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If Hillary only wins by a single digit margin, she will have blown yet another double digit lead (Original Post) peacebird Apr 2016 OP
Wouldn't Bern love to win NY by single digits? kstewart33 Apr 2016 #1
That sound you hear is Bernie moving the goal posts Gomez163 Apr 2016 #2
I'm sure he would. But whether Bernie wins by single digits, or loses by them, winter is coming Apr 2016 #4
So what? hack89 Apr 2016 #10
Bernie was down by double digits two weeks ago, so yes. But Hills was up by double digits peacebird Apr 2016 #5
So many qualifiers. A win is a win is a win. nt kstewart33 Apr 2016 #8
Wishful thinking. Why is Sanders asking for no plane-side photos as he leaves NY? brush Apr 2016 #3
As with Michigan, he can give it from the stage of the next state he is campaigning in! peacebird Apr 2016 #6
Uh-huh. Sure. brush Apr 2016 #12
This has been the pattern throughout the campaign nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #20
So Bernie is a stronger candidate because he only loses by single digits? Ok hack89 Apr 2016 #7
Many states do not record or release number of votes, only number of delegates... Just fyi. peacebird Apr 2016 #9
Obama was losing states in May of 2008 hack89 Apr 2016 #11
Lowering expectations KingFlorez Apr 2016 #13
Awwww - that's adorable leftynyc Apr 2016 #14
Bernie keeps losing to a terrible candidate alcibiades_mystery Apr 2016 #15
Losing is winning!!! JoePhilly Apr 2016 #16
They gotta say something I guess. alcibiades_mystery Apr 2016 #17
Doesn't really matter as she clinches the nomination...same with beachbumbob Apr 2016 #18
Hillarians don't get it Kalidurga Apr 2016 #19
She's inevitable! Math is on her side! Bernie is a loser! XemaSab Apr 2016 #25
She really should be getting 80% support from us. Kalidurga Apr 2016 #29
This election is a referendum on the Clinton era, the 2 presidencies before, and XemaSab Apr 2016 #33
I would rather have a referendum on getting people out of extreme poverty Kalidurga Apr 2016 #35
The working class are THE issue and THE voting bloc XemaSab Apr 2016 #37
Nobody ever said that everybody has to like her to win Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2016 #31
Blown a double digit lead, but get another boost in her MineralMan Apr 2016 #21
if she wins by 1%, she wins....and that is the most important thing of all nt Sheepshank Apr 2016 #22
Goalposts are moving faster than any person can chase them Dem2 Apr 2016 #23
First place wins this new Cadillac. MineralMan Apr 2016 #24
Understanding fail. If you win, you didn't blow the lead. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #26
If Hillary wins by a single digit margin, Hillary has won the primary. Squinch Apr 2016 #27
so she should be really happy with a 0.5 percent lead cause she "won"? Merryland Apr 2016 #30
A) Would Sanders be happy with a .5 percent lead? Squinch Apr 2016 #34
I'm sure he'd be thrilled with a .5% lead XemaSab Apr 2016 #38
If Bernie loses NY, he loses his home state. That's not good. nt BreakfastClub Apr 2016 #28
Primary races always tighten up in the end. Bobbie Jo Apr 2016 #32
And Bernie will yet again have not been able to pull it out when it really matters. Zynx Apr 2016 #36
Ooops! George II Apr 2016 #39

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
4. I'm sure he would. But whether Bernie wins by single digits, or loses by them,
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:31 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary will still have blown a big lead in a state she once represented.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
10. So what?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:37 PM
Apr 2016

it is a tough, close primary. Totally irrelevant to the general election. Lets not forget that Obama was losing states as late as May in 2008 and his lead was never as large as Hillary's is this year. Obama was not a weak candidate going into the GE. Neither will be Hillary.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
5. Bernie was down by double digits two weeks ago, so yes. But Hills was up by double digits
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:33 PM
Apr 2016

if she only limps past the finish line in NY, shen she was their Senator, after losing 8 of last contests... Well then Hills momentum is not trending upward. A squeaker of a win where she was projected to crush Bernie would be a defeat for her.

brush

(53,784 posts)
3. Wishful thinking. Why is Sanders asking for no plane-side photos as he leaves NY?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:31 PM
Apr 2016

What, he's not sticking around for his "victory" speech?

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
20. This has been the pattern throughout the campaign
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:57 PM
Apr 2016

I think the only exception was Vermont. We were checking returns in San Diego. Trust me, we did not vote that day, or I blew it

Phew, June has not come and gone!!!

hack89

(39,171 posts)
7. So Bernie is a stronger candidate because he only loses by single digits? Ok
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:34 PM
Apr 2016

he is still the loser. Unless you really think the nomination should not go to the person with the most votes and most pledged delegates.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
9. Many states do not record or release number of votes, only number of delegates... Just fyi.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:35 PM
Apr 2016

And if he had lost a double digit lead, after losing 8 staight contests then I would be worried about him, but he hasn't. That particular loser would be Hills.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
11. Obama was losing states in May of 2008
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:39 PM
Apr 2016

his lead over Hillary was never as large as Hillary's is over Bernie. Yet he was not a weak candidate going into the GE and neither will Hillary. Bernie is losing big. It is ludicrous to believe that makes him the better candidate.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
14. Awwww - that's adorable
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 03:45 PM
Apr 2016

Of course the other side of that coin is Bernie couldn't get enough people to feel the bern and will still be losing popular vote, pledged delegates and superdelegates. Other than that, awesome for Bernie. LOL.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
18. Doesn't really matter as she clinches the nomination...same with
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:19 PM
Apr 2016

Sanders victories in insignificant delegate count states...in the end...math wins

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
19. Hillarians don't get it
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:54 PM
Apr 2016

If Hillary can't win NY in a blow out it is not a good sign for the GE. She's supposed to be the most lovable NY Senator evah.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
25. She's inevitable! Math is on her side! Bernie is a loser!
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:07 PM
Apr 2016


Never mind the fact that a woman who has arguably been the most powerful and influential woman of the last quarter century should be able to wipe the court with some weird old socialist from a state populated entirely by cows and hippies.

I wonder what the narrative is going to be iffenwhen she fails to wipe the court with him today.

"It's Bernie's home state so of course he was competitive there!"

"Upstate New York is white and rural so of course he was competitive there!"

"New York City is full of young hipsters and Jews so of course he was competitive there!"

"Hillary was focused on California because that's her firewall!"

"Sexism! Bernie bros! Popery!"

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
29. She really should be getting 80% support from us.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:13 PM
Apr 2016

I would love it if we had even an average sort of female candidate up. Say a woman who has only been a one term senator who has a lot of the same ideas as Bernie. Or even woman who's been in the Senate or a Congress person for decades. I really don't care about the long list of checked boxes. What I care about is that we don't have someone who has so many obvious conflicts of interests and is constantly creating scandals. So, I would vote for this fictional woman who hasn't accomplished much but has a much cleaner record.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
33. This election is a referendum on the Clinton era, the 2 presidencies before, and
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:22 PM
Apr 2016

the 2 presidencies after.

Even on the republican side, they threw their status quo candidates out a while ago.

It was Hillary's to lose, and she's doing a damn fine job of it.

And much as her supporters would disagree, although she might currently be ahead, she's not winning.

(Bernie's not winning, either, but neither is he losing.)

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
35. I would rather have a referendum on getting people out of extreme poverty
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:26 PM
Apr 2016

I think Hillary would have lost by now in a landslide even against another woman running even if she appeared to not be as strong a candidate on just that single issue. My point is that people really would love to have a woman president. Hillary would be a good candidate in theory, but she is all in for the establishment and that is not the path forward.

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
37. The working class are THE issue and THE voting bloc
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:28 PM
Apr 2016

They've seen their standard of living slide more than any other group in the last 35 years, and they're PISSSSSSSSED.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
31. Nobody ever said that everybody has to like her to win
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:17 PM
Apr 2016

All she has to do is get more votes than her opponent.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
21. Blown a double digit lead, but get another boost in her
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:01 PM
Apr 2016

pledged delegate lead. I'm betting she can live with that, don't you think.

A win is a win. A loss is, well, not such a good thing at this point in the primary race.

But, you can rationalize it as you choose, I guess.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
22. if she wins by 1%, she wins....and that is the most important thing of all nt
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:03 PM
Apr 2016

it keeps her delegate count up and she is headed for the White House...the most important goal in sight

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
24. First place wins this new Cadillac.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:03 PM
Apr 2016

Second place gets this set of steak knives. Third place, you're fired.

Or words to that effect.

Squinch

(50,950 posts)
27. If Hillary wins by a single digit margin, Hillary has won the primary.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:11 PM
Apr 2016

Don't worry. If you think really hard, you'll understand at some point.

Squinch

(50,950 posts)
34. A) Would Sanders be happy with a .5 percent lead?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:25 PM
Apr 2016

B) There has been no reasonable route to victory for Sanders since Nevada. After Nevada, only very narrow and unlikely paths remained. Every primary since then has further narrowed his path, making an unlikelihood veer closer and closer to impossibility. If Sanders doesn't make up a very large part of his 200 delegate shortfall tonight, he has no chance of making it up. There is no place for the votes to come from. I have no doubt that you are certain he does have a path, but you are simply wrong.

Anything over a tie for Hillary means she has won the primary.

Would Sanders consider winning the primary a good outcome? I am guessing he would. But, what, Hillary needs to somehow do more than that?





XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
38. I'm sure he'd be thrilled with a .5% lead
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:32 PM
Apr 2016

Also, Nevada was literally the third state to vote, and I have no idea where your statement is coming from.

Iowa was a tie, Bernie kicked ass in NH, and Hillary squeaked out a 5-point win in Nevada.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
36. And Bernie will yet again have not been able to pull it out when it really matters.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:27 PM
Apr 2016

Despite getting a pass on a number of irresponsible positions and statements.

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