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bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 01:35 PM Apr 2016

Nate Silver: More Democrats Are Feeling The Bern, Probably

We’re not big fans of national polls here at FiveThirtyEight. In the general election, they provide less information than state polls do, especially given that the presidency is determined by the Electoral College. But at least in the general election, everybody votes on the same day.1 Not so in the primaries, where the states vote sequentially. Furthermore, the rules vary substantially from state to state; in particular, some hold primaries and others have caucuses, which generally have much lower turnout. That makes it difficult to determine what a “likely voter” is in the context of a national poll.

So we’re not quite sure how much to read into national polls that show the Democratic race having tightened substantially. Our own national polling average has Hillary Clinton ahead of Bernie Sanders by 7.6 percentage points, essentially2 her narrowest margin of the campaign. That lead is down from 18.5 percentage points on Jan. 31, the day before Iowa voted.

Other polling averages show an even tighter race, with Clinton up by just a couple of percentage points. We could spend some time debating the “right” way to calculate a national polling average — given that there’s no national primary, our method is designed to be deliberate rather than rush to place a lot of weight on new polls. But no matter whose numbers you’re looking at, Sanders has gained on Clinton.

If Sanders has gained on Clinton, however, shouldn’t we also see evidence of that from the states that have voted so far? Other things held equal, we’d expect him to perform better in states voting in April than those voting in March, and better in March than in February.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/more-democrats-are-feeling-the-bern-probably/
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Nate Silver: More Democrats Are Feeling The Bern, Probably (Original Post) bluedigger Apr 2016 OP
Is he taking election fraud and voter suppression and purging into account? cui bono Apr 2016 #1
Of course not Robbins Apr 2016 #2
he left nyt before starting 538 (n/t) thesquanderer Apr 2016 #4
538 is now part of NYT Robbins Apr 2016 #5
actually you're both wrong jcgoldie Apr 2016 #7
Yup, that's right, I had my timeline wrong. (n/t) thesquanderer Apr 2016 #10
no he is cool with sanders suppporters tactics nt msongs Apr 2016 #3
Link? cui bono Apr 2016 #11
Were you intending this to be a pro-Sanders article? n/t Sheepshank Apr 2016 #6
I was intending it to be informational. bluedigger Apr 2016 #8
oh good....it was informational to me. thanks. Sheepshank Apr 2016 #9

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
7. actually you're both wrong
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:10 PM
Apr 2016

fivethirtyeight.com started out independent, then was owned by the New York Times, now it's part of espn.

bluedigger

(17,086 posts)
8. I was intending it to be informational.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:12 PM
Apr 2016

It looks like both sides have thrown Nate under the bus, pulled him out, and backed over him again repeatedly, so I thought I'd give everyone another opportunity.

I though it was a pretty fair analysis with a lot of qualifications, and interesting.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
9. oh good....it was informational to me. thanks.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:15 PM
Apr 2016

btw...I don't remember Hillary supporters throwing him under the bus.

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