fracking, moving away from coal
Women's Rights:
--Both: They both are pretty much the same
Low Wages:
--Hillary: $12
--Bernie: $15
Health:
--Hillary: "Single Payer will never happen! Let's get that Congress that voted 60 times to repeal the ACA to improve it...somehow..."
--Bernie: "Healthcare is a right of all people!" Single Payer Medicare for All
Retirement & Pensions:
-- I don't know what this topic encompasses to break it down effectively
Banks:
--Hillary: "They give me tons of money, but I'm going to turn around and regulate them like nobodies business...trust me!"
--Bernie: Work with the industry, as terrible as it's been, to formulate a plan to break them down in the least impactful to consumers way
Water:
--This is a silly topic to use as a differentiator
Images like these are great for evoking emotional responses from people, but when you look just a little past them it's pretty clear to see how ridiculous they are.
casperthegm
(643 posts)Your points appear to be spot on and factual. Would any Clinton supporters care to chime in to refute this? I'll hold my breath...
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...but this is basic stuff. How anyone can even make a graphic like this and not fall over from the required spin and cognitive dissonance is something I'll never understand.
JudyM
(29,250 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)TCJ70
(4,387 posts)...but the rest are pretty accurate.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)JudyM
(29,250 posts)QC
(26,371 posts)WHY DO YOU WANT TO PUNISH PEOPLE FOR BEING SUCCESSFUL???!!!
It's uncanny how many Hillary talking points are also Republican talking points.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Sad how many Democrats are sounding like Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney these days.
QC
(26,371 posts)in the Party of the Working Class.
Weird, eh?
disillusioned73
(2,872 posts)Fall for bumper stickers.. dig for truth.. SIMPLE!
mmonk
(52,589 posts)to live on, vote Bernie.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)'Coz you'd have to be simple to believe it...
livetohike
(22,144 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)livetohike
(22,144 posts)on the complaints he has. He has not delivered in 25 years. Who thinks HE has a chance to get cooperation now? None of his colleagues,save for one Senator believe in him.
How is he going to get single payer, if as you claim that Hillary won't get anything from Congress?
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)Who Was Pro-Gun Eight Years Ago, Supports Climate Damaging Industry, Sees Minimum Wage As A Photo Op, Stopped Supporting Healthcare, Is Cool With Fracking Destroying Your Water...
But Yes, She Cares About Banks.
uponit7771
(90,346 posts)Triana
(22,666 posts)Otherwise, if you'd like to see it changed, vote for Bernie Sanders.
It really IS that simple.
Yet - - It's a HELL of a lot more than just "oh wahah, rich people have money". That statement is grossly over-simplified.
To wit:
LINK: http://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-echochambers-27074746
They conclude:
Americans do enjoy many features central to democratic governance, such as regular elections, freedom of speech and association and a widespread (if still contested) franchise. But we believe that if policymaking is dominated by powerful business organisations and a small number of affluent Americans, then America's claims to being a democratic society are seriously threatened.
. . .
"American democracy is a sham, no matter how much it's pumped by the oligarchs who run the country (and who control the nation's "news" media)," he writes. "The US, in other words, is basically similar to Russia or most other dubious 'electoral' 'democratic' countries. We weren't formerly, but we clearly are now."
This is the "Duh Report", says Death and Taxes magazine's Robyn Pennacchia. Maybe, she writes, Americans should just accept their fate.
"Perhaps we ought to suck it up, admit we have a classist society and do like England where we have a House of Lords and a House of Commoners," she writes, "instead of pretending as though we all have some kind of equal opportunity here."
Maybe "Americans should just accept their fate" as Ms. Pennacchia says. To accept that fate, we'd vote for Hillary Clinton and her TPP. That will codify it all straight into law. (what of it isn't already since the oligarchs and robber barons write the goddamned things -- another issue that Sanders would at least TRY to fix whereas Hillary will not).
This isn't an election. It's an IQ test. And it's one that America will likely fail because it's collectively too stupid to save its own Democracy.
I guess in that case we don't deserve to have one, then.
Our collective goose is cooked and the blinkered masses are all rushing to the polls to stick the FORK in (Hillary and TPP).
How fucking stupid is that?
Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)That she doesn't care about any of those...
She has not said that climate change is the greatest threat to humanity. Bernie has.
She is an idenity politicians with an attention span of a goldfish.
It's also clear as day that she spread her dishonesty down the ranks, using both strawmen and dogwhistles and shut their ears for fauc outrage after....
She doesn't care about women's rights in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Honduras, Libya, Syria, or any other place really unless she can con someone to give her their vote.
She doesn't care about climate change. She does care about spreading fracking around the world though.
She never cared about low wages until Bernie Sanders brought it up. She was for 12 dollars an hour. He is for |15 dollars an hour.
She also don't seem to care about legalized bribery. Hence the strawman "the biggest problem is that rich people have money"...Nothing of substance. Just a cheap talking point taken out of GOPs "Envy Playbook"..
Gotta love income inequality because Hillary never had an issue with it before.
Neither does she care about all the AA kids her husband destroyed the lives of with the Crimes Bill. She calls them superpredators only good to be used as slave labor on the prison plantion farms without pardon or education.
Hillary is a one issue candidate: How to defend and protect her criminal donors. Her tactic is to play a different tune to different groups and then go off script when confrontedf by BLM, Greenpeace and others.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)tax evasion, ineptitude, lying. etc.?
You can put all the lipstick you want on a hog - it's still a hog.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)But how vile to try and spin my concerns into some kind of spite.
uponit7771
(90,346 posts)... solutions and even openly says "I don't know" when asked about major planks of his platform.
So why wouldn't anyone logically thing, since there's no rational solutions, that it narrows down to hatred of rich folk?
tia
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)uponit7771
(90,346 posts)... if its from small donors
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)Or delusion, but that's on you.
KPN
(15,646 posts)Nice try though. We're smart too.
uponit7771
(90,346 posts)KPN
(15,646 posts)they don't comport with yours to a thoughtless vulgar emotion: HATE, as you just did.
islandmkl
(5,275 posts)"treating complex issues and problems as if they were much simpler than they really are."
COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)uponit7771
(90,346 posts)mcar
(42,334 posts)betsuni
(25,533 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)Concerned about wages so vote for the free trading, corporate enabling candidate?
Concerned about women's rights so vote for the candidate that is up for making a deal with the regressives as long as the life of the mother is protected?
Concerned about health care so vote for the anti single payer candidate?
Concerned about retirement so vote for the candidate that won't raise the cap and is catfood friendly?
Concerned about banks so vote for the candidate that supposedly tells them to "cut it out" while hobnobbing with them, collecting their checks, and pushing their agenda?
Concerned about climate change so get behind the candidate doesn't prioritize it?
Super full of shit.
VulgarPoet
(2,872 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)And I'm positive she'll ask, behind closed doors probably, if a person she's considering nominating to the Supreme Court shares her views.
Yes? They're in.
No? Go home.