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GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:40 AM Apr 2016

Democrats are Unifying Behind Our Candidate



Sen. Bernie Sanders has pulled to within three points of front-runner Hillary Clinton in the Democratic race for president, the smallest deficit yet in Morning Consult’s weekly tracking polls.

The new national poll shows the Vermont independent pulling in 43 percent of Democratic and Democratic-leaning independents’ support, compared to 46 percent for Clinton, whose support has dropped steadily in recent weeks.


http://fortune.com/2016/04/18/poll-sanders-pulls-closer-to-clinton-than-ever/
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Democrats are Unifying Behind Our Candidate (Original Post) GreatGazoo Apr 2016 OP
Sanders will not be the nominee, and he's not a Democrat. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #1
"Not a democrat' Funny, if he doesn't represent Democratic ideals, I guess I'm not a democrat Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #3
He still apcalc Apr 2016 #7
I'm with you on yhat Victor_c3 Apr 2016 #10
Ditto! dchill Apr 2016 #27
It is all Sanders upstate. GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #5
Sanders will win by 10% of the vote upstate. He'll lose by 25% in the city and 20% in suburbs geek tragedy Apr 2016 #6
you seem far more confident than your candidate GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #9
reality check: she's ahead in all the national polls and is going geek tragedy Apr 2016 #19
538 was completely wrong about many states so far, especially Michigan ("99% chance of win") GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #29
Enjoy tonight. I will nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #34
I have not seen a single Hilllary sign near me and I've seen a bunch of Bernie signs. Baobab Apr 2016 #14
"Clinton doesn't do a lot of yard signs and stickers." DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #21
From what i am hearing everwhere I suspect Sanders will win big today. Baobab Apr 2016 #48
He's more of a Democrat than Clinton's fans will ever be. Baobab Apr 2016 #11
He's as much or more of a Dem in his actions than most in office. nm floriduck Apr 2016 #28
Hillary will not and cannot be the candidate. Think alternatives. leveymg Apr 2016 #40
Ha artislife Apr 2016 #57
Agreed workinclasszero Apr 2016 #58
And that, ladies and gentlemen, completed this tragic depart from reality. eom Betty Karlson Apr 2016 #60
Yeah, she just wins.....LOL Trust Buster Apr 2016 #2
Parties choose their candidates. Not random people. Random people choose in the GE. onehandle Apr 2016 #4
Hillary is a new type of Democrat..... seekthetruth Apr 2016 #8
the Clintons are very polarizing GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #15
According to NBC polling her negatives are among the highest ever measured in a Presidential candid. Baobab Apr 2016 #26
Right on.... seekthetruth Apr 2016 #38
Those polls include independents which skew the results. DCBob Apr 2016 #12
Wrong, at least among the Democrats I know. Baobab Apr 2016 #18
Pro choice, pro gay rights leftynyc Apr 2016 #50
Pro-say whatever it takes to get elected is more like it. tabasco Apr 2016 #53
LOL - keep dreaming leftynyc Apr 2016 #59
Pro-gay rights since when? 2013? XemaSab Apr 2016 #62
Dem Only polls have it EVEN tighter -- 2 pts GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #24
That poll is for Dem primary voters which includes Independents. DCBob Apr 2016 #25
True! And to go over to Hillary will END THE REVOLUTION. It's just getting started. ViseGrip Apr 2016 #13
Bernie better start helping with the down tickets, because that's the only way this works. all american girl Apr 2016 #17
If he wins I am sure he will. Baobab Apr 2016 #23
Here's the problem, if he waits until June, it might be too late. all american girl Apr 2016 #31
Have they tried to make a name for themselves as a real progressive? Baobab Apr 2016 #42
Wow!!!! That went a bit over my head. all american girl Apr 2016 #44
When or lose, there are going to be a lot of new progressive Blue Meany Apr 2016 #33
He already is. His emails have links to donate to other real democrats. Didn't you get them? Vincardog Apr 2016 #32
Are they going to be for all the seats that are up? all american girl Apr 2016 #36
Send him y0ur concerns. Vincardog Apr 2016 #39
Mmmm, ok...nice talking with you all american girl Apr 2016 #43
Trumphumping bullshit. nt Codeine Apr 2016 #30
Actually, Democrats are about to lose another 12 percent of their voters. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #16
there's always some element of sore loserism. PUMAs, Naderites, whatever geek tragedy Apr 2016 #20
Adults like me know there's only one way to stop the ever-rightward shift of the Democrats. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #45
how'd 2000 work out for you people? nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #47
Mmmmm, why would anyone be happy about that, and where do you get that number? all american girl Apr 2016 #22
Hillary may be slightly more popular among Democrats. That means nothing in the GE. BillZBubb Apr 2016 #35
How has it been tilted toward her? all american girl Apr 2016 #41
Can I ask you a serious question? Fawke Em Apr 2016 #46
Agree. n/t Paper Roses Apr 2016 #51
Because I've been hearing the same shit for over 20 years, and nothing, and I mean nothing all american girl Apr 2016 #54
So you believe the FBI is "right wing crap." Fawke Em Apr 2016 #61
Good luck getting 100% of the 30% of voters who are Democrats to vote for her in the GE. frylock Apr 2016 #37
My rough estimate is this: Fawke Em Apr 2016 #49
Yes, the Repubs will eviscerate her. libdem4life Apr 2016 #56
GOT ANY INFO ON THE NEW YORK PRIMARY TODAY? brush Apr 2016 #52
There you go posting facts to people who choose to ignore them. K&R B Calm Apr 2016 #55
yes, and just when they had gotten over the Pope. GreatGazoo Apr 2016 #63
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
1. Sanders will not be the nominee, and he's not a Democrat.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:41 AM
Apr 2016

Clinton is going to win New York and Pennsylvania and Maryland and that will end his already narrow path to the nomination.



 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
3. "Not a democrat' Funny, if he doesn't represent Democratic ideals, I guess I'm not a democrat
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:42 AM
Apr 2016

either. Especially if the argument is that Hillary does.

Victor_c3

(3,557 posts)
10. I'm with you on yhat
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:57 AM
Apr 2016

I've been told on this forum that I'm not a democrat either. Apparently the democratic party is now the party of corporatist and warmongers. I thought the republicans were the party with those beliefs

So what party is the party opposed to those ideals (or lack thereof)?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
6. Sanders will win by 10% of the vote upstate. He'll lose by 25% in the city and 20% in suburbs
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:49 AM
Apr 2016

60-70% of the vote is from NYC metro.

Clinton doesn't do a lot of yard signs and stickers. Same reason they don't do rallies--not a cost effective way to get people to vote.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
29. 538 was completely wrong about many states so far, especially Michigan ("99% chance of win")
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:14 AM
Apr 2016

And Hillary Clinton is eroding now, the worst possible time for her but very similar to her pattern in 2008.

Mr. Sanders for the first time is close to tying Mrs. Clinton, as 48% of Democratic primary voters picked him as their first choice for president, while 50% picked her. In a poll last month, Mrs. Clinton was ahead by nine percentage points, enjoying a 53%-to-44% edge.




http://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clintons-lead-narrows-among-democratic-primary-voters-poll-says-1460995230



btw, Reality Check: You are not a psychic.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
14. I have not seen a single Hilllary sign near me and I've seen a bunch of Bernie signs.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:59 AM
Apr 2016

I am sure they must be somewhere. But don't you think people would be proud to trumpet their support if she was going to win?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
21. "Clinton doesn't do a lot of yard signs and stickers."
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:04 AM
Apr 2016

Given what happened to Phillip Bump that seems prudent.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
40. Hillary will not and cannot be the candidate. Think alternatives.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:27 AM
Apr 2016

Comey is going to conclude she violated her signed classified information nondisclosure agreement. In effect, that's the same as recommending she be indicted. Start thinking about who can best put Humphrey Dumpy back together again.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
4. Parties choose their candidates. Not random people. Random people choose in the GE.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:43 AM
Apr 2016

National polls are meaningless until late Summer.

 

seekthetruth

(504 posts)
8. Hillary is a new type of Democrat.....
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:53 AM
Apr 2016

.....who appeals to the type of people who love to rant about liberal ideals but drive huge SUVs, live in Mc-mansions, carry around SBUX cups while glued to their phones and jobs, and who don't critically think for themselves. At this point in the game, if people aren't angry at the very infrastructure of our politics, then they're just not that aware of reality.

Sadly, we don't have a media that's unbiased. Most Clinton supporters, I wager, probably only get their news from the cable networks and network TV.

Our society is fat, dumb, and happy, and to me, that's what Hillary represents.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
15. the Clintons are very polarizing
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:00 AM
Apr 2016

we see that in the net negative approvals.

I'm not a fan of demonizing supporters. The system is badly broken from the narrow range of choice (Ted Cruz's wife also works for Goldman Sachs) to the narrative-to-sell-you cable news outlets. My impression of Hillary supporters, the real ones, is that they see her as a safe choice, a known quantity.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
26. According to NBC polling her negatives are among the highest ever measured in a Presidential candid.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:12 AM
Apr 2016

Basically, more than 3/4 of those who don't have an unambiguously negative view of her would have to vote for her - for her to win the GE.

And as far as I can see, that has never happened.

So it would be incredibly stupid to nominate Hillary under these circumstances.

 

seekthetruth

(504 posts)
38. Right on....
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:20 AM
Apr 2016

.....my comments weren't intended to offend anyone. I was just referencing the total lack of unbiased reporting by the media, and how very difficult it is to gather substantial information about a particular campaign.

I agree that most supporters of Hillary find her to be the "safe" choice, but with the current state of our infrastructure, energy sources, and military expenditures, I find it hard to be sympathetic.

Honestly, why are so many Americans hesitant to challenge conventional thinking? Well, I know the answer from my own perspective, but I'd like to hear from others. From my perspective, we've become lazy as a society. I have, too. I just think that unless we all "wake up" and remove the veil of naiveté in trusting someone just because they have a "D" beside their name, that they have our (society as a collective) interests at heart, we'll sink further.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
12. Those polls include independents which skew the results.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:58 AM
Apr 2016

If Democrats only then Hillary swamps Bernie.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
18. Wrong, at least among the Democrats I know.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:02 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary is associated with the right wing now.

With neocons and drone bombings. With coups in Latin American countries and torture memos.

Sorry.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
50. Pro choice, pro gay rights
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:49 AM
Apr 2016

Pro union - right wing? On what planet? And with the Democrats I know, nobody is voting for Bernie. They think he's too old and not ready for prime time.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
53. Pro-say whatever it takes to get elected is more like it.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:09 PM
Apr 2016

Then "no we can't" after she gets elected.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
59. LOL - keep dreaming
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:52 PM
Apr 2016

That a woman who has fought for many liberal issues for decades is going to get into office and put a scalia on the bench. The delusion is all you have apparently.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
24. Dem Only polls have it EVEN tighter -- 2 pts
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:06 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary is eroding among Dem-only polls also. Doesn't bode well for the GE.

Sen. Bernie Sanders has all but eliminated Hillary Clinton’s polling lead among Democratic voters nationwide, a new Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll has found, offering signs that she continues to struggle with the primary electorate at a time when she wanted to build strength for the general election.

Mr. Sanders for the first time is close to tying Mrs. Clinton, as 48% of Democratic primary voters picked him as their first choice for president, while 50% picked her. In a poll last month, Mrs. Clinton was ahead by nine percentage points, enjoying a 53%-to-44% edge.




http://www.wsj.com/articles/hillary-clintons-lead-narrows-among-democratic-primary-voters-poll-says-1460995230

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
25. That poll is for Dem primary voters which includes Independents.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:12 AM
Apr 2016

There are very few polls that split out Dems from Indies.. but the ones I have seen show Hillary far ahead with just Dems and Bernie far ahead with just Indies. I think that is a well known undisputed situation from the beginning of this primary process.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
13. True! And to go over to Hillary will END THE REVOLUTION. It's just getting started.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:58 AM
Apr 2016

WE MUST change congress and the senate. If it's business as usual, after this race, it's O V E R.

I hope younger voters understand this. We cannot allow the revolution to end with this primary.

Imagine,,,,,putting a batshit crazy person in office. Congress will have to work harder, pay more attention! They....will be miserable for the first time! This...is exactly what is needed.

SHOW CONGRESS....WE CAN MAKE THEM HEEL! IF IT'S NOT BERNIE, LOOK OUT. THEY WILL GET THEIR MEDICINE! VIVA REVOLUTION!

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
23. If he wins I am sure he will.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:06 AM
Apr 2016

It likely will work great for progressive candidates.

Bernie definitely will spark a lot of turnout that would never show up for Hillary. Hillary if anything would have the opposite effect, she likely would result in a GOP sweep.

I think Bernie is the only wise choice.

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
31. Here's the problem, if he waits until June, it might be too late.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:17 AM
Apr 2016

People who want to run need money. They need to set up staff, offices, flyers...get their message out. That costs money. They aren't Bernie with the nation looking at them, able to ask for donations...they are in some small place in Iowa, or where every. This has to start now. People will not vote for someone if they have no idea who the are, even with a D after their name.

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
42. Have they tried to make a name for themselves as a real progressive?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:28 AM
Apr 2016

if local party establishments have gone out of their way to identify themselves with Hillary and Obama- though, rather than with issues.

let me give you one example, Obamacare. If i was a candidate, i would be running on the fact that Obamacare is stuck with extemely difficult and unworkable (non)choices because of ideology that almost no democrats are even aware of, something called "competition policy" - and that ideology is locked in place by international deals that the US public has never been told about. (Which were signed by Bill Clinton, BTW) BAD international deals that commit us to things like trading a LOT of public, quasi public and procurement-related jobs away (to low-bidding, likely to be foreign firms) for market access to foreign countries that may never materialize because of automation.

Thats a problem. I could not support Obamacare because its intended to hide some important things and ignoring them will end up trapping us in this bad policy forever. To understand how bad it is, one has to look at things like the Achmea v. Slovakia case in front of an international arbitral body.

Things most Americans have never heard about- and that is not an accident.

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
44. Wow!!!! That went a bit over my head.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:35 AM
Apr 2016

You are smart...and I really mean that

Well, here's the deal...not all places are really progressive, but are center left and everything in between. Yes, I would love for everyone to be very progressive, but it's not going to happen everywhere, so having that as your only meter, my cause some folks not having a chance to get elected, and a republican will. Remember, we are a big tent and at times it is like herding cats...frustrating, but can be good. I've lived in many, many different states, and dems are not always the same.

 

Blue Meany

(1,947 posts)
33. When or lose, there are going to be a lot of new progressive
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:18 AM
Apr 2016

Democratic candidates for Congress in the mid-terms and they will be able to follow Bernie's populist model to victory.

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
36. Are they going to be for all the seats that are up?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:20 AM
Apr 2016

Because that seems like a lot. I'm just thinking this has to be more that email dumps. He has a voice, and he can't be only thinking of himself. He has to take an interest in it, even if he is busy. That's how this works.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
16. Actually, Democrats are about to lose another 12 percent of their voters.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:01 AM
Apr 2016

I'm sure you're happy about that.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
20. there's always some element of sore loserism. PUMAs, Naderites, whatever
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:04 AM
Apr 2016

always some group of children that goes off and pouts

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
45. Adults like me know there's only one way to stop the ever-rightward shift of the Democrats.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:38 AM
Apr 2016

Children think they can bad-mouth their opponents' supporters and they'll vote for them in the fall. Children think they can bad mouth the largest voting block, Independents, and they'll support their corporate-owned war hawk of a candidate.

It doesn't work that way anymore.

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
22. Mmmmm, why would anyone be happy about that, and where do you get that number?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:05 AM
Apr 2016

If less people are voting for Bernie, would that not mean that Hillary is more popular? I'm always confused by these statements. It's like blaming Hillary supporters for Bernie losing. Get people out to vote for Bernie...he wins...problem solved. I think everyone needs to quit getting mad at Hillary supporters and get Bernie supporters out voting. Just my 2 cents.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
35. Hillary may be slightly more popular among Democrats. That means nothing in the GE.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:19 AM
Apr 2016

Independents will decide who is the next president. She does not do well with Independents. Bernie does.

As for getting out Bernie voters, there is a consensus among Sanders' supporters that the whole primary process was tilted to favor Clinton.

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
41. How has it been tilted toward her?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:28 AM
Apr 2016

These things are decided along time ago. As far as the GE, he still has to win the primary to make the GE. I'm just tired of hearing this, as if Hillary supporters are suppose to do something about it. They voted or are voting for their candidate, as they should. You are for Bernie, and that's great, but I feel like we are being blamed because Bernie isn't winning. I already voted, so there is nothing I can do, but instead of getting angry at Hillary voters, try to change minds to Bernie. All this Bernie or Bust stuff isn't going to change minds....and I'm not saying you are one, but there are a lot here.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
46. Can I ask you a serious question?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:42 AM
Apr 2016

Hyperbole aside...

How can you vote for someone who's under an FBI investigation? Is it that you believe this is more right-wing blather and won't amount to anything, even though the FBI is a non-partisan, independent investigation unit? Aren't you the least bit concerned that she'll get the nomination and then either be indicted or the FBI will recommend indictment, the Obama DoJ will refuse, which will create a hailstorm of "cover-up" stories?

I'm not trying to be mean, honestly. It's just that when I look to vote for someone, picking a candidate under a criminal investigation is a HUGE negative to me.

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
54. Because I've been hearing the same shit for over 20 years, and nothing, and I mean nothing
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:27 PM
Apr 2016

has ever come from anything...so I'm not ready to believe right wing crap...

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
61. So you believe the FBI is "right wing crap."
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:53 PM
Apr 2016

I guess that's where I draw the line. I'll agree with you on Benghazi and Travelgate and whatever, but I happen to work in cyber security and know how serious it is to mishandle national security data. I also know the FBI is a non-partisan investigative unit because I used to be a crime reporter for a newspaper 13 years ago. Yes, Comey is a Republican, but his boss is Obama. Seems this investigation is pretty non-partisan, at this point.

I guess I'd never take the risk my nominee might either be indicted or, in the best case scenario, have this cloud over his/her head.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
49. My rough estimate is this:
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:47 AM
Apr 2016

She'll get about 70-80 percent of the 30 percent of Democratic voters. She'll start out with less, but the relentless screaming from her campaign that the only thing we should worry about is choice (even though the SCOTUS choice currently up is center-right and won't protect us from oligarchy), will bring it up to that number by the general election.

Then she'll get about 20-25 percent of the 43 percent of Independents. Mostly moderates. Left and progressive Democrats and Independents will either be demoralized and won't vote or will vote for a third party.

However, on the other side of the aisle, Satan himself could be the nominee and the GOP faithful will flock to the voting booth just for an opportunity to vote against another Clinton. They will not be demoralized in the least.

And, she'll lose.

It's easy to figure this out because progressives are motivated by a strong candidate who represents their values, while conservatives are motivated by how much they can hate the other side.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
56. Yes, the Repubs will eviscerate her.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:42 PM
Apr 2016

The Dems vetted her with flowers and a kiss and a "go get 'em."

Every old and new silly thing she does is kind of like Grandma at Thanksgiving. That's just the way she is...please pass the gravy.

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