who you pray will vote for your superpredator fearing candidate in the GE.

join them. They don't have time to stop for fools.

This x100

Hillary's shameful supporters are constantly creating racial discord.

He has called the Republicans who have passed such legislation cowards.

... but you certainly don't see his supporters expressing anywhere near the indignation, and you certainly don't see Bernie's campaign trying to take any action to fight this. Could it be because black voters tend to be fairly liberal and Bernie needs to gun-loving independent vote?

Guns aren't more important than everything else...and the only gun measures Bernie voted against would not have made any difference. The Brady Bill didn't stop Sandy Hook, and liability wouldn't have stopped it either.

Bernie has never put the interests of white voters before voters of color.

Is a real issue in many places and it needs to be addressed AGRESSIVELY.

That's the extent of their concern.

You can't stop racism without challenging corporate control of life. It's all connected.

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One of Skinner's All Stars.

Check your own "cohort," a good number of them have their own issues on this front.

I was one of the "No explanation given" jurors.

I was alerted on yesterday for posting

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Par for the course...

Be calm. Silly season is almost over.

Don't like it, take it up with Skinner. And I fucking do confront Bernie supporters who are assholes, the problem in Camp Clinton is that none of you do that, you all assist the worst among you and thus are defined by the worst among you. Try policing your own instead of lashing out in anger at people who are sick of the crap going on here. Help solve the problem. Stop stoking the fires.

How to do. Makes me wanna fucking puke!!!

It's the Sanders campaign that dismisses the black vote in the southern states. It's the Sanders campaign that intentionally targeted the white states. It's the Sanders people who earlier on called the southern blacks "low information voters." The race baiting is far and away from the Sanders campaign. Sanders people accusing the Hillary campaign of race-baiting is the same tactic that the Republicans use!

Bernie tried just as hard as your candidate to get that vote, once he was in. Nothing in HRC's proposals was ever actually better for POC than Bernie's.

She got that vote because she had been running for eight years and had worked that vote the whole time. Doesn't mean she was better on the issues. And she'll ditch AA voters just like Bill did once elected, unless kept under relentless pressure.

HRC will never reward AA voters for their votes. The Nineties proves this.

... other than voting right, Bernie has accomplished nothing for women's rights, civil rights, or gay rights. The Clintons, despite their mistakes, have accomplished things, and certainly have a long history with the black community. Bernie chose to live in a state that is less than 1% black. I wonder why he didn't choose to live in a state that was more representative of the US.

That doesn't mean Bernie deserved to be treated as untrustworthy OR as hostile. He's been fighting in support of ALL the causes you listed his entire career. And it's not really possible to get lasting victories for ANY of those causes(causes all of us are equally supportive of)while supporting the status quo on economic issues and war. The Sixties proved that-that insight was half the reason the antiwar movement was built.

And it doesn't matter where Bernie chose to live. He never moved to Vermont to get away from black people. He moved there because he needed a new start. That's all it was. If he wanted to get away from black people, why would he ever have joined CORE as an organizer?

Most of the Clinton history with POC has been a history of betrayal. That's what forming the DLC was about...kicking POC to the curb. That's what leaving the GOP equation of blackness with criminality, out-of-wedlock births, drug abuse and welfare fraud was about. Your community never got anything from the Clintons that was worth all the times they sold you out in the Nineties. The economy would have created more jobs in that decade no matter who was president...would have been exactly the same if it was Jesse, Paul Simon, or Tom Harkin.

What could Bernie ever, EVER do that could possibly have been a worse betrayal than the Clinton strategy of appeasing white supremacism(as Bill just did again with his indefensible BLM rant)?

If nothing else, the claim that Bernie's campaign didn't care about getting black votes needs to be put to rest. We could have done better, some of us pushed to change things, and then things were changed. We were always trying...it's just that we weren't always effective.

And we are running against a candidate who's been running for eight years. That was going to put us at a disadvantage no matter what.

Sure he has some great votes and his heart is in the right place, but gay rights, women's rights, and civil rights have not been his issue since the mid-60s. There is not one right you can point to that Bernie played a leading role on. The Clintons despite their mistakes accomplished a lot for various minorities especially when Bill was president. Through executive actions, through laws, through appointments, and through policy changes, many minority groups actually saw aspects of their lives improve. Bernie was always a vote, but never a leader on those types of issues. The only thing I can find that Bernie actually accomplished in this regard was that in 1985 as Mayor of Burlington, he passed a law barring discrimination in housing there. He deserves credit for that.

I guess CP time and Super-predators is what POC are attracted to.
You all really need to give up the projection.

I mean the race-baiting shit that gets posted here - Like your post today.

You blame him because he didn't single you out. He's jewish and doesn't single himself out. He thinks we all matter and wants us all to benefit from his administration. You want "self interest" but that's not Bernie. He wants us all to benefit. I agree that black lives do matter and from my perspective we need to change a lot - an awful lot. But you misperceive Bernie's lack of attention to blacks. No, he realizes that black lives will benefit when we all get our money back from the top. More jobs for everyone . . . more justice for everyone . . . attention to climate change for everyone . . . the guy who gave Hillary and Bernie a tour of low income housing came out for Bernie. I don't know the numbers but I'm guessing there are just as many blacks if not more in low income housing in NYC and Bernie wants to help.

Caucus states have more active participants. It is a strategy. But you mistake strategy for winning with constituency. That's crazy.

Clinton was senator from NY for 8 years. What did she do for Blacks? Hmm...?

where everybody is treated fairly from birth, and people can rise to wherever their talents take them, be friends with whomever they want, marry whomever they want and be whomever they want. Where people are not pigeonholed based on things that don't matter.

And yes of course all lives matter. All lives are irreplaceable.

I remember hearing about the voter id requirements from Sanders or his campaign more than once.

A lot were too concerned about their "safe spaces" and iPhones to really care about such trivial matters.

"Safe Spaces" are not about protecting white privilege.

But it certainly is a Sanders supporter thing. Just like harassing a white guy with dreds for "cultural appropriation". This latest lawsuit is just another spotlight on the ME ME ME mentality of Sanders supporters.

There's nothing Bernie proposes that is ONLY good for white people, for God's sakes. And he's always been more antiracist than HRC(she stopped being antiracist the moment she helped found the DLC, a group that was created solely to make POC powerless in the Democratic Party).

Why do you care if a white guy gets hassled for wearing dreads, anyway?

Sanders didn't "dismiss" Arizona. Did you know there are actually some AA Republicans. God forbid.

Where was Hillary? Was she still trying to 'bring them to heel'?

outside those who live here in NC. Protected groups (BOG and AA) yawned. Interestingly, they've now pitched tents at Camp Weathervane. Voting rights is now a "thing," because they think they can use it to bash Bernie and his supporters.

Early Moral Mondays were lily white, but became much more diverse as word got out. And just from my own little circle -- we're Sanders supporters, but for one or two older women who want to see the first woman President in their lifetimes.



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As a Sanders supporter, I stand (and march) with these folks, not shit-stirring malcontents on DU.

He'd be beating Hillary right now, and on pace for the nomination.

Take a state like Alabama, which Bernie lost by almost SIXTY points. He lost Black people by EIGHTY points. Now let's change that 80 point loss to a 21 point loss, aka, the same margin he lost white voters in the state. I don't have the exact math in front of me but that's roughly a 30 delegate swing. From ONE state.

Same with Virginia. Lost black voters by SEVENTY points. Change that to 20 points and that's what, a 40-50 delegate swing? Hell you wouldn't need 40%, 30% could probably suffice.

Bernie's actual program never dismissed AA concerns at all.

Also there have been gains but they came AFTER most black voters had already voted, and were too little too late.

The Sanders campaign NEVER, at any point, worked on the assumption that it didn't need black votes.

HRC had had the South wired for eight years...nothing Bernie could possibly have done could have countered that.

And there was never any justification for the accusations that Bernie saw racism as a lesser concern. Nobody who was a long-time organizer in CORE was ever going to feel that way.

At my local Democratic club meeting, I raised the issue of the dismissive attitude toward black voters by Sanders and his campaign. The room was full of Sanders supporters and when I brought that up, you could have heard a pin drop in the room and the representative from the Sanders campaign had to concede that there is an issue there. #BlackVotesMatter.

And HRC, as a centrist, can't be trusted to fight racism if elected. She didn't between the founding of the DLC and 1998, when she spoke out about Amadou Diallo solely because she was planning to run for the Senate in NY.

Bernie had been fighting racism since the Sixties. What more could the man have possibly done?

He'd have become a Republican if he had said that we couldn't address economic issues UNTIL racism was wiped out. And taking that stance would also have meant it wasn't going to be possible to wipe out racism-the main thing that keeps white racism alive is the way economic interests have sold the myth that any gains for POC were going to mean economic losses for working-class whites. That manipulation kept racism alive when it otherwise would have died a natural death.

He made a dismissive comment being interviewed by George Stephanopoulos and it was posted on this board. He was using the same sort of dismissive logic that his supporters used about the south. Most of the electorate in the primary in the south is black.

when This Week host George Stephanopoulos pointed out to Sanders that Clinton was getting more votes than him, Sanders shot back: “Well, she’s getting more votes. A lot of that came from the South.”

“Secretary Clinton cleaned our clock in the Deep South. No question about it. We got murdered there. That is the most conservative part of this great country. That’s the fact. But you know what? We’re out of the Deep South now. And we’re moving up.”

That's why HRC won in most of the South...because she ran as a more conservative candidate.

She stopped opposing racism when she helped found the DLC...that was the whole POINT of the DLC-to spread the message that Democrats shouldn't oppose white supremacy any more.

What was Bernie SUPPOSED to say?

Was he supposed to say that Super Tuesday proved he shouldn't even be running?

No candidate is ever going to say something like that.

And why are you so determined to double-down on a slur your campaign doesn't need to use?

You'd lose nothing if you admitted Bernie was fine on race.

Conservatives DID NOT carry her to victory. If anything Sanders got a whole lot of conservative Democratic protest votes just because he was not tied to Obama like Hillary Clinton is.

But you already knew that.

And when we look at where some of Sanders' best performances were in the south, it wasn't in liberal areas.

Georgia
Obama 12 Romney 12 Sanders 16
Echols 15.66% 82.99% 51.43%

Florida
Obama 12 Romney 12 Sanders 16
Baker 20.29% 78.80% 47.40%
Calhoun 26.91% 70.61% 45.20%
Dixie 25.84% 72.60% 45.10%
Gilchrist 23.75% 74.55% 50.70%
Holmes 15.25% 83.46% 51.70%
Lafayette 20.17% 78.33% 51.60%
Liberty 28.64% 74.55% 47.10%
Suwanee 26.85% 71.63% 44.30%
Union 24.76% 73.59% 51.60%

Louisiana
Obama 12 Romney 12 Sanders 16
Cameron 10.90% 87.07% 40.12%
LaSalle 11.63% 87.13% 40.80%

Tennessee
Obama 12 Romney 12 Sanders 16
Carter 23.23% 75.20% 50.95%
Unicoi 27.00% 71.01% 51.22%
Washington 29.82% 68.30% 53.07%

I'm not saying how I voted in this 7-0 jury. hahaha
It's getting easier to alert than debate for some:


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The Sanders people are concerned about independent voters, but what about black voters?
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Flame bait laced with dog whistles accusing the sanders campaign of racism.

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Hmmm... honestly I didn't know that.