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bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:45 AM Apr 2016

Hillary is Going Broke and the DNC Can’t Help Anymore

It was supposed to be easy. A mere formality of a primary campaign and then the nomination of Hillary Clinton as the Democratic candidate for President. The charade would last until March and then Clinton would pivot to the general election. But something unexpected happened. The fringe candidate Bernie Sanders caught fire and now Hillary is going broke.

Major media outlets reported in February that the majority of her donors had already reached their maximum campaign contribution. Which wouldn’t have been an issue had things gone as planned. The problem was Sanders was still in the race and on pace to raise 40 million+ for the month. Clinton desperately needed to close Sanders out in March. However, she failed to do so.

Sanders opened March with an upset in Michigan and finished with a rout of the Northwest and Hawaii. To make matters worse for the cash strapped Clinton, he raised another daunting 40 million in campaign funds. With her core donors nearly tapped out, Clinton was facing two months in a campaign running solely on Super Pac money. Super Pacs can act in favor of, but can’t make direct contributions to a campaign.

Like Mike Tyson described Muhammad Ali’s ability to dominate late rounds of championship boxing. Sanders is taking Clinton to deep waters and drowning her.
https://politicalreads.wordpress.com/2016/04/19/hillary-is-going-broke-and-the-dnc-cant-help-anymore/
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Hillary is Going Broke and the DNC Can’t Help Anymore (Original Post) bluedigger Apr 2016 OP
Yeah, she just wins. Like today for instance.....LOL Trust Buster Apr 2016 #1
laws are for the little people right? questionseverything Apr 2016 #56
Poor Hillary. Dead broke again. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #2
I feel I must pitch in! yourpaljoey Apr 2016 #5
Yeah, the Clintons were "dead broke" when they left the White House, according to Hillary tabasco Apr 2016 #44
OMG Hilarious ! JanetLovesObama Apr 2016 #3
Her solution: break a few campaign finance laws... No worries. berni_mccoy Apr 2016 #4
She didn't , apcalc Apr 2016 #54
I'm happy to let the courts decide... berni_mccoy Apr 2016 #59
sad trombone. nashville_brook Apr 2016 #6
LOL FlatBaroque Apr 2016 #23
Gee. Life isn't fair. Octafish Apr 2016 #7
Bernie Sanders can't buy the nomination, the voters are rejecting him nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #8
At least you admit that Clinton is buying it. Goblinmonger Apr 2016 #14
No, she's getting outspent. Democrats just prefer an actual Democrat geek tragedy Apr 2016 #17
So by "actual Democrat" you mean centrist and not progressive? Goblinmonger Apr 2016 #18
He used the party for media attention and access to resources. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #19
So you can buy yourself into the party. That's what you're saying. Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #24
By "actual Democrat" I mean someone who's been a registered Democrat for more than 1 election cycle MrMickeysMom Apr 2016 #29
"willingness to put her ego aside for the good of the party" tex-wyo-dem Apr 2016 #35
Purity over principle. Got it. Goblinmonger Apr 2016 #40
Independents are free to make a rational choice in the fall geek tragedy Apr 2016 #41
I don't understand the mentality Goblinmonger Apr 2016 #45
which is it, are they independents or are they Democrats? geek tragedy Apr 2016 #47
I believe they are both. Goblinmonger Apr 2016 #51
when's the last time an authentic progressive won the white house? geek tragedy Apr 2016 #53
Party realignment. nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #25
I hope so. Goblinmonger Apr 2016 #46
Sort of ironic that the "money buys election" candidate is raising and spending more, but losing. IamMab Apr 2016 #9
Not to worry, the dough will flow after her Bernie K.O. oasis Apr 2016 #10
In it until June. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #15
I could care less about Bernie hanging on. Hillary's campaign oasis Apr 2016 #30
She doesn't have the draw that Bernie has.She won't be able to get any more money unless her rich Joe the Revelator Apr 2016 #26
Hill won't need a truckload of cash to battle Bernie. He's through. oasis Apr 2016 #34
This i going to come back and sink the DNC awake Apr 2016 #11
broke and panicked; i get unsolicted and unwanted emails from the campaign; she's not going to get amborin Apr 2016 #12
She has big money pacs, the corp media, and can give her campaign money. Bill can fly around the Skwmom Apr 2016 #13
Ms. Moneybags ran out of money, did she? Waiting For Everyman Apr 2016 #16
Well if she's Miss Moneybags what's stopping her from self-funding? brush Apr 2016 #32
I hope she does put her ill-gotten millions in it Waiting For Everyman Apr 2016 #37
"A dream is a wish your heart makes." DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #50
"Hello, Lloyd? Hillary here. Listen, I need to give a few more speeches..." Buns_of_Fire Apr 2016 #20
LOL Art_from_Ark Apr 2016 #60
Um... do you know that your source is just some guy's pro-Bernie blog? procon Apr 2016 #21
The LA times has run a couple stories nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #27
Stop confusing them - Hillary is the BEST! She told them so! IdaBriggs Apr 2016 #36
And that means it IS factual and quantifiable? Okay. randome Apr 2016 #49
If you believe the reporters didn't do due diligence nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #52
It's the deplorable state of today's raconteur style of journalism. nt procon Apr 2016 #63
On a story like that you got several layers nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #65
Absolutely, but that applied only to the existing big money donors, procon Apr 2016 #57
Thank you for that rambling stream of consciousness. bluedigger Apr 2016 #58
Of course it is your decision. procon Apr 2016 #64
It is quite plain: she spends more time raising money than jwirr Apr 2016 #70
And Bernie just got $54 more from this proud supporter. nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #22
not competing or anything Merryland Apr 2016 #31
You too, Merryland! ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #33
perhaps she could dig into her own pockets for a change? n/t Merryland Apr 2016 #28
Yeah, don't candidates often loan money to their own campaigns? nt Buns_of_Fire Apr 2016 #39
This is so funny to me. oldandhappy Apr 2016 #38
Her likability numbers are too low to get any meaningful amount of money from the little people. NCjack Apr 2016 #42
Doesn't that just prove that the people are stronger than the corporations? pdsimdars Apr 2016 #43
Sanders should offer her $250K per Wall St. Speech. beedle Apr 2016 #48
Time To Schedule More Wall Street Speeches cantbeserious Apr 2016 #55
She didn't expect Bernie would be so successful. apnu Apr 2016 #61
the people giving to Bernie ibegurpard Apr 2016 #62
Time to tap into offshore accounts felix_numinous Apr 2016 #66
Soon she will be singing, Utopian Leftist Apr 2016 #67
Actually they are helping her circumvent campaign finance limits jfern Apr 2016 #68
And that my friends is why they have resorted to a deal jwirr Apr 2016 #69

questionseverything

(9,656 posts)
56. laws are for the little people right?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:22 PM
Apr 2016

In a letter to the DNC, the Sanders campaign describes how Clinton may be commingling funds between her joint fundraising committee with the DNC’s Hillary Victory Fund (HVF) and her campaign fund Hillary For America (HFA) by having HVA subsidize and even make “impermissible in-kind” contributions to HFA directly.

The letter points out that $15 million was used from the HVF for direct mail and online solicitations solely for Clinton, meaning the small donor return would only benefit one campaign and not be disbursed amongst the committee. The letter further states that the HVF is paying Clinton campaign staffers on an over reimbursement basis, allowing the committee to inject large sums of money into her campaign at any given time.

A recent filing with Federal Elections Committee cited that over 9 million dollars was given to HFA by HVF while less than 2 million was disbursed to the other committee members.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
44. Yeah, the Clintons were "dead broke" when they left the White House, according to Hillary
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:59 AM
Apr 2016


I'm glad things worked out for them and they are able to afford groceries now.
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
17. No, she's getting outspent. Democrats just prefer an actual Democrat
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:01 AM
Apr 2016

rather than a guy who hates the party and doesn't want to see it succeed.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
18. So by "actual Democrat" you mean centrist and not progressive?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:09 AM
Apr 2016

FDR might disagree with you.

If centrist is what Democrat has become, then we are fucked as a country.

Did this all start when Dukakis ran away from the "liberal" label like it was the plague? Why are progressive ideals now a bad thing?

And if he hated the party and didn't want it to succeed, he would have run as an Independent. Is that really what you want?

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
19. He used the party for media attention and access to resources.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:13 AM
Apr 2016

By "actual Democrat" I mean someone who has been a registered Democrat for more than one election cycle, and who has raised funds for down ticket Democrats and the Democratic party, and who has shown a willingness to put her ego aside for the good of the party (endorsing Obama in 2008 after a long and bitter primary campaign).

Not some third party saboteur who baselessly accuses the party of breaking federal law and sues it, and then sends fundraising emails out to trash the party that is hosting him.

We're going to reject him hard tonight.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
24. So you can buy yourself into the party. That's what you're saying.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:20 AM
Apr 2016

Maybe you should sit the next few plays out...

MrMickeysMom

(20,453 posts)
29. By "actual Democrat" I mean someone who's been a registered Democrat for more than 1 election cycle
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:22 AM
Apr 2016

Good ... You've finally exposed yourself...

and who has raised funds for down ticket Democrats and the Democratic party, and who has shown a willingness to put her ego aside for the good of the party (endorsing Obama in 2008 after a long and bitter primary campaign).



These are people who have whole heartedly embraced the oligarchy.

Congratulations... The truth shall reveal itself.

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
35. "willingness to put her ego aside for the good of the party"
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:30 AM
Apr 2016


Keep living in your dream world, geek. It'll be ok, Sanders will make a great Democratic president.
 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
40. Purity over principle. Got it.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:46 AM
Apr 2016

Hope that works out in the GE.

I assume I won't see you complaining about independents that would have voted for Sanders not voting for Clinton, because, you know, you want this all done with "actual Democrats."

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
41. Independents are free to make a rational choice in the fall
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:50 AM
Apr 2016

about which party and candidate will better serve the nation in office.

If someone thinks Donald Trump is better than Hillary Clinton, then no I don't want that person to help choose our party leadership.


By the way, plenty of moderate voters would vote for Clinton but not Sanders.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
45. I don't understand the mentality
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:03 PM
Apr 2016

You think you get to just piss all over these people in the primaries and talk about how they just want free stuff and aren't real Democrats and aren't reliable voters and are just sexist Bernie Bros and then just expect them to forget all of that in the fall. You know that the likelihood isn't that they won't vote for the Republican but just won't vote because they have been so turned off by their reception. And probably won't become Democrats down the road, either, because it is being made clear that this isn't the party for progressives.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
47. which is it, are they independents or are they Democrats?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:05 PM
Apr 2016

Independents are usually more than happy to tell anyone who will listen that they are not Democrats.

Sanders supporters would have a lot more cred on their cries of having to take it had they not dished it out with such zeal about how everyone who didn't vote for Sanders was a corrupt neocon neoliberal low information establishment drone.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
51. I believe they are both.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:10 PM
Apr 2016

I have been a progressive Democrat for over 30 years. I'm sick and tired of having to hold my nose and vote for the lesser of two evils. I'll be 50 when I vote this time around. If Clinton gets the nomination, I don't know how many more times I can do that. It would be nice if the party actually represented me. The only time I've feel really good about it was when I got to vote for Feingold. I will get to do that again this fall, so that will be enjoyable.

Both of my kids are millennials. Both are strikingly progressive. Neither one knows if they can vote for Clinton because they dislike her so much.

And pardon those of us that are upset that our party has been co-opted by centrists. I'm a progressive and would like our party to go back to that. YMMV.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
53. when's the last time an authentic progressive won the white house?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:11 PM
Apr 2016

Obama
Bush
Clinton
Bush
Reagan
Carter
Nixon
LBJ
Kennedy
Eisenhower
Truman
FDR

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
25. Party realignment.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:20 AM
Apr 2016

It started earlier but that was the first obvious symptom

The DLC was the obvious manifestation. The hard truth is that neoliberalism is not compatible with things like Climate change so it has already peaked. There are also revolts already starting. If we survive as a species, the war in Iraq and the Arab Spring, as well as Occupy will be seen as the beginning of that.

Oh I do not expect hyper partisans to understand why either

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
46. I hope so.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:05 PM
Apr 2016

I think a lot of young voters that are progressives are going to be turned off to the Democratic party if Clinton gets the nomination. Hopefully that fuels something.

 

IamMab

(1,359 posts)
9. Sort of ironic that the "money buys election" candidate is raising and spending more, but losing.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:52 AM
Apr 2016

Also, hilarious.

oasis

(49,389 posts)
30. I could care less about Bernie hanging on. Hillary's campaign
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:22 AM
Apr 2016

contributions will greatly increase after he's neatly put away in tonight's NY contest. Since the OP was concerned about Hillary's cash flow, I thought I could give him some reassurance.

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
26. She doesn't have the draw that Bernie has.She won't be able to get any more money unless her rich
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:21 AM
Apr 2016

friends find away around campaign finance law.

Maybe she can still agree to take matching funds...

oasis

(49,389 posts)
34. Hill won't need a truckload of cash to battle Bernie. He's through.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:29 AM
Apr 2016

So now she can lay chilly and prepare for the GE.

awake

(3,226 posts)
11. This i going to come back and sink the DNC
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:56 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary's is not the only one that may be in trouble the DNC could be bought in by conspiring go outside of the law to get money into Hillary's campaign.

amborin

(16,631 posts)
12. broke and panicked; i get unsolicted and unwanted emails from the campaign; she's not going to get
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:57 AM
Apr 2016

the nomination and she will NEVER be president

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
13. She has big money pacs, the corp media, and can give her campaign money. Bill can fly around the
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:57 AM
Apr 2016

world and recoup that in no time.

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
16. Ms. Moneybags ran out of money, did she?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:00 AM
Apr 2016

I guess this means Sanders supporters are beating her at her own game!

She never saw that coming! Poetic justice.

brush

(53,784 posts)
32. Well if she's Miss Moneybags what's stopping her from self-funding?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:25 AM
Apr 2016

What is it, you can have it both ways?

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
37. I hope she does put her ill-gotten millions in it
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:30 AM
Apr 2016

and loses.

I'll bet she won't put much of her own money in though. And that should tell us something about what she thinks of her own chances. She knows she's in deep shit with the FBI.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,181 posts)
20. "Hello, Lloyd? Hillary here. Listen, I need to give a few more speeches..."
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:13 AM
Apr 2016

"Jeez, Hill, again? Okay, okay, I'll set it up. But could you choose a different subject than 'My Favorite Recipes' this time? Four of my most productive employees came down with food poisoning after that one. They really liked your 'Household Hints: How to Instruct Your Chief of Staff on Proper Discipline of the Servants', though. Maybe something along those lines?..."

procon

(15,805 posts)
21. Um... do you know that your source is just some guy's pro-Bernie blog?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:15 AM
Apr 2016

There are no factual sources cited, no quantifiable data, no original news story referenced, it's just a blogger's rambling stream of consciousness.

If you were aware that this was nothing more than an anonymous personal rant then you've naively wasted everyone's time just to promote some badly written partisan puffery and all your posts should be suspect. Worse, if you weren't able to distinguish between the opinion of an unknown blogger and a legitimate news story, or at least the biased and well written commentary from the professional punditry class, then your posts are a total waste of time outside the one group.

 

IdaBriggs

(10,559 posts)
36. Stop confusing them - Hillary is the BEST! She told them so!
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:30 AM
Apr 2016

Anything that disagrees with that is obviously part of the Giant Right Wing Conspiracy (tm) and must be ignored!

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
49. And that means it IS factual and quantifiable? Okay.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:06 PM
Apr 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"
[/center][/font][hr]

procon

(15,805 posts)
57. Absolutely, but that applied only to the existing big money donors,
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:28 PM
Apr 2016

not small donors, new donors, or the big money bundlers, or the outside groups working on her behalf. Bernie beat Clinton in recent fundraising, and that's what prompted this blogger to claim that "Hillary is going broke", and calling her "cash strapped Clinton", even though Open Secrets has Hillary raising a total of $159,903,968, and Bernie $139,810,841.

Additionally, not all the money that Clinton raises is flowing into her campaign coffers, but going to other democrats down ballot, and as yet, Bernie isn't too keen on helping other democratic candidates. George Clooney's recent fundraiser collected as much as $353,000 per couple, but only the first $2,700 went to Clinton, the next $33,400 to the DNC and the rest to state parties. He talked about this in an interview with Chuck Todd that aired April 17 on "Meet the Press":

"The overwhelming amount of money that we're raising, and it is a lot, but the overwhelming amount of the money that we're raising is not going to Hillary to run for president, it's going to the down-ticket."

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2016/apr/17/george-clooney/george-clooney-decries-big-money-politics-says-mos/



bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
58. Thank you for that rambling stream of consciousness.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:36 PM
Apr 2016

Had I made any claims as to the source you would have had a point, I suppose. I'll be the best judge of how I spend my time here.

procon

(15,805 posts)
64. Of course it is your decision.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:38 PM
Apr 2016

When you choose to link to a blog post with no factual citation, you've already made the point that you're more interested to tossing out these little firecrackers as chum. No doubt, it's one way to spend your time here, although it seems to be an oddly self limiting undertaking with a short shelf life.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
70. It is quite plain: she spends more time raising money than
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:46 PM
Apr 2016

campaigning.

And as to down ticket money - read How Hillary Clinton Bought the Loyalty of 33 State Democratic Parties and see how much money they get back out of the deal in the end. Very little.

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
38. This is so funny to me.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:32 AM
Apr 2016

She has spent years preparing for the race. Money and manipulation have been top considerations. She is loaded but has money she cannot spend evidently. And her focus on only top top givers who are topped out at this point means she has not asked little people for support. Maybe she needs to ask! If she stands up and goes public, I am sure many people will support her. Not me, but I am aware of her amazing support in the general public. Future candidates take note! You need to build a relationship with the little guys!

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
42. Her likability numbers are too low to get any meaningful amount of money from the little people.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:51 AM
Apr 2016

Maybe George Clooney can shake down some more friends of his.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
43. Doesn't that just prove that the people are stronger than the corporations?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:58 AM
Apr 2016

And if you put your trust in the people, you can't lose (to paraphrase Lincoln)

Hillary put her trust in money, in mammon. Don't say they didn't warn you.

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
48. Sanders should offer her $250K per Wall St. Speech.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 12:06 PM
Apr 2016

It would have to be charity since there's really nothing important in them .. right?

apnu

(8,758 posts)
61. She didn't expect Bernie would be so successful.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:08 PM
Apr 2016

And Bernie is sucking up a lot of dollars, closing off many funding avenues that would be open to Hillary were he not doing as well as he is. Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition, and, apparently, nobody expects Bernie Sanders either.

Utopian Leftist

(534 posts)
67. Soon she will be singing,
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:27 PM
Apr 2016

"Brother, Can You Spare 200K?"

What I can't understand is why the main$tream, Corporate Propaganda Machine, American Pravda doesn't just let Hill run all of her commercials FOR FREE! Seriously, they might as well. It's not as if they hold any pretense towards a lack of bias towards her. The Powers That Be desperately prefer her to Bernie, this is clear to anyone with eyes to see or ears to hear.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
69. And that my friends is why they have resorted to a deal
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:41 PM
Apr 2016

with the 33 state democratic parties - so that they can by-pass the $2,700 limit.

Hillary has had a huge advantage in the race for money - she has all kinds of corporate donors as well as superPac money to run her campaign. And she is close to broke? I don't think she is very efficient when it comes to working on a budget. How is she going to do with our national budget?

On the other hand so far Bernie has a lot less resources and is running an excellent campaign with the money he has.

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