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DCBob

(24,689 posts)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:36 AM Apr 2016

Campaign-finance lawyer: Victory fund lawsuit "basically sour grapes"

On Monday, the Sanders campaign raised the possibility that the Hillary Victory Fund, a joint-fundraising committee for the Clinton campaign, the Democratic National Committee, and 32 state Democratic Parties, may have committed “serious apparent violations” of campaign-finance laws.

At the heart of the matter is a claim that the fundraising effort may be improperly subsidizing the Clinton campaign. A letter sent by Brad Deutsch, the Sanders campaign attorney, to DNC Chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz, suggests that money spent by the fund has benefited the Clinton campaign in a way that could constitute “an impermissible in-kind contribution from the DNC and the participating state party committees.” The fund “appears to operate in a way that skirts legal limits on federal campaign donations and primarily benefits the Clinton presidential campaign,” a press release sent out by the Sanders campaign warned.

That doesn’t mean that the allegations are true. “It looks like basically sour grapes,” said Brett Kappel, a campaign-finance lawyer not affiliated with any presidential campaign. “He’s complaining that he’s being treated unfairly by the DNC, and I’m sure it appears that way to him, but joint-fundraising committees can be set up to raise money in just this way.” Election-law expert Rick Hasen wrote on his blog that “legally this seems weak.”

For Sanders, it could still be smart politics. It’s bold for a Democratic presidential candidate to take on the Democratic Party in the midst of a primary election. But it’s not unprecedented for the Sanders campaign, which has gotten into dust-ups with the DNC before. The most obvious risk is that the accusations will create friction between the campaign and the party. If Sanders makes it to the general election, he will likely need institutional support from establishment Democrats. Still, while it might be devastating for most Democratic candidates to pick a fight with the DNC, the tension could actually benefit the senator’s White House run.

More: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/04/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-dnc/478875/

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More false allegations from the Bernie campaign. This crap really needs to stop. It only hurts Democrats.
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Campaign-finance lawyer: Victory fund lawsuit "basically sour grapes" (Original Post) DCBob Apr 2016 OP
Sanders campaign itself really needs to stop. It's only hurting Democrats nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #1
Good point. DCBob Apr 2016 #2
Maybe if Sanders had bothered to actually work with the DNC to set up something for himself... randome Apr 2016 #3
Clearly he has an aversion to being a Democrat and working with Democrats. DCBob Apr 2016 #5
They're pouting. NurseJackie Apr 2016 #4
How does one try to deflect accurate charges of Corruption? RiverLover Apr 2016 #6
no, it's called looking at the law and showing that the charges are inaccurate. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #7
According to the article that lawyer is unaffiliated with either campaign. DCBob Apr 2016 #8
Reason #47 Bernie will never win the Superdelegates over. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #9
Its astounding that Bernie thinks the Supers will back him at the convention. DCBob Apr 2016 #12
I'd say McCutcheon vs FEC hurts ALL OF US Triana Apr 2016 #10
Its legal. DCBob Apr 2016 #11
And this proves what again? beedle Apr 2016 #13
Please post links to opinions of "other lawyers" who are independent of the Sanders campaign. DCBob Apr 2016 #14
So you dont like that campign finance lawyer .. here's another one's opinion DCBob Apr 2016 #15
Yep. Legal...just like subprime loans, ARMs, gun shows. All legal. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #16
Right.. in the sense that Bernie's lawsuit is frivolous ie.. "sour grapes". DCBob Apr 2016 #17
The perception of wrongdoing is often as damaging is the reality of wrongdoing. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #18
Sure.. which is Sander's desperate, hail mary, scorched earth strategy at this point. DCBob Apr 2016 #19
Tsk. Tsk. Poor Hillary. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #20
And using false accusations in order to COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #23
So, who's making the "false accusations"? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #24
People posting accusing Hillary of legal wrongdoing COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #25
And, you know those accusations to be false. How? Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #28
No. I don't believe in unsupported allegations. Every time I have COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #29
He knows better. Which makes this yet another dishonest move. n/t Lucinda Apr 2016 #21
It's not even sour grapes; it's just flat-out ignorance Blue_Tires Apr 2016 #22
"basically sour grapes" stonecutter357 Apr 2016 #26
It would beineresting to know exactly how it works. HassleCat Apr 2016 #27
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
3. Maybe if Sanders had bothered to actually work with the DNC to set up something for himself...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:41 AM
Apr 2016

...he wouldn't be treated so 'unfairly'? I swear, it's like the guy has some sort of aversion to talking to his peers. He can only talk to people when on camera or something.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"
[/center][/font][hr]

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
7. no, it's called looking at the law and showing that the charges are inaccurate.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:45 AM
Apr 2016

Only people buying this argument are Sanders boosters and Republicans

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
12. Its astounding that Bernie thinks the Supers will back him at the convention.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:55 AM
Apr 2016

Its either a calculated bluff or he's simply lost it.

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
10. I'd say McCutcheon vs FEC hurts ALL OF US
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:47 AM
Apr 2016

That is the legalized bribery law under which the Hillary Victory Fund operates.

No one believes Clinton will change our broken campaign finance laws when she USES them to help herself.

She's part of the problem.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
11. Its legal.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:49 AM
Apr 2016

If it needs to be changed then lets work to do that. Suing a fellow Democrat over a false claim is not the way to move forward.

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
13. And this proves what again?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:56 AM
Apr 2016
Brett Kappel focuses his practice primarily on political law, including federal and state laws and regulations governing campaign finance, lobbying, and government ethics. His clients include corporations, trade associations, members of Congress, candidates for public office, political action committees, and Super PACs.


Other than being part of the problem, what is makes his opinion better than other lawyers who have already condemned the way this funding is set up?

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
14. Please post links to opinions of "other lawyers" who are independent of the Sanders campaign.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:58 AM
Apr 2016

Thanks!

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
15. So you dont like that campign finance lawyer .. here's another one's opinion
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:15 AM
Apr 2016
Here’s the deal. Clinton, like Sanders and other presidential candidates, has set up a joint fundraising committee with her political party. The JFC allows you to raise a huge chunk of change (more now than in past campaigns, thanks to the Supreme Court blowing out the aggregate federal limits in the McCutcheon case). A small bit goes to the candidate’s committee under the federal limits (currently $2,700 for the primary and $2,700 for the general). The next bit goes to the DNC, and the rest so state parties in $10,000 chunks. Sanders is accusing the joint committee of raising really big donations, and then having the JFC using some of those really big donations to engage in direct mail and internet targeting of small donors. When those small donors donate small amounts, contributions up to the first $2,700 benefit Clinton under the JFC agreement, and because these are small donors, it means Clinton gets all that small donor money.

The Deutsch letter cites no authority showing that this use of the JFC is not allowed, and it is hard to see what provision of the law it violates when donors give only small amounts that happen to benefit only Clinton. The letter says that maybe this is like an in-kind contribution from the DNC to the Clinton campaign, but I don’t see how it is that if the money is coming from the JFC not from the committee. The letter even says this means that those giving big checks to the DNC might thereby be giving more than the $2,700 to Clinton, which is not literally true—it is what the JFC is doing with the money, over which the donors have no control.

So legally this seems weak.

http://electionlawblog.org/?p=81996
 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
18. The perception of wrongdoing is often as damaging is the reality of wrongdoing.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:40 AM
Apr 2016

See Hillary's status as "trustworthy".

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
19. Sure.. which is Sander's desperate, hail mary, scorched earth strategy at this point.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:43 AM
Apr 2016

He has no chance to win and this only serves to undermine our eventual nominee.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
29. No. I don't believe in unsupported allegations. Every time I have
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:05 PM
Apr 2016

asked posters to send me some actual proof, with links the silence is deafening.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
22. It's not even sour grapes; it's just flat-out ignorance
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:29 AM
Apr 2016

Who knew there were this many people in New York who evidently never participated in a presidential primary?

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
27. It would beineresting to know exactly how it works.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:22 PM
Apr 2016

"I raise all this money for my party." Sure, then the party gives back some of it. As a Democrat who gives money to the party, I'd kind of like to know how this circular fund raising thing works.

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