2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHere's why a Hillary win in NY ends the race.
She's up by about 200 delegates. Let's say she wins by even only 5 points. That brings her a net of 10. She's up by 210 at that point. Next week is likely to be roughly a push. I'll spot Bernie RI and CT by decent margins. I think Hillary wins PA by a tiny margin, but MD and DE by big ones. That probably gives her a net pick-up, but for the sake of argument I'll hold it flat.
So, the remaining states at that point are WV, KY, IN, MT, ND, SD, NM, NJ, OR, and CA. Most of these states don't have very many delegates aside from NJ and CA.
WV is fertile territory for Bernie due to its incredible whiteness, but it only has 29 pledged delegates. Even if he wins by 20%, he picks up just 6. KY is probably going to be close, but it is a closed primary state. For the sake of argument, I'll give that to Bernie by 5%, which nets him about 3-4. Indiana is probably a Bernie state based on how he's done in the midwest, though he did atrociously in Ohio. I'll give him a 10% win there so that's 8 delegates. MT, ND, and SD are all so small I'll handle them in one swipe. I think Bernie wins these by 15 on average due to ND being a caucus. That gets him about 10 delegates on net. So far, even with somewhat generous assumptions, I have him at 28 from these states.
Then we have NM. I think he loses that based on AZ and TX. It's also closed. Hillary by 10% there, which nets her 3. Now Bernie's at a net of 25.
OR is fertile territory for Bernie so I'll give it to him by 20. Problem is that's only a net of 12 delegates. So, going into CA and NJ, he's knocked Hillary's delegate lead down by 37.
So, that means she's at 173 from 210.
Here's the problem. NJ is definitely leaning her way. It has a large African American population and is in a general neighborhood of states that she's done well in. I think she wins it by 8%. That's a net pick up of 10 delegates. She's up to 183.
So, what does that mean for CA? CA has 475 pledged delegates up for grabs. In order to overcome Hillary's 183 delegate lead at that stage, he has to win the state by 38 percentage points. Put another way, something like a 69-31 spread. That just isn't going to happen. At the moment, it's more likely that she wins it narrowly, but I'd be willing to entertain the prospect that he wins it by 4-5 points, which just doesn't net a material number of delegates.
To add insult to injury here for Bernie, Puerto Rico is up before then with a hefty 60 delegates. Hillary probably wins down there by 20-30.
And that's why the race is basically over.
hill2016
(1,772 posts)insightful analysis
Actor
(626 posts)Tone it down as to ragging on each other and turn the volume up talking about what assholes Cruz, Trump or any of the others are.
djean111
(14,255 posts)at Social Security, we would all say "What an asshole! We can't vote for that stuff! Those are GOP bad things! Not what the Democratic Party stands for!" - you see my point? It is the issues and past performance. Facts.
djean111
(14,255 posts)with, and will act accordingly.
I cannot vote for war and fracking and the TPP and cluster bombs and the Third Way attack on Social Security. That is not the Democratic Party, as far as I am concerned.
Onlooker
(5,636 posts)Then vote Republican. You'd like them.
brooklynite
(94,585 posts)CorkySt.Clair
(1,507 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Supporting such an agenda requires me to abandon too many of my core principles, such as "don't wage war for profit", "don't screw over the working class", and "don't destroy the environment."
onehandle
(51,122 posts)brush
(53,782 posts)They don't predict the future you know.
djean111
(14,255 posts)What I listed - what she has always stood for. Not worth taking the chance.
TowneshipRebellion
(92 posts)We are taking this to the convention, period.
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Zynx
(21,328 posts)Good to know. It matches the behavior of most of the Berners.
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Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)First of all, you post should be up for a Jury-regurgitated right wing crap..secondly this is why Bernie should quit today. He and you are damaging Democratic chances and to me, that is all that matters. I would have voted for Bernie even though he pissed me off these last weeks because I would crawl through broken glass to make sure the GOP does not get five life-time justices.
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Zynx
(21,328 posts)I'd bet $10 on it.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Therefore, the primary battle isn't over until the Convention, when the Super Delegates voted are counted.
Zynx
(21,328 posts)Obama didn't win with pledged delegates alone either. Look it up. It's true.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Meaning OPs claim that the race is over after NY primary is utter bullshit.
brush
(53,782 posts)not exactly ingratiating himself into the party he JUST JOINED.
Why do ya think any super delegates are going to want to switch to someone with that history?
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)The DNC suit has merit since they've been funding Clinton's campaign since she ran out of money. That appears to violate election laws.
Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)That is the role of supers to put the nominee with most delegates over the top.
BreakfastClub
(765 posts)basselope
(2,565 posts)askew
(1,464 posts)Bernie to drop out. It's also idiotic to support someone under FBI and multiple Inspector General investigations.
Zynx
(21,328 posts)In the meantime, stop pretending Bernie can win this.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)/ignore.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Is Hillary going to tell the FBI to "cut it out"?
basselope
(2,565 posts)If she wins NY by +10, you are probably right and we are looking at a republican president in 2017.
However, if she wins by less, especially if it gets CLOSE (within 5 points), winning your "home state" and the state where you served by less than 5 isn't a ringing endorsement and it could easily shift the narrative.
Zynx
(21,328 posts)HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)She won the state handily in 2008, even with Obama spanking her in Philly. They like her in the Keystone state. I think she'll win in double digits in PA (my home state).
morningfog
(18,115 posts)The race ends when the supers vote at the convention, unless one candidate drops out before then which seems unlikely.
Zynx
(21,328 posts)The supers will vote for the candidate who wins the most pledged delegates. There would be an outcry if they did something else.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)But there are a lot of unknowns at this point.
One thing we do know is that neither will have 2,383 through pledged delegates alone. It will not be decided until the supers cast their vote.
aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)aikoaiko
(34,170 posts)...if he wants to the results to deviate from the analysis.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)as Sanders can keep the $$ rolling in.
to put a dent in his fundraising, Clinton will really need to give him a beat down here.
demwing
(16,916 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)We are going to convention & we are going to blow this up.
Even if she steals the nomination she loses the general.
Suppression and sabotage of votes = Hate
Open voting and actually encouraging & counting the vote = Love
Love trumps hate every single time. With the millennials leading we are turning away from the hate. Our votes will reflect that.
Zen Democrat
(5,901 posts)Bernie picked up some these past few days.
Gothmog
(145,291 posts)Zynx
(21,328 posts)frustrated_lefty
(2,774 posts)game over.
Zynx
(21,328 posts)Game over. Hillary is president, then.