That will give them a huge boost in delegates and momentum into next Tuesday.

When a politician can't carry their home state, usually by quite a bit, it is humiliating. Bernie carried Vermon something like 80/20.

Sanders needs delegates not moral victories.

So it's looking more like there's just a natural schism that exists in what people are looking for.

Hillary was Senator in NY from 2000 - 2009, SoS in DC from 2009-2013. Non-elected resident of NY until starting Presidential run in '15.

Though they'd both be competing for most humiliated, no doubt, if it would help.

Btw, isn't comparing little tidy-whitey NIMBY Vermont to big, vibrantly active and extremely diverse New York just a little irrelevant itself? Pope Francis and George Washington as running mates couldn't pull 80% there.

"her home state?

The comparison to Vermont is absurd, being that Hillary has no connections to that state. Sanders is NYC born and bred, and lately has been claiming NY as his home state

The facts are the facts. Bernie is losing, and losing is losing when you're losing. Small losing, big losing, it's all still losing.

This is all about emotion. Coping with the impeding bad news by rationalizing

called loser. How do they get away with it for 8 months.

You heard Brünnhilde singing? I'd go with what the actual colloquialism is but undoubtedly you'd start screaming that the term "fat lady" was unacceptable and sexist because I was discussing a presidential election and one candidate is female.

How do Bernie Sanders and his supporters "get away with it for 8 months"? You mean how do Sanders and his supporters delay the coronation you all want and need down to the very core of your being? I guess that answer lies in the fact it's a free fucking country and some of us don't run with herds.

From day one, to this moment, she is in the lead. Never lost the lead. Why is that such a challenge for you?

strong suit.

Truly.

to an aardvark. Your now defeated wish, the one that had Bernie Sanders dropping out after the first poll, inspires me to enjoy and treasure each and every day Bernie Sanders stays in the race. By "you" I mean the majority of Clinton supporters here at DU.

The fucking arrogance on display in re Hillary Clinton is breathtaking.

I'm afraid that arrogance will become, overnight, wailing and gnashing of teeth when Donald Trump gets so far under her skin you all think her own vital organs are attacking her.

But I've reconciled my hope with the reality of another Clinton leading the Democratic Party. That will effectively put peoples' vision of a bright future on hold for a generation or so, while the thought of a Trump presidency puts any hope of a bright future during my lifetime completely beyond my allotted number of days on this earth.

After casting my primary ballot for Bernie in California in June in the name of hope for a brighter future, I guess I'll have to pivot to voting in November to the lesser of two evils once more, and get used to the notion that real and effective change was never in the cards in the first place.

are having a tough time with Clinton being the winner, all the way thru. Lordy. This is comical. I didn't get how you do this, but you all are giving me a wonderful preview of it being done. Oddest.

How the winner is made the loser. And the loser? LOl.

Which would make one think that surely St Bernard had dramatically come from behind with massive delegate numbers and popular votes.

But alas, in many of those states where there are more cows than people, the popular vote for St Bernard is still 2.4 million down and 204 delegates short. Cows do not vote, btw.

Which means in the grand scheme of things he's losing, as in 'not winning, not close, the game is nearly over because the math doesn't work."

But please, keep digging.

I never said anything about Bernie as winner, or that he will win.

In order to walk onto the convention floor with enough pledged delegates to secure the nomination, HRC will have to win 66% of all remaining pledged delegates. Anything less and it will come down to SuperDelegates and if that is the way you want to do it than I would not act surprised when and if SuperDelegates from states she lost its for her and then some state's residents freak out...like Washington or Hawaii or Vermont, where she wasn't even viable.

Lol so she's supposed to win a majority of ALL delegates with only PLEDGED delegates. Either count only pledged delegates or not it makes zero sense to do it both ways. Using your ridiculous logic any nominee needs 59% of the vote from the start. Pretty sure 50% is the common standard for winning a majority not 59%. To maintain otherwise is thoroughly disingenuous.

You do realize that there is an actual number of delegates a person has to have to win the nomination, right? It can change from election cycle to election cycle. This year, for a Democrat to win the nomination they have to have 2,382 delegates. Right now she roughly has 1,295. There are 1674 delegates still on the table.

Math says:
2,382-1295= 1, 087
1087/2382= 65%

The actual raw pledged delegates she has today is a little fuzzy but doesn't change the bigger point: she needs 65 to 66% of the remaining pledged delegates to walk onto the convention floor as the nominee.

There are 4051 pledged delegates available from the start. 50% of that is 2026. If you include superdelegates, there are a total of 4763.... 50% of that is 2382. By what ridiculous twisting of logic would you expect the candidate to reach half of 4763 while using only pledged delegates? In order to do so they need 59 % of them. It's disingenuous and Barack Obama did not come close to doing it in 2008. Why would you count superdelegates in the total necessary but not in her delegates won? I really don't know if you are just mathematically clueless or intentionally obfuscating the topic.

This is where the power of magical thinking comes into play. The Bernie Brigade can finagle the numbers with a pinch of fairy dust and all things become good and right in their Universe.

That's the parallel Universe where St Bernard is winning big and anyone who says different is a big, fat liar.

I fear the concept of logic & math is lost on the Brigade faction. They are more attuned to St Bernard's Magic&Light show--short on substance but the fireworks are brilliant.

Part of it is raw voting, yes. But another part is perceived momentum. If Hillary takes a big chunk in NY, then voters in remaining primary states might think its too far for Bernie to reach and will support Hillary as the best chance to win. Sanders stalking her is the best case for him right now. He needs a miracle to win the nomination out right before its time to go to Philly. Since that's like playing Power Ball, his best chance is to go to the Convention as close to Hillary as possible, hopefully with her less than 2,382 delegates. Then spark a floor fight and make his stand there.

The Republicans are defiantly going to have a floor fight, and that's gonna be a shit-show. Right now we have to wonder if Democrats want that to happen too. I don't think it would be as much of a shit-show as the Republicans, but it certainly would breed uncertainty and doubt among donors and that will have ugly ramifications in the GE. Do party members want that? I doubt it. We're at the point, right now, that party members are going to gel behind whomever they think is strongest going into the convention. Regardless of their personal choice between Bernie and Hillary.

Look back to 2008, we are entering the season where the tipping point between Obama and Hillary happened. The tip for Hillary or Bernie will come very soon and it will be very sudden I expect.

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Good Luck-we are counting on you

What percentage of remaining pledged delegates would Sanders need to secure the nomination going into the convention?

tonight. In order to remain viably in this race, Bernie needs a sizable win, not a loss. A loss means that he'll need even more votes in the rest of the primaries. There's no way losing is a win of any kind for him.

The desperation is leading to a math ability deficit among his supporters.

And I'm just talking about pledged delegates. Never mind loyal superdelegates. They don't count until the convention, but they'll sure as Hell count then. Maybe more attacks on their Facebook pages will change their minds, I suppose. That trick works every time.

She'll have no problem with super delegates. Sanders supporters are completely insane on this point. There will be no cause for those delegates to change.

Which is just fine with The 'Not Hillary' Party.

And then does the same in California and goes into the convention in a virutal tie in pledged delegates and the lead in popular vote. Then will Clinton supports still talk about how important the popular vote is?

That would be a huge win for her.

that voting corruption shouldn't be feared, because both sides would tend to cancel each other out.

Wacky!

at the start of the convention. I don't count them right now, although some people do. By that count, it's been over for some time, as far as the Sanders campaign is concerned.

Until one person is completely eliminated from going to the convention with more delegates.

Last night was brutal, today will be worse.

Hillary wins the delegate race today if she gets 51% of the vote. Of course, the Hillaryhate media will portray it as a disappointment, but whatever. The math is all that matters.

It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.

I'd say that would be a moral victory, but it really isn't even that. It will be quite ridiculous if anyone spins a 20% loss into a win for Sanders.

She needs to win an average of 43% in the remaining states to gain a majority of pledged delegates.

She wins on delegates not states. ABC's statement is meaningless.

That doesn't change the fact that she's still in the lead in delegates and popular votes and her chances of winning are still very good. I'm just harping on ABC's inaccurate representation of how all this works. I hate it when journalism fails like that.

By excluding southern states.

Sanders can not make up a 200+ delegate deficit without winning New York by double digits

California has 3 times the delegates of New York.

Surely that is not true? I think California doesn't even have twice as much delegates.

As I understand it, Hillary can stay on track for the nomination even if she loses by as much as 40/60. So Bernie cannot win, unless there is some mass hysteria event that causes all her supporters to vote for Bernie.

is showing her losing ground.

In the Democratic Primary system, 4051 pledged delegates and 715 unpledged delegates are at stake. 2920 of that total have been determined:

HRC: 1307 pledged + 476 unpledged = 1783 total
BS: 1097 pledged + 40 unpledged = 1137 total

The difference is 656 total delegates at this moment. That's THE math.

Can you tell us about your math?