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JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:27 AM Apr 2016

Hillary Clinton is going to be the next president of the United States.

Anyone who disagrees are in serious denial. The Republican party will not win the presidency for a long time, because theyre far too extreme.

Unfortunately the democratic is the old republican party. This country has 2 conservative parties. Income inequality will not be addressed by Third Way democrats because they do not believe the country is headed in the wrong direction. Thus the push for incremental change aka everything is alright in corporacrats minds.

A corporacrat is better than a Republican but still bad for America.

Under corporacrats and republicans the continuation of bubble economies persist.

Hillary better learn to be progressive, because an economic downturn is coming.

Economic collapses are how the billionaire class loots from the 99%.

Either way I see the corporate control of the democratic in its last days.

This country's future is progressive.

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Hillary Clinton is going to be the next president of the United States. (Original Post) JRLeft Apr 2016 OP
If so, we all lose. 2pooped2pop Apr 2016 #1
Like I said the democratic party is moving in a progressive JRLeft Apr 2016 #2
the party doesn't care Robbins Apr 2016 #40
Frankly, I think Bernie should run as an independent. KPN Apr 2016 #3
Yea, after using the party for money and media he should just keep trying to destroy it. JTFrog Apr 2016 #6
Do you think Bernie woulkd have gotten any national attention at all KPN Apr 2016 #18
Who cares? You don't beg from someone and then bite their hand off. JTFrog Apr 2016 #36
Who? Why any intelligent person. KPN Apr 2016 #55
The Third Way corporatists are destroying the Party all on their own. Broward Apr 2016 #19
I wish he would. But he said he wouldn't, so he won't. His word is solid. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #15
Surrender monkeys suck. 99Forever Apr 2016 #4
Hillary is a corporatist and will ALWAYS be a corporatist. Talk about denial. Skwmom Apr 2016 #5
Agreed, but during her presidency she will have to be progressive at some point or else risk a JRLeft Apr 2016 #8
Your dreaming Robbins Apr 2016 #41
Yes Indeed ! JanetLovesObama Apr 2016 #7
You ever heard of income inequality? JRLeft Apr 2016 #9
:( Fawke Em Apr 2016 #22
I can't wait to see her sworn in. auntpurl Apr 2016 #27
Weak Clinton Campaign is crying now that we all know how weak it is. Arizona Roadrunner Apr 2016 #10
Not with my help whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #11
Nor mine. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #23
Odds are, yes. But it isn't a done deal. The repub nominee could win. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #12
No she won't. Republicans will turn out in masses ThePhilosopher04 Apr 2016 #13
Hillary will get a decent amount of republicans. She will win easily. JRLeft Apr 2016 #21
But anemic Democratic/left turnout doesn't favor her, either. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #25
She will get more than you think. JRLeft Apr 2016 #30
Says your irrational exuberance whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #37
She will get less than you think ThePhilosopher04 Apr 2016 #38
History says she will get a significant amount of progressives to vote for her. JRLeft Apr 2016 #48
It seems obvious to me many people won't look at Hillary in depth All in it together Apr 2016 #14
Hubris. Kittycat Apr 2016 #16
Hillary better learn to be progressive? Time for change Apr 2016 #17
She has to govern progressive, too many people are waking up to the con game both JRLeft Apr 2016 #28
she never will Robbins Apr 2016 #43
+1! DCBob Apr 2016 #20
She can't win a general election AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #24
Wrong she we will win fairly easily. JRLeft Apr 2016 #31
Great news for some people. Octafish Apr 2016 #26
a bush and kissinger lover learn to be progressive Robbins Apr 2016 #44
Wait 'til she means-tests Social Security, which will destroy it. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #29
She will risk being primaried, and if she screws the people the democrats JRLeft Apr 2016 #34
If Clinton is nominee 2018 midterm is already lost Robbins Apr 2016 #46
10 reasons she won't. Dawgs Apr 2016 #32
President Hillary Rodham Clinton.........I like it. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #33
"Hillary better learn to be progressive?" In which alternate universe will this occur? Miles Archer Apr 2016 #35
Here is the thing Robbins Apr 2016 #39
She may very well do. And that's a terrible, terrible outcome. Lizzie Poppet Apr 2016 #42
I've read most of Philip K Dick's novels, but I missed this particular exploration of Karmadillo Apr 2016 #45
She might be the last gasp of neoliberalism nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #47
Either the democratic party moves progressive or another party will rise to challenge it. JRLeft Apr 2016 #49
Yes, but it took a while after 1824 nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #53
I'm not sure what will happen but conservative rule is on its last leg. JRLeft Apr 2016 #56
What will happen will not be pleasant nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #57
it will get ugly. uglier. Hiraeth Apr 2016 #60
Keep dreaming little sunshine pdsimdars Apr 2016 #50
Your opinion (mirroring Hillary's), completely leaves out labor and union Democrats. nt silvershadow Apr 2016 #51
Hillary will never be Progressive. djean111 Apr 2016 #52
Corporate control of the Democratic Party will be further strengthened with HRC as President. stillwaiting Apr 2016 #54
No chance ThePhilosopher04 Apr 2016 #58
Highly unlikely. basselope Apr 2016 #59
I don't know why you felt the need to post this. Hiraeth Apr 2016 #61
Yes, it's highly likely she will win, but it's not foregone. Republicans have come back BreakfastClub Apr 2016 #62
 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
2. Like I said the democratic party is moving in a progressive
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:32 AM
Apr 2016

direction anyway. Bill Clinton's record will be exposed as pure garbage.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
40. the party doesn't care
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:22 AM
Apr 2016

they agree with Bill Clinton's record and his attacks on both bernie supporters and BLM.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
3. Frankly, I think Bernie should run as an independent.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:32 AM
Apr 2016

Based on everything the Party has said (He's not a Democrat, etc.) and done during this primary, that's what the Democratic Party basically wants him to do.

I think it would be only fitting for Bernie to comply with their wishes.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
6. Yea, after using the party for money and media he should just keep trying to destroy it.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:34 AM
Apr 2016

Nothing shitty about that at all.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
18. Do you think Bernie woulkd have gotten any national attention at all
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:49 AM
Apr 2016

had he started his campaign as an Independent? Do you think any candidate can get sufficient national attention in the GE without being present and highly visible during the "primaries" season?

The two party system holds anyone outside the parties, whether candidate or citizen, hostage via their current vice grip. They play hard ball. The DNC has played hard ball every step along the way with Bernie. The two parties are currently giving us a slate of candidates (with the exception of Bernie) who all enjoy less than 50% favorability rating among the American public. On the D side, Hillary has, what, a 36% favorability rating?

The parties are not giving the majority of Americans what they want -- on the issues or with candidates. And you are worried about being nice to the parties?

Good grief!

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
15. I wish he would. But he said he wouldn't, so he won't. His word is solid.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:41 AM
Apr 2016

It would be nice to have a progressive voice in the race instead of two corporate conservatives running alone.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
5. Hillary is a corporatist and will ALWAYS be a corporatist. Talk about denial.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:33 AM
Apr 2016

The corporate republican and democratic whores will be right there looting with their big money overlords.
 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
8. Agreed, but during her presidency she will have to be progressive at some point or else risk a
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:35 AM
Apr 2016

one term presidency.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
41. Your dreaming
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:23 AM
Apr 2016

Clinton only cares about her power and wall street donors.she is enemy of progressives.a shame more don't see it.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
22. :(
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:52 AM
Apr 2016


And, to Pres. Trump or Cruz, too, for good measure.

What a sucky bunch of elitists we have running.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
27. I can't wait to see her sworn in.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:55 AM
Apr 2016

I think about all the little girls who will be at home thinking "That could be me!"

 

Arizona Roadrunner

(168 posts)
10. Weak Clinton Campaign is crying now that we all know how weak it is.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:36 AM
Apr 2016

I just heard a Clinton campaign "spokesperson" (Fallon) complaining that Sanders is "attacking" their weak candidate and therefore it will hurt her for the general election. Isn't that what a primary is for? To find out who the weak and stronger candidates are? If they can't handle "friendly fire" what makes you think they can handle "the enemy fire" of the general election. Trump is already calling Hillary "crooked Hillary" which in and of itself will invite scrutiny of any perceived "wrong doing" in speeches vs. perceived "pay offs" etc. let alone scrutiny of decisions and timing of contributions to the Clinton Foundation.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
12. Odds are, yes. But it isn't a done deal. The repub nominee could win.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:38 AM
Apr 2016

The repubs have a lot of dirt on Hillary that Bernie wouldn't use. The FBI could recommend indictment or at a minimum strongly criticize her actions. Independents really do not like her and the republicans could pick up a winning margin there.

We do have only two major parties and both are now conservative and heavily corporate influenced.

Apparently that's what a big majority of voters want. When the rubber meets the road, the voters aren't really all that concerned with inequality or corporate dominance. They aren't really that concerned about Climate Change either. They seem to be happy with foreign policy hawks, always looking for that next place to use the military, in power.

I would say the country's future is bleak, not progressive. at least for the next decade.

 

ThePhilosopher04

(1,732 posts)
13. No she won't. Republicans will turn out in masses
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:39 AM
Apr 2016

to vote against her and liberal independents will stay home or vote Green. She has no shot.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
21. Hillary will get a decent amount of republicans. She will win easily.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:52 AM
Apr 2016

The demographics are not in the GOP's favor.

All in it together

(275 posts)
14. It seems obvious to me many people won't look at Hillary in depth
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:39 AM
Apr 2016

They've taken her side or feel they're standing up for Obama and won't look at her with any objectivity.
Hillary scares the shit out of me for this country and the world. We will turn this Oligarchy around soon or it will be too late for us and the earth to come out relatively unscathed. Hillary won't change this trajectory enough to matter. It pays her to support the Oligarchy. If Hillary wins expecting her to turn her back on the oligarchy is pie in the sky. She'll need extreme push back by the people, and possibly she'll do a few things for us. Too bad we've lost the party to the oligarchy, the people would like it back please.

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
16. Hubris.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:44 AM
Apr 2016

I wonder if Rachel Maddow will put out a revision or part 2, to her book and documentary. Now that we know more of the truth around the Iraq War. I still can't believe Hillary voted for it. Then again, seeing her actions towards other countries, and the fleecing of their land and resources after - maybe I can. I guess that's not a story Rachel wants to shine a light on through, is it?



Time for change

(13,714 posts)
17. Hillary better learn to be progressive?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:47 AM
Apr 2016

I agree, but....

With all the campaign money she is receiving from special interests, and considering that she has voted for every trade deal that has hurt our nation's workers so badly, I think that it is unrealistic to think that she will.

I agree that the situation looks bleak now for anyone else getting the Democratic nomination. Hillary almost the whole weight of the Democratic Party behind her, otherwise she would be out of the race by now. The Democratic Party is no longer progressive. There is much evidence for that, but the biggest evidence is their massive support for Hillary over Bernie.

All the evidence points to the fact that Bernie would stand a much better chance against any Republican nominee than Hillary would. He is doing much better than her in head to head polling against all the Republican candidates, and he is beating her in favorability rating (with all voters, not limited to Democrats) by about 20 points (+7 vs. -13). The Republicans are saving a vast amount of ammunition against her (including leaks of her speeches to Wall Street) for when (and if) she gets the nomination, after which her unfavorability ratings are likely to plummet so low that she wouldn't stand a chance against any Republican candidate. And what if she gets indicted after receiving the nomination?

In contrast, they don't have any good ammunition against Bernie. I'm sure they'll call him a Marxist, etc. etc., but he does an excellent job of brushing off those insults. If Social Security, living wages for all, controls over fraudulent financial practices by our financial industries, affordable health care for all, etc. is Socialism, then yes, Bernie is a Socialist. But when Americans understand what his brand of "Socialism" involves, that label will be a plus, not a minus. Since he already has a commanding lead in the polls against all presidential candidates of either party, that will translate to a landslide Democratic win in November.

So if the Democratic Party really cares about winning in November, they will seriously consider changing their support to Bernie. But do they care? Would they rather see a Bernie presidency or a Republican presidency for the next 4 years? The way they are acting now suggests to me that they would rather see the latter, because they don't want to lose control of their party to an anti-establishment outsider.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
28. She has to govern progressive, too many people are waking up to the con game both
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:55 AM
Apr 2016

parties have played on the people of this nation.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
29. Wait 'til she means-tests Social Security, which will destroy it.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:55 AM
Apr 2016

It will take a Democrat to destroy our social safety nets, which is just the goal of Third Way Democrats.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
34. She will risk being primaried, and if she screws the people the democrats
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:59 AM
Apr 2016

will be annihilated in the midterms.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
46. If Clinton is nominee 2018 midterm is already lost
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:29 AM
Apr 2016

if she wins dems will get maussacured in midterm in 2018.If she loses dems have no chance.GOP will use what she did and what
they do to make sure republicans can't lose in 2018 ensuring GOP majority of congress for decades to come.

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
32. 10 reasons she won't.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:58 AM
Apr 2016

1) Just under 6 out of 10 people don't like her, find her untrustworthy, or to be a liar.

2) Millennials don't think she's any better than the Republicans. They also aren't connected to the party.

3) Bernie supporters, Democrats or not, don't like Hillary. She may get most to vote for her against Trump, but most isn't good enough. She will need all of them.

4) Independents don't like her. They prefer Trump or Bernie.

5) Republicans desperately want to be in the WH again. They will hold their nose and vote for Trump or Cruz over Hillary. It's not even close.

6) She doesn't inspire or create enthusiasm ... compare to Bernie and Obama, or even Trump.

7) She doesn't offer any plan or message for the future. Obama had one of hope and change, and Bernie has one of economic equality.

8) She's part of the establishment. That's not a good place to be in 2016.

9) Much of her message is to be the status-quo President that will continue Obama's Presidency. Not very inspiring when all Republicans, almost all Independents, and quite a few Democrats want big change now.

10) She's not a very good candidate. She keeps things (speeches, etc.) from the public that make her look like she's hiding something. Her and Bill get unnecessarily angry when confronted. And, she changes so many positions on issues that it's hard for people to figure out what she really believes.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
35. "Hillary better learn to be progressive?" In which alternate universe will this occur?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:03 AM
Apr 2016

Let's get one thing straight.

If Hillary gets the job...if...she's not going to "learn" on damned thing.

It will be four years of "I'm the Decider."

Deja Vu all over again.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
39. Here is the thing
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:19 AM
Apr 2016

Democratic party has been exposed as centrist corporist neocon party.many so called progressives have been exposed as phonys.

what Bush did in florida and ohio dems are doing for clinton all over the country In primarys and caucus.

dems were fine with swiftboating of bernie on civil rights.so they are no different than Bush.John Lewis knew exactly what he was
doing when tried to say bernie did nothing for civil rights but clintons did.

The democratic party must agree with Bill Clinton calling bernie supporters tea party and wanting to commit murder

after Bill Clinton melttdown on BLM dems like charlie rangel still campagined with him meaning they support what he said.

Issues matters.so many dems who endorsed clinton must support her on Issues.

Many ignore independents don't like clinton.amnd anywhere from 17% to 33% of bernie supporters won't vote for her.back in 2008
17% of clinton supporters voted for Mccain.

dems are fine with voter fraud being committed against bernie supporters.

We have been called everything from racists to nazis by clinton supporters.

A Clinton nomination shows the pretense of democratic party being progressive is over.we have 2 coporate neocon partys.

Clinton has been benefiting from citizen united.the idea she would work to overturn it is laughable.and is the idea she will be
tough on wall street.Hello her son in law is hedge fund manager.

polls show clinton would be in deat heat with Cruz and would lose to Kasich.If ryan was drafted a poll says he and clinton would
be in dead heat.

nominating Clinton would have 2 possable outcomes 1:She hands white house to gop and 2:she wins In squaker

And don't kid yourself another president Clinton would sign much of what GOP congress passes.

Much of democratic party only cares about corporate money.more power to corporations,more war,and continued destrucon of social safety net is coming If Clinton Is nominee.her or republicans will do it.

Progressives have no place In Democratic party If Clinton is nominee.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
42. She may very well do. And that's a terrible, terrible outcome.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:24 AM
Apr 2016

She'll be doing nothing but fighting impeachment and toadying for Wall Street the entire term...

Karmadillo

(9,253 posts)
45. I've read most of Philip K Dick's novels, but I missed this particular exploration of
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:26 AM
Apr 2016

an alternative history.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
47. She might be the last gasp of neoliberalism
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:31 AM
Apr 2016

But she is actually the future of the Democrats. They are going home to a pro business stance. The party of FDR is dead.

That said, what you said about Rs you are correct. Only because that party is dying. There will be a progressive future, but not with either Republicans or Democrats. In the meantime it will be distressingly painful. 1824, read into what happened then

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
53. Yes, but it took a while after 1824
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:55 AM
Apr 2016

It is known as the era of one party rule...party realignments, they happen. This is the 6th one. I saw this and wrote about it over a decade ago on DU no less

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
54. Corporate control of the Democratic Party will be further strengthened with HRC as President.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:36 PM
Apr 2016

It will be HER Party Chair that controls the Party Establishment/Leadership.

She will be able to steer the Party to recruit and fund neo-liberal Democrats as candidates and to PURPOSEFULLY shun progressive candidates whenever possible.

We will have a much harder and longer road to travel to begin turning this country back around with HRC as President. Another decade lost where the wealth/income overwhelmingly flows to the financial elite while everyone else loses ground.

Sad, but true (in my opinion).

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
59. Highly unlikely.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:14 PM
Apr 2016

She doesn't have the support to win in the GE.

What people are not considering is the amount of Shenanigans the GOP has put into place to suppress the vote in key states. The ONLY way to get around it is MASSIVE voter turnout. Clinton will not inspire that turnout.

BreakfastClub

(765 posts)
62. Yes, it's highly likely she will win, but it's not foregone. Republicans have come back
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:17 PM
Apr 2016

from all kinds of setbacks before. As for her learning to be progressive, she doesn't need to do that. She is and always has been progressive. No, she is not a socialist, but she is a mainstream progressive democrat. She's no different than Obama in ideology.

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