What a fail OP.

primaries will be open or closed.

I just thank nature for making me a liberal and therefore endowing me with a fair amount of need to know and accept truth, even if I do fail to examine and cull my "bag of knowledge" often enough. I am so glad I'm not a person who just believes what he or she wants.

We have a lot of low info voters here thinking this is a cake walk- or akin to discrimination against women and POC.
It is embarrassing.

for them, thus proof that Democrats are all fine with corruption and inequality or we'd have fixed everything. I'm less embarrassed than long ago drained dry of tolerance for the insults and idiocy.

Should republicans be allowed to vote in democratic primaries?

If you don't think so, then you can't possibly justify why independents should. The democratic primary is for democrats to choose who they want to run as the candidate in the GE.

I don't suppose you would want me voting for the mayor of your town either. More discrimination.

No one is being excluded because they're female. Or gay. Or non-white.

Again, you misrepresent the point in favor of pointless drama, and it's still not working.

FFS, just register to vote like an adult and this won't be a problem for you.

PEOPLE IT IS A POLITICAL PARTY THAT IS DECIDING ON THE CANDIDATE IT WANTS TO PUT FORWARD IN THE GENERAL ELECTION!

Really how hard is it to grasp the concept.

Is there a record of who it was that refused to let them become registered Democrats.

since Oct. If they weren't already registered with a party the cutoff was in March.

In any case they could have changed. Maybe they would have been better served to check.
I moved last year to different county first thing I did was go online and
re-register and find out where my polling place was.

Re-checked in January just to make sure everything was good to go.

until after Oct. 2015, because their state was not facing a primary challenge yet, and the news was not all over it.

By the time the rallies started showing up and the nightly news was all politics, and they learned enough about both candidates to make a choice, it was too late for them to change their registration. Some of the candidates may have even dropped out since then...candidates they may have intended to vote for and now they are stuck.

Situations like this are not really fair. This six month condition was set up for a totally different reason than this election, where an Independent is running as a Dem. And this election is showing just how unfair that is.

But, since it's in Hillary's favor that Bernie supporters are being disenfranchised now, I can totally understand all the sarcastic comments about it being the voter's fault.

They had the same information everybody else had.
Bernie was already running back in October.

The ones that weren't registered to any party had until March to register.
Bernie was already having the rallies by then.

They could have always registered Democratic and then voted indie in the GE
I kind of doubt there was going to be a primary among Indies or Greens.

What I think is not really fair is having our nominee be at the mercy of impulse voters.
Or havine Republicans have a say in our nominee.

If they were as committed to progressive causes as some claim now it seems like
knowing the candidates and whether or not you wanted to vote for them would have been pretty basic.

Consequences can be heartbreaking.

...like, at least like just once in awhile or something?

The argument is that the Dem Party Primary is a private event held by a private organization and voters are entitled to federal protections because it's about the PARTY'S rules of who can vote and when.

word club?!!!

... he claims to be the standard bearer for progressiveness, I don't think he is.

actually criticizing Sanders based on anything of substance.

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... acting out?

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But that never happened so I guess it doesn't count
Unless you're trying to conflate a social security event with a Sanders event
But that would be kind of like oh I don't know maybe lying so I guess you would never do that

Since that's the one that has the lie in it

If you are a Dem, get yourself out of that club! Being in that club is far worse than limiting independent voters. They knew when they signed up that they could not vote in Dem or Repub primaries. Choice. Women and minorities have no choice with you.

Here's the analogy:

people refuse to join country club, want to vote for its board of directors.

no one is being excluded from the Democratic Party. They insist on people joining it if they want to participate in its governance. That's not unreasonable.

board elections took place, the head of membership at the club, a close personal friend of one of the candidates, closed the roll for the club and stopped allowing members, who were more then welcome before, to join.

and forgot or got busy.
Then they should have allowances made for them because revolution.

Best line of the primaries.

You forgot to finish this thought.

then they have to live under the rule of those directors with a President they didn't get to vote for. You should not have to join a club to be able to vote on someone who affects your life.

if you want to choose the leadership of a party, join the party.

not rocket science.

Here in NYC, there's no excuse to register Independent. Most of the meaningful elections are in the Democratic primaries.

because the candidates in the race can drop out at any time and leave voters hanging. Plus the period prior to the primary is when the voters get to learn about the people running. Six months is too long a freeze on being able to select your candidate and party registration.

Obviously this year is different than most races, as we have someone from one party running as a different party. This doesn't happen often. Party selection is more flexible this time, but the rules don't allow for it. And people who have been in one party for all their voting lives, may not know about this six month waiting period, because it never affected them before.

Voting rules need to be taught to everyone (maybe with advertising in each state, in advance of deadlines) so everyone in a state knows what they are supposed to do and when. But they aren't.

the waiting period is a much different issue than the closed primary.

waiting period is bullshit and should be changed.

but I agree the waiting period is what is really messing everyone up this year.

I still think voting rules need to be advertised every year, so everyone has a chance to learn this info...new voters, young voters who don't know any of the rules, people who have just moved to your state. It's a shame that we (hell even people here don't know half the rules) that the information isn't taught to the voters every year. Especially since rules can change and are different from state to state.

New York to be a meaningful contest--they probably hoped but didn't invest the resourecs in voter registration like it was something they were planning on.

If these people would register and then vote in our local primaries, things would change.

the Sander's campaign could have tried to get this information out better/sooner/before it was too late...but still there are a lot of people who don't pay attention to voting information until it gets closer to their time to actually participate. The six month waiting period for changing parties snuck up and bit a lot of people.

I still think this should be available in a form of public advertising (on TV and/or radio). It's complicated and a lot of people are tuned out.

This is a primary to pick the Democratic Party's candidate.

Voter education is the real issue for me and that is not being done.

The OP is claiming that women and minorities are not allowed to join the Democratic Party, and that is patently false.

you belong to a country club that allows anyone to join freely at any time.

The only thing they ask is that prior to elections of the Committee you should have been a member of the club for a specific amount of time.

Sounds utterly reasonable to me.

they may have been voting for someone in another party who dropped out of the race during that time-out period, and now they can't vote for their new choice.

Not exactly fair, since in that six-month period the candidates in the race can change quite a lot.

Please think about this along with the places in which you choose to spend your money.

absolutely irrelevant example under the law

I sort of doubt it.

activities, then suddenly they closed their ranks right before the election came up.

This is similar to my church...

They were more than happy to take my money, let me participate in their activities but I'm not invited to the AGM because I've not fulfilled the undergone the membership process.

See, when you register to vote you can choose which party you wish to belong to regardless of your DNA.

Well, some of you can. Those of us without proper documentation aren't allowed to register to vote at all and go to prison if we attempt to do so, we we pay taxes but get no say in how things are run. Thanks!

But there's a place down the street where anyone can play for just 27 dollas!

were too obtuse to join first.

They even allowed an Independent to run on the Democratic ticket.

So I don't see the analogy.

And if you really belong to a country club that does not allow women and minorities to join, you should be ashamed of yourself.

So, I'm juror #2... And, I'm leaving this up here so that it can be seen from those on either side (hide or leave it) a display the ignorance in what was presented. They don't quite GET it yet...

some ridiculous club.

I think the people who don't get it are the ones that might believe in unicorns and pretty paisley ponies. They need to take a hard look at what how, through time and greed, the DNC/DCCC/Bill Clinton morphed what should be serving all Democrats into that metaphor.

just go to the polls and claim to be a registered Democrat?

The roster will state what party the person is registered with.

Do poll workers have rosters?

What information is contained on a roster?

Does it have all names with a party ID or does it only have names of registered Democratic voters?

What is a poll worker actually going to do if someone is standing in front of them claiming to be a Democrat?

So the comparison is completely wrong.

from the voting rolls.

I get it...I really do, it's disappointing but I get it....

But this used to be an issue all Democrats cared about.

Yes or no?

But it doesn't change the fact that the analogy in your OP is completely wrong.

would know NY doesn't have an open primary.

Anyone can join the Democratic Party; they just have to want to.

Then let them pay for the primaries my tax dollars shouldn't go for it

district I work in but I don't live or pay property taxes there. They are so unfair!

We want people to join.

Why the HELL do you belong to a club that doesn't allow women or minorities to join?

Many states have closed primaries. If you want to vote in the primary, change your status by the state deadline and vote. You can then stand your moral ground and change status again before the GE. It's not rocket science and it's not a new system.

If folks want open primaries in every state, then they better get busy and be dedicated to fighting for that cause during all 12 months and in all 50 states, not just during election years.