2016 Postmortem

NWCorona

(8,541 posts) Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:19 PM Apr 2016

New York Primary Lawsuit Update: In Potential Win For Bernie Sanders Supporters, Judge Declares

"New York primary lawsuit may have found an opening for the state’s voters who believe their registration was wrongly changed, with a development on Tuesday seen as a boost to supporters of Bernie Sanders claiming the actions unfairly targeted them.

An effort to open the state’s notoriously restrictive primary was put off by a judge, asking for a later hearing that involves election officials from all of the state’s 62 counties. But despite a lack of resolution, lawyers urged voters who believe they rightly belong on the Democratic Party rolls to cast provisional ballots in the hope that a further ruling could have them counted.
Jordan Chariton, who has been covering the court proceedings for The Young Turks, tweeted on Monday that there is still hope for voters who believe they should have been able to cast ballots.

The ruling was seen as a win for supporters of Bernie Sanders, who said the actions disproportionately targeted them.

The lawsuit was brought by Election Justice USA, which called on supporters to rally outside the New York courthouse in favor of opening the primary to all voters.

The group had filed a lawsuit on Monday seeking to open the state’s primary to voters whose party affiliations had changed without their knowledge. There were numerous reports of voters who met the state’s October deadline to register with a party, but found out that either their affiliation was never updated or somehow switched to unaffiliated."

http://www.inquisitr.com/3012582/new-york-primary-lawsuit-update-voters-wrongly-purged-from-democratic-party-rolls-may-still-be-able-to-vote-judge-declares/#TXhJgyvapJlo2w76.99

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New York Primary Lawsuit Update: In Potential Win For Bernie Sanders Supporters, Judge Declares (Original Post) NWCorona Apr 2016 OP

Great news. Can't believe how undemocratic our oligarchy is. Crabby Abbey Apr 2016 #1

He hasn't been involved in this at all... brooklynite Apr 2016 #7

I don't think election justice is disappointed in Sanders, from all I know of their people Land Shark Apr 2016 #14

And many will find that they hadn't met the deadlines for switching or registering. Jitter65 Apr 2016 #2

This is about people who did meet the deadline NWCorona Apr 2016 #4

Any reason to slam us will do... JudyM Apr 2016 #9

These people did meet the deadlines. It really saddens me when another democrat doesn't jillan Apr 2016 #11

How do you know they met the deadline? randome Apr 2016 #12

That is what I want to know. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #17

If it really is this many involved, then something likely went wrong with the voter rolls. randome Apr 2016 #24

Same here. But there is no data showing how many are affected LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #26

Anyone registered to vote can vote in the GE ... why do you people make crap up all the time? n/t SFnomad Apr 2016 #13

you are spreading false information. In NY voters have til OCT 14 to register for the general nt msongs Apr 2016 #16

I think this should be seen as a potential win for voters, period. randome Apr 2016 #3

I realize I'm not a lawyer, but I don't see a ruling RandySF Apr 2016 #5

Judge rules against opening primary Gomez163 Apr 2016 #6

That component was never viable NWCorona Apr 2016 #10

So they think they can change it considering the Supreme Court ruled it was constitional in 1973. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #21

There's a difference between righting a genuine wrong, i.e. a registered Dem being dropped Tarc Apr 2016 #8

Yes. Those are two different topics. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #22

K&R Dragonfli Apr 2016 #15

If they're not voting for Hillary, then they DON'T belong in the Democratic (D) Party! mindwalker_i Apr 2016 #18

That's a real sentiment for some here unfortunately NWCorona Apr 2016 #19

If they registered dem by the deadline,.... NCTraveler Apr 2016 #20

Agreed! NWCorona Apr 2016 #23

I see no other way. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #29

Don't know about NY but my voter registration card says livetohike Apr 2016 #28

I'm not one hundred percent what is really being alleged here. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #30

How did anyone know who these people were going to vote for? I'm sure Hillary voters BreakfastClub Apr 2016 #25

I disagree NWCorona Apr 2016 #27

If you disagree ... then you would be wrong. SFnomad Apr 2016 #31

Crabby Abbey

(66 posts)

1. Great news. Can't believe how undemocratic our oligarchy is.

Reply to NWCorona (Original post)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:22 PM

Apr 2016

Birdie Sanders to the rescue! Love that man. I hope he wins big today. He is up against the machine, no backing down now!!

brooklynite

(94,588 posts)

7. He hasn't been involved in this at all...

Reply to Crabby Abbey (Reply #1)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:26 PM

Apr 2016

...another voting rights case he's been too busy to file a complaint about.

Land Shark

(6,346 posts)

14. I don't think election justice is disappointed in Sanders, from all I know of their people

Reply to brooklynite (Reply #7)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:41 PM

Apr 2016

I think they are disappointed in Hillary's response though

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)

2. And many will find that they hadn't met the deadlines for switching or registering.

Reply to NWCorona (Original post)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:22 PM

Apr 2016

More bull from the aptly named BS campaign.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)

4. This is about people who did meet the deadline

Reply to Jitter65 (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:24 PM

Apr 2016

JudyM

(29,250 posts)

9. Any reason to slam us will do...

Reply to NWCorona (Reply #4)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:27 PM

Apr 2016

jillan

(39,451 posts)

11. These people did meet the deadlines. It really saddens me when another democrat doesn't

Reply to Jitter65 (Reply #2)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:29 PM

Apr 2016

care that people are unable to vote.

If they can't vote then they can't vote in the GE and since Hillary "is definitely" going to be nominee, I would hope you would want this resolved asap.

randome

(34,845 posts)

12. How do you know they met the deadline?

Reply to jillan (Reply #11)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:34 PM

Apr 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"[/center][/font][hr]

LiberalFighter

(50,942 posts)

17. That is what I want to know.

Reply to randome (Reply #12)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:10 PM

Apr 2016

The burden is on them to prove they met the deadline. I would not have a problem of allowing voters to have their vote counted if their party affiliation was changed without their action.

randome

(34,845 posts)

24. If it really is this many involved, then something likely went wrong with the voter rolls.

Reply to LiberalFighter (Reply #17)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:19 PM

Apr 2016

And I sure as hell want every eligible vote to count, too!
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"[/center][/font][hr]

LiberalFighter

(50,942 posts)

26. Same here. But there is no data showing how many are affected

Reply to randome (Reply #24)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:21 PM

Apr 2016

and the circumstances. The devil is in the details.

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)

13. Anyone registered to vote can vote in the GE ... why do you people make crap up all the time? n/t

Reply to jillan (Reply #11)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:35 PM

Apr 2016

msongs

(67,413 posts)

16. you are spreading false information. In NY voters have til OCT 14 to register for the general nt

Reply to jillan (Reply #11)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:02 PM

Apr 2016

randome

(34,845 posts)

3. I think this should be seen as a potential win for voters, period.

Reply to NWCorona (Original post)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:23 PM

Apr 2016

If something screwed up the voter rolls, we should find out what happened. But casting this as somehow only helping your candidate does not do the concept of voting rights any good. Each time you betray your bias, you make it harder to take you seriously. Despite that, I have utmost confidence that deBlasio will find out what's what.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"[/center][/font][hr]

RandySF

(58,884 posts)

5. I realize I'm not a lawyer, but I don't see a ruling

Reply to NWCorona (Original post)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:24 PM

Apr 2016

Just another hearing. Was there some kind of injunction that I missed?

Gomez163

(2,039 posts)

6. Judge rules against opening primary

Reply to NWCorona (Original post)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:26 PM

Apr 2016

http://thetab.com/us/2016/04/19/judge-rules-against-opening-the-ny-primary-3593

Independent votes will not count
A New York judge has ruled against an emergency lawsuit filed yesterday by Elections Justice USA.

The decision means New York will remain a closed primary.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)

10. That component was never viable

Reply to Gomez163 (Reply #6)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:27 PM

Apr 2016

It's about the flipped voters.

LiberalFighter

(50,942 posts)

21. So they think they can change it considering the Supreme Court ruled it was constitional in 1973.

Reply to Gomez163 (Reply #6)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:15 PM

Apr 2016

No Party Changes Allowed

The Question of Constitutionality

In the 1970s a group of New Yorkers prohibited from voting in party primaries because they missed the date for switching parties challenged the New York deadline, which was then the same as it is now. They argued that the timeframe was unconstitutional because it restricted their inherent rights under the 5th and 14th Amendments to affiliate with the party of their choosing.

Two lower courts ruled in Rosario v. Rockefeller that the New York's enrollment deadline was unconstitutional. But in 1973, the Supreme Court, in a five-to-four split, overturned the decision and upheld New York's primary procedures. The state's policies did not absolutely disenfranchise voters, said the Supreme Court, they merely put in place a time restriction in relation to party affiliation.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)

8. There's a difference between righting a genuine wrong, i.e. a registered Dem being dropped

Reply to NWCorona (Original post)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:27 PM

Apr 2016

from the voting rolls, and this absurd fantasy about getting a judge to just flip NY's primary from closed to open.

We need to stop conflating the two.

LiberalFighter

(50,942 posts)

22. Yes. Those are two different topics.

Reply to Tarc (Reply #8)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:17 PM

Apr 2016

The latter is a closed subject.

If there is a problem with voters mysteriously having their registration changed then that needs to be resolved.

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)

15. K&R

Reply to NWCorona (Original post)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:48 PM

Apr 2016

mindwalker_i

(4,407 posts)

18. If they're not voting for Hillary, then they DON'T belong in the Democratic (D) Party!

Reply to NWCorona (Original post)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:10 PM

Apr 2016

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)

19. That's a real sentiment for some here unfortunately

Reply to mindwalker_i (Reply #18)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:12 PM

Apr 2016

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)

20. If they registered dem by the deadline,....

Reply to NWCorona (Original post)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:15 PM

Apr 2016

And through no action of their own they were removed or switched, their vote should count.

NWCorona

(8,541 posts)

23. Agreed!

Reply to NCTraveler (Reply #20)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:17 PM

Apr 2016

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)

29. I see no other way.

Reply to NWCorona (Reply #23)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:25 PM

Apr 2016

And if it's found that something like that happened to a group of people, through no action of their own and outside of current registration laws, I will be demanding to know why.

livetohike

(22,145 posts)

28. Don't know about NY but my voter registration card says

Reply to NCTraveler (Reply #20)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:24 PM

Apr 2016

Democratic. If a voter in NY shows their card, they should vote via Provisional ballot and have it sorted out at the county board of elections.

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)

30. I'm not one hundred percent what is really being alleged here.

Reply to livetohike (Reply #28)

Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:50 PM

Apr 2016

1) voters registered dem before the deadline, got their card and it says dem, yet aren't dem in the voter rolls today?

2) voters registered dem before the deadline, got their card and it says something other than dem, and was not noticed?

3) there are no voter cards in NY, they claim to have registered dem by the deadline, yet are on the rolls as something else?

I would think voter cards would put this to rest.