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Zynx

(21,328 posts)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:42 PM Apr 2016

Here's why a Hillary win in NY ends the race.

She's up by about 200 delegates. Let's say she wins by even only 5 points. That brings her a net of 10. She's up by 210 at that point. Next week is likely to be roughly a push. I'll spot Bernie RI and CT by decent margins. I think Hillary wins PA by a tiny margin, but MD and DE by big ones. That probably gives her a net pick-up, but for the sake of argument I'll hold it flat.

So, the remaining states at that point are WV, KY, IN, MT, ND, SD, NM, NJ, OR, and CA. Most of these states don't have very many delegates aside from NJ and CA.

WV is fertile territory for Bernie due to its incredible whiteness, but it only has 29 pledged delegates. Even if he wins by 20%, he picks up just 6. KY is probably going to be close, but it is a closed primary state. For the sake of argument, I'll give that to Bernie by 5%, which nets him about 3-4. Indiana is probably a Bernie state based on how he's done in the midwest, though he did atrociously in Ohio. I'll give him a 10% win there so that's 8 delegates. MT, ND, and SD are all so small I'll handle them in one swipe. I think Bernie wins these by 15 on average due to ND being a caucus. That gets him about 10 delegates on net. So far, even with somewhat generous assumptions, I have him at 28 from these states.

Then we have NM. I think he loses that based on AZ and TX. It's also closed. Hillary by 10% there, which nets her 3. Now Bernie's at a net of 25.

OR is fertile territory for Bernie so I'll give it to him by 20. Problem is that's only a net of 12 delegates. So, going into CA and NJ, he's knocked Hillary's delegate lead down by 37.

So, that means she's at 173 from 210.

Here's the problem. NJ is definitely leaning her way. It has a large African American population and is in a general neighborhood of states that she's done well in. I think she wins it by 8%. That's a net pick up of 10 delegates. She's up to 183.

So, what does that mean for CA? CA has 475 pledged delegates up for grabs. In order to overcome Hillary's 183 delegate lead at that stage, he has to win the state by 38 percentage points. Put another way, something like a 69-31 spread. That just isn't going to happen. At the moment, it's more likely that she wins it narrowly, but I'd be willing to entertain the prospect that he wins it by 4-5 points, which just doesn't net a material number of delegates.

To add insult to injury here for Bernie, Puerto Rico is up before then with a hefty 60 delegates. Hillary probably wins down there by 20-30.

And that's why the race is basically over.

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Here's why a Hillary win in NY ends the race. (Original Post) Zynx Apr 2016 OP
thanks for your extremely hill2016 Apr 2016 #1
If so, all the more reason for both campaigns to tone it way down right after tonight. Actor Apr 2016 #2
If I said the GOP candidate is for war and fracking and the TPP and cluster bombs and chipping away djean111 Apr 2016 #7
And then - I will consider that the "Democratic" party is no longer anything I want to be associated djean111 Apr 2016 #3
Because the integrated states are putting her over the top? Onlooker Apr 2016 #5
No need to hang around in the meantime brooklynite Apr 2016 #9
lol auntpurl Apr 2016 #31
... CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #25
And bye, Corky! :-) n/t djean111 Apr 2016 #44
Indeed. Maedhros Apr 2016 #26
Buh-bye. nt onehandle Apr 2016 #27
And the only people saying Clinton will do those things are Sanders supporters brush Apr 2016 #39
No, we can only go by Hillary's deeds and words. djean111 Apr 2016 #43
How about TowneshipRebellion Apr 2016 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Vilis Veritas Apr 2016 #11
There is no pending indictment. Zynx Apr 2016 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author Vilis Veritas Apr 2016 #36
OMG, what has Bernie done now??? MoonRiver Apr 2016 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author Vilis Veritas Apr 2016 #45
Okay. Apparently we're children now. Zynx Apr 2016 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author Vilis Veritas Apr 2016 #49
You post Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author Vilis Veritas Apr 2016 #60
I bet Bernie drops out if he loses the pledged delegate race. Zynx Apr 2016 #23
She cannot reach 2383 on pledged delegates alone. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #6
She'll get the bulk of the supers if she is there on pledged delegates Zynx Apr 2016 #12
But the SDs aren't locked up until they vote at the Convention. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #33
Bernie is suing the party, suing in NY on election day, calling everyone corrupt . . . brush Apr 2016 #40
Sanders is not the plaintiff in NY suit. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #48
So what? Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #57
Agree, but I think Hillary will win WV. It's white, but they love the Clintons there. nt BreakfastClub Apr 2016 #8
They've only done one poll there and Bernie was up by 28 basselope Apr 2016 #17
Race isn't over until FBI clears Hillary of any wrongdoing until then it is idiotic to want askew Apr 2016 #10
If that happens, we can deal with it at the convention. Zynx Apr 2016 #19
In the meantime, stop pretending I will see your posts. Maedhros Apr 2016 #30
"If that happens, we can deal with it at the convention?" How? winter is coming Apr 2016 #35
The one flaw in your analysis is the strength of a NY win will have impact on the race. basselope Apr 2016 #13
There's so much BS in that post I'm just dismissing the whole thing Zynx Apr 2016 #16
I think you misplaced this. You must have meant to respond to the OP HERVEPA Apr 2016 #34
LA LA LA LA! demwing Apr 2016 #37
Good analysis. I personally think she will do better in PA than you project. auntpurl Apr 2016 #14
You say it ends the race and then predict what happens after. Internally contradictory. morningfog Apr 2016 #15
This is stupid bullshit and you know it Zynx Apr 2016 #18
We'll see. That is the prevailing assumption, to be sure. morningfog Apr 2016 #24
You've made the case that Bernie needs to go all out going forward. aikoaiko Apr 2016 #21
Bernie went all out in NY...we will know tonight if it mattered. n/t Lucinda Apr 2016 #29
Actually, I think he is still holding back for the sake of decorum and not fracturing the party. aikoaiko Apr 2016 #32
So why would he change? 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #38
I didn't say he would. I merely observed that the OP made the case that he should... aikoaiko Apr 2016 #41
the suspense is over, but the contest will formally proceed as long geek tragedy Apr 2016 #22
That's a whole lot of "Probably" demwing Apr 2016 #28
Maybe. In either case I still won't vote for her. Tierra_y_Libertad Apr 2016 #46
The only capacity for which she is qualified is crime boss. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #58
just keep believing in your dream precious pdsimdars Apr 2016 #50
Nice try. TBF Apr 2016 #51
Start again, the number of delegates she's ahead today is 194. Zen Democrat Apr 2016 #52
New York is a must win for Sanders and he has to win by a large margin Gothmog Apr 2016 #53
This is even more true now after a 16 point win. Zynx Apr 2016 #54
And then Trump kicks her ass frustrated_lefty Apr 2016 #55
She's destroying Trump in every poll. Zynx Apr 2016 #59

Actor

(626 posts)
2. If so, all the more reason for both campaigns to tone it way down right after tonight.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:47 PM
Apr 2016

Tone it down as to ragging on each other and turn the volume up talking about what assholes Cruz, Trump or any of the others are.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
7. If I said the GOP candidate is for war and fracking and the TPP and cluster bombs and chipping away
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:50 PM
Apr 2016

at Social Security, we would all say "What an asshole! We can't vote for that stuff! Those are GOP bad things! Not what the Democratic Party stands for!" - you see my point? It is the issues and past performance. Facts.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
3. And then - I will consider that the "Democratic" party is no longer anything I want to be associated
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:47 PM
Apr 2016

with, and will act accordingly.
I cannot vote for war and fracking and the TPP and cluster bombs and the Third Way attack on Social Security. That is not the Democratic Party, as far as I am concerned.

 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
5. Because the integrated states are putting her over the top?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:49 PM
Apr 2016

Then vote Republican. You'd like them.

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
26. Indeed.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:58 PM
Apr 2016

Supporting such an agenda requires me to abandon too many of my core principles, such as "don't wage war for profit", "don't screw over the working class", and "don't destroy the environment."

brush

(53,782 posts)
39. And the only people saying Clinton will do those things are Sanders supporters
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:08 PM
Apr 2016

They don't predict the future you know.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
43. No, we can only go by Hillary's deeds and words.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:15 PM
Apr 2016

What I listed - what she has always stood for. Not worth taking the chance.

Response to TowneshipRebellion (Reply #4)

Response to Zynx (Reply #20)

Response to MoonRiver (Reply #42)

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
47. Okay. Apparently we're children now.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:20 PM
Apr 2016

Good to know. It matches the behavior of most of the Berners.

Response to Zynx (Reply #47)

Demsrule86

(68,582 posts)
56. You post
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:16 AM
Apr 2016

First of all, you post should be up for a Jury-regurgitated right wing crap..secondly this is why Bernie should quit today. He and you are damaging Democratic chances and to me, that is all that matters. I would have voted for Bernie even though he pissed me off these last weeks because I would crawl through broken glass to make sure the GOP does not get five life-time justices.

Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #56)

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
6. She cannot reach 2383 on pledged delegates alone.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:49 PM
Apr 2016

Therefore, the primary battle isn't over until the Convention, when the Super Delegates voted are counted.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
12. She'll get the bulk of the supers if she is there on pledged delegates
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:52 PM
Apr 2016

Obama didn't win with pledged delegates alone either. Look it up. It's true.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
33. But the SDs aren't locked up until they vote at the Convention.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:01 PM
Apr 2016

Meaning OPs claim that the race is over after NY primary is utter bullshit.

brush

(53,782 posts)
40. Bernie is suing the party, suing in NY on election day, calling everyone corrupt . . .
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:11 PM
Apr 2016

not exactly ingratiating himself into the party he JUST JOINED.

Why do ya think any super delegates are going to want to switch to someone with that history?

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
48. Sanders is not the plaintiff in NY suit.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:24 PM
Apr 2016

The DNC suit has merit since they've been funding Clinton's campaign since she ran out of money. That appears to violate election laws.

askew

(1,464 posts)
10. Race isn't over until FBI clears Hillary of any wrongdoing until then it is idiotic to want
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:52 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie to drop out. It's also idiotic to support someone under FBI and multiple Inspector General investigations.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
19. If that happens, we can deal with it at the convention.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:55 PM
Apr 2016

In the meantime, stop pretending Bernie can win this.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
35. "If that happens, we can deal with it at the convention?" How?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:03 PM
Apr 2016

Is Hillary going to tell the FBI to "cut it out"?

 

basselope

(2,565 posts)
13. The one flaw in your analysis is the strength of a NY win will have impact on the race.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:52 PM
Apr 2016

If she wins NY by +10, you are probably right and we are looking at a republican president in 2017.

However, if she wins by less, especially if it gets CLOSE (within 5 points), winning your "home state" and the state where you served by less than 5 isn't a ringing endorsement and it could easily shift the narrative.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
14. Good analysis. I personally think she will do better in PA than you project.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:52 PM
Apr 2016

She won the state handily in 2008, even with Obama spanking her in Philly. They like her in the Keystone state. I think she'll win in double digits in PA (my home state).

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
15. You say it ends the race and then predict what happens after. Internally contradictory.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:53 PM
Apr 2016

The race ends when the supers vote at the convention, unless one candidate drops out before then which seems unlikely.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
18. This is stupid bullshit and you know it
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:54 PM
Apr 2016

The supers will vote for the candidate who wins the most pledged delegates. There would be an outcry if they did something else.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
24. We'll see. That is the prevailing assumption, to be sure.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:57 PM
Apr 2016

But there are a lot of unknowns at this point.

One thing we do know is that neither will have 2,383 through pledged delegates alone. It will not be decided until the supers cast their vote.

aikoaiko

(34,170 posts)
41. I didn't say he would. I merely observed that the OP made the case that he should...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:13 PM
Apr 2016


...if he wants to the results to deviate from the analysis.
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
22. the suspense is over, but the contest will formally proceed as long
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 02:56 PM
Apr 2016

as Sanders can keep the $$ rolling in.

to put a dent in his fundraising, Clinton will really need to give him a beat down here.

TBF

(32,062 posts)
51. Nice try.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:34 PM
Apr 2016

We are going to convention & we are going to blow this up.

Even if she steals the nomination she loses the general.

Suppression and sabotage of votes = Hate
Open voting and actually encouraging & counting the vote = Love

Love trumps hate every single time. With the millennials leading we are turning away from the hate. Our votes will reflect that.

Zen Democrat

(5,901 posts)
52. Start again, the number of delegates she's ahead today is 194.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:39 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie picked up some these past few days.

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