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floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:32 PM Apr 2016

Howard Dean: ['I'm getting all these messages and tweets'] It's not helpful

First off, they are NOT from Bernie, which he also said.
Second, why repeat this attack on MSM? Why drive the wedge further?

So ya, Howard, it is not helpful to the party that you continue to remark on 'attacks' towards you from Bernie supporters.

Who is getting personal here?

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Howard Dean: ['I'm getting all these messages and tweets'] It's not helpful (Original Post) floppyboo Apr 2016 OP
Howard Dean has become a sad sad little man... berni_mccoy Apr 2016 #1
He wants so badly to be liked by the Establishment. After Obama snubbed him, he hasn't been rhett o rick Apr 2016 #32
Poor Howie. He coulda' been a contender. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #2
He coulda' had class. Octafish Apr 2016 #26
Perhaps people should stop attacking him, and trying to coerce his vote. n/t Lucinda Apr 2016 #3
Must disagree. It is important to let your representatives know how you feel. That is democracy floppyboo Apr 2016 #5
What elected office does he currently hold? LonePirate Apr 2016 #16
Elected? None .. that's the point, an unelected superdelegate beedle Apr 2016 #23
Of course it's coercion. He is entitled to his vote and he is being harassed to change it. Lucinda Apr 2016 #19
Then you flunked English. Coercion is literally threatening physical violence closeupready Apr 2016 #24
Not necessarily - it depends on the source of your definition: jonno99 Apr 2016 #29
In both your examples, that is PERSUASION, not COERCION. closeupready Apr 2016 #37
You made the claim that: jonno99 Apr 2016 #38
He wants Hillary to like him. rhett o rick Apr 2016 #33
The attacks aren't the problem, talking about the attacks is... SidDithers Apr 2016 #4
Yes Sid. His talking about the attacks as if they are unfair is a problem. nt floppyboo Apr 2016 #7
These folks are hilarious. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #9
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2016 #15
99% of the time, Sid posts snark. THIS time, though, it's an honest question. closeupready Apr 2016 #20
That's what happens when you piss off over 85% of your constituency. (nt) w4rma Apr 2016 #6
Here ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #30
So attacking him ... Good .... him saying its not helpful ... Bad. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #8
Are they attacks, or real concerns? Why is he calling them attacks? floppyboo Apr 2016 #12
I could care less what a lobbyist has to say about anything. Punkingal Apr 2016 #10
Hopefuly after this election lobbyists will loose some if not most of their control of the good floppyboo Apr 2016 #14
This!^^^^^^10000! 2banon Apr 2016 #21
+1 uponit7771 Apr 2016 #11
GET UNDER THE BUS HOWARD DEAN! Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #13
Well just another substance free attack post Dem2 Apr 2016 #17
Exactly! He should have some friends to talk about this to. Gossip is generally bad. floppyboo Apr 2016 #22
Yes, continuing this argument in a substance free way Dem2 Apr 2016 #27
Sellout. closeupready Apr 2016 #18
PSA to Hillary & her surrogates. Quit your WHINING it makes you look weak. Not to mention jillan Apr 2016 #25
^^^BOOM^^^ floppyboo Apr 2016 #31
Poor Howard! stillwaiting Apr 2016 #28
Remember in Jr High, the kid that hid behind the biggest bully and stuck out his tongue? rhett o rick Apr 2016 #34
It depresses me no end. I donated the max to his campaign. I regret it. ScreamingMeemie Apr 2016 #41
Well howard, citizens don't represent anyone. I'll do what I think is right for the country. n/t lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #35
Howard Dean is a Lobbyist Bjornsdotter Apr 2016 #36
Howard is beginning to feel what more and more Democrats are feeling...they don't like what Bernie Jitter65 Apr 2016 #39
Welcome to Political Science 101, GeorgeGist Apr 2016 #40
Bernie supporters? Howard there are a lot of former Dean jwirr Apr 2016 #42
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
32. He wants so badly to be liked by the Establishment. After Obama snubbed him, he hasn't been
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:18 PM
Apr 2016

the same.

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
5. Must disagree. It is important to let your representatives know how you feel. That is democracy
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:35 PM
Apr 2016

It is hardly coercion.

LonePirate

(13,424 posts)
16. What elected office does he currently hold?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:47 PM
Apr 2016

He represents nobody but himself nowadays. He is not beholden to any voters. That's not the problem with this particular SD, though.

However, he is a great example of what is wrong with the superdelegate system. His vote counts significantly more - 1000s of times more - than the average voter.

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
23. Elected? None .. that's the point, an unelected superdelegate
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:51 PM
Apr 2016

At the very least the Democratic Party should remove the word "Democratic" from its title.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
19. Of course it's coercion. He is entitled to his vote and he is being harassed to change it.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:49 PM
Apr 2016

Our party, our rules.
Don't like it, work to change it, or move on, but in this election, his vote is his own, and he owes no one an explanation.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
24. Then you flunked English. Coercion is literally threatening physical violence
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:52 PM
Apr 2016

in response to anything but the approved course of action.

jonno99

(2,620 posts)
29. Not necessarily - it depends on the source of your definition:
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:03 PM
Apr 2016

coerce:

2 : to compel to an act or choice <was coerced into agreeing>

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coerce

One might feel "compelled" upon hearing a convincing argument: I felt compelled to change my vote.

Or - I felt compelled because they guilt-tripped me...

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
37. In both your examples, that is PERSUASION, not COERCION.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:40 PM
Apr 2016

Words matter, and the two things have different meanings.

jonno99

(2,620 posts)
38. You made the claim that:
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:51 PM
Apr 2016
Coercion is literally threatening physical violence

The definition I provided seems to indicate that what you stated - as fact - is not necessarily true:

2 : to compel to an act or choice <was coerced into agreeing>
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/coerce

Where is the violence?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
30. Here ...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:04 PM
Apr 2016
That's what happens when you piss off over 85% of your DU's constituency. (nt)

Fixed that for you.

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
12. Are they attacks, or real concerns? Why is he calling them attacks?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:40 PM
Apr 2016

It's a reality. People don't want him being a mouthpiece or SD and feel the need to voice their concerns. He's being a bit of a baby. If you can't stand the heat...

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
14. Hopefuly after this election lobbyists will loose some if not most of their control of the good
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:43 PM
Apr 2016

of the people.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
17. Well just another substance free attack post
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:47 PM
Apr 2016

I haven't the slightest idea what this stupidity is about

floppyboo

(2,461 posts)
22. Exactly! He should have some friends to talk about this to. Gossip is generally bad.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:51 PM
Apr 2016

When your feelings are hurt, making that public is going to elicit all sorts of shite from both sides. But, objectively, there is nothing here to talk about, yet he continues. So sad.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
25. PSA to Hillary & her surrogates. Quit your WHINING it makes you look weak. Not to mention
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:53 PM
Apr 2016

if you cannot handle the supporters of a candidate that agrees with your candidate on 90% of the issues....

how the hell are you going to deal with Trump supporters who actually follow up on their demands & agree with you on NOTHING??

It makes you look weak & incompetent!!

And if you follow it up with "Well Bernieeee and his supporters are hurting Hillary, they need to stop it" and you don't think someone from the Trump campaign is reading your tweets and op-eds, hahaha. I have a bridge to sell you.

Grow a spine ffs!!

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
34. Remember in Jr High, the kid that hid behind the biggest bully and stuck out his tongue?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:23 PM
Apr 2016

That's Howard. He want's the big bully establishment to like him. Asshat.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
41. It depresses me no end. I donated the max to his campaign. I regret it.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:03 PM
Apr 2016

And I won't spend a dime on his ownership. For he is well and truly owned.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
35. Well howard, citizens don't represent anyone. I'll do what I think is right for the country. n/t
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:35 PM
Apr 2016
Super delegates don't "represent people" I'm not elected by anyone. I'll do what I think is right for the country - Howard Dean

Bjornsdotter

(6,123 posts)
36. Howard Dean is a Lobbyist
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:36 PM
Apr 2016

He is now being contacted by by people using the art of lobbying.

Lobbying (also lobby) is the act of attempting to influence decisions made by officials in a government, most often legislators or members of regulatory agencies.

Not sure if he sees the irony.

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
39. Howard is beginning to feel what more and more Democrats are feeling...they don't like what Bernie
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:01 PM
Apr 2016

supporters are doing and some are turning away from Bernie.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
42. Bernie supporters? Howard there are a lot of former Dean
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:04 PM
Apr 2016

supporters who are very angry at your flip on the issues. They were your supporters.

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