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liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:16 PM Apr 2016

Hillary Supporters, Do you honestly believe that the protest at the Clooney home was sexist?

Come on, guys. I've seen some whoppers during election seasons but man this one really takes the cake. How can you perceive someone being upset with a Presidential candidate raising millions of dollars from big donors as sexism?? Progressives have been working to get money out of politics since long before Bernie Sanders ran against Hillary Clinton. The people protesting at the Clooney home fundraiser are the same people who were behind the Occupy Movement. In 2012 Progressives would protest at RMoney fundraisers in exactly the same manner. They would hold up banners that read "Mitt Romoney has a KOCH problem."



It was the SAME THING! No one protesting had Hillary's gender on their minds.



Even Clooney himself said the Sanders supporters were ABSOLUTELY RIGHT about money in politics. When I heard that people were claiming the protest was sexist, it saddened me deeply. Please don't do this. It makes a mockery of the Progressive Movement.
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Hillary Supporters, Do you honestly believe that the protest at the Clooney home was sexist? (Original Post) liberalnarb Apr 2016 OP
I think it was stupid... CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #1
It shouldn't have allowed for talk of sexism because there was nothing sexist about it! liberalnarb Apr 2016 #5
Intended or not, you can't see the connotations of throwing dollar bills at a woman? CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #6
There are no connotations of throwing dollar bills at a Presidential Candidate that takes boatloads liberalnarb Apr 2016 #7
Yep. They are pissed off because the actions were rock-solid on target and funny as hell. GoneFishin Apr 2016 #55
You guys should be asking women whether it was sexist. brush Apr 2016 #76
So protesting money in politics is sexist? Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #37
Protesting is fine. Using strip club tactics, stupid. CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #48
Wow! Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #50
This seems like a typical conservative response. TM99 Apr 2016 #54
I think throwing money at Clinton was a bad idea. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #2
I think it was ridiculous, bad for our party, and misguided. nt BreakfastClub Apr 2016 #3
Bad form MFM008 Apr 2016 #4
At the least it was tone deaf but no surprising seeing past actions of mostly Sanders supporterss uponit7771 Apr 2016 #8
1% attitude? liberalnarb Apr 2016 #9
attitude = actual?! No really, SBS camp has reading issues. Either way, 1% throw money at uponit7771 Apr 2016 #10
OR liberalnarb Apr 2016 #11
True... 1% attitude protesters though... not working class folk who have to pay bills uponit7771 Apr 2016 #12
What makes you so sure they aren't working class? liberalnarb Apr 2016 #14
TRUE workin class folk don't have dollars to throw at cars, professional and 1% do though uponit7771 Apr 2016 #15
Oh jeez. liberalnarb Apr 2016 #17
A WHOLE dollar?? jmg257 Apr 2016 #28
Yeap, for the working poor and the working class every dollar is accounted for. For the 1% attitude uponit7771 Apr 2016 #30
Couldn't you just go pick it back up? It's RIGHT THERE on the road. jmg257 Apr 2016 #33
That makes total sense timmymoff Apr 2016 #53
I have an op on this, if Sanders is not into big money in politics why is he outspending her uponit7771 Apr 2016 #56
Yes those $27 timmymoff Apr 2016 #60
Abbie Hoffmann and Jerry Rubin threw money onto the floor of the NYSE to make a similar point. Baobab Apr 2016 #25
You're voting for the 1% buddy. Loudestlib Apr 2016 #58
hi I'm working class retrowire Apr 2016 #27
Good for you.. some working class people have money to waste most don't and the working poor uponit7771 Apr 2016 #31
Tell that to this janitor's daughter...if I were there I would have pitched $$$ in Peregrine Took Apr 2016 #65
The intensity of the dislike for Hillary is sexist Onlooker Apr 2016 #13
+1, this should be its own OP... this is spot on and back up by data and science. It takes people uponit7771 Apr 2016 #18
+1 Haveadream Apr 2016 #20
She does not deserve the Bush level hate uponit7771 Apr 2016 #23
This. Nt NCTraveler Apr 2016 #29
I'm a woman and all the women I know can't stand her. Peregrine Took Apr 2016 #66
Same. vintx Apr 2016 #68
I've never seen such hatred directed towards another candidate. It makes me sad as a woman kerry-is-my-prez Apr 2016 #69
lol - any criticism of Hillary is a right-wing talking point &/or sexist TheDormouse Apr 2016 #16
Are people being deliberately obtuse? Haveadream Apr 2016 #19
Here is what, perhaps, many Hillary supporters do not understand - djean111 Apr 2016 #32
No, you are not alone! n/t watrwefitinfor Apr 2016 #51
This. n/t ms liberty Apr 2016 #57
Challenging a woman or a minority candidate Haveadream Apr 2016 #71
The thrown money? Eye of the beholder. djean111 Apr 2016 #72
It was ridiculous, not sexist. Adrahil Apr 2016 #21
And one of the participants tweeting that they "made it rain" wasn't sexist at all. n/t seaglass Apr 2016 #46
I remember people being so SHOCKED and OFFENDED that Mitt Romney paid taxes at "only" MADem Apr 2016 #22
Mitt had $13,696,951 in income. QC Apr 2016 #24
Well, progressive taxation is fine and dandy, but when someone who makes a third or a fourth MADem Apr 2016 #26
So Bernie is a corrupt 1% with his "vast fortune"... Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #39
Well, that post is a total invention, especially the Delaware thing. MADem Apr 2016 #42
Why don't you Hillarysplain her little tax haven... Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #47
LOL @ "tax haven." Tax havens are in the Caymans--where Bernie's stuff must be, the way he's MADem Apr 2016 #62
Ah! Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #63
LOL @ RT--Don't bring Pootie-Poot crap in here and expect to be taken seriously. nt MADem Apr 2016 #64
So what news outlet is acceptable to you? Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #67
RT is Russian Propaganda, and everyone knows it. The only people who flog it and know better MADem Apr 2016 #73
That's not what I asked... Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #74
Pretty much anything not flogged by Vladimir Putin or Rush Limbaugh will do. MADem Apr 2016 #75
Only republicans and RWers think... Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #77
TLDR--but you don't know what you're talking about. And the only rightwinger in this convo ain't MADem Apr 2016 #78
Why do you deny who you really are? Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #80
What a litany of ugly and false accusations. nt MADem Apr 2016 #81
Oh cry me a river! Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #84
Effective protest, no sexism. Didn't even think of that till the next day when it was jmg257 Apr 2016 #34
They were making a point about money, so they threw money. The faux conflation is bullshit. GoneFishin Apr 2016 #79
No firebrand80 Apr 2016 #35
Honestly, the first thing I though of when I saw the video was the 'corporate whore' remarks, so yes anotherproletariat Apr 2016 #36
The protest and the "corporate whore" remarks were two unrelated events. liberalnarb Apr 2016 #38
Yeah. procon Apr 2016 #40
Throwing money at a car is an attack based on gender? liberalnarb Apr 2016 #41
Maybe you meant the paint on the car? procon Apr 2016 #49
"based their attack on her gender" Or not... More like reputation and actions. jmg257 Apr 2016 #44
Here's your mistake melman Apr 2016 #43
Its the default reaction to everything AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #45
Exactly n/t DebbieCDC Apr 2016 #52
Stupid, bad optics, and sexist all in one neat package. Bernie has a PAC himself... Hekate Apr 2016 #59
This. nt msanthrope Apr 2016 #70
I hate to tell you this passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #61
Sexist? no. Naive? Yes. brooklynite Apr 2016 #82
No, but I do think that it was foolish. Beacool Apr 2016 #83
 

CrowCityDem

(2,348 posts)
1. I think it was stupid...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:19 PM
Apr 2016

that no one there understood the optics of throwing dollar bills at a women, right after the word "whore" was all over the news. Someone should have had the sense to see that it was going to allow for talk of sexism.

 

liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
5. It shouldn't have allowed for talk of sexism because there was nothing sexist about it!
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:27 PM
Apr 2016

They were upset about big money in politics the same way they have always been upset about big money in politics.

 

liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
7. There are no connotations of throwing dollar bills at a Presidential Candidate that takes boatloads
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:33 PM
Apr 2016

of money from big donors.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
55. Yep. They are pissed off because the actions were rock-solid on target and funny as hell.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:33 PM
Apr 2016

This bunch of cry babies are acting like the protesters were throwing condoms or feminine hygiene products.

 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
37. So protesting money in politics is sexist?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:46 PM
Apr 2016

Or perhaps it's the ridiculously small amount that was thrown at her car was more insulting? Perhaps she only wants to listen to people with the Big Money while driving by the Little People her leadership seek to disenfranchise?

This is so hillarious. All of a sudden, everything from Bernie or his supporters is sexist no matter how "we spin it"....

The Spinzone is strong among many misinformed voters who once again will vote against their interest as well as the interest of country and humanity

 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
50. Wow!
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:19 PM
Apr 2016

Some people never lose focus on genitalia, do they?

And I thought that Bill O'Reilly's Spinzone was limited to FOX "News".

Bernie's campaign has always been about issues. It's only thin skinned Hillary supporters and surrogates who have made this into a mud fest swiftboating Sanders for then to act like victims when their lies have been debunked, but still done damage. These are the premises where neither Hillary, her sleazy surrogates and gullible supporters should never be called out on their smear and just let Hillary trample all over the party, Bernie and his supporters since she is too precious to be critized, remember, critizising a woman is sexist. Attack her policies and can hurt her feelings before the GE and are all "artful smears" while Bernie is a Jewish pinata to be kicked around like a ragdoll, where he and his supporters can be called racist and sexist indiscriminately in the Hillary echo chamber without being called out on it.
Good luck in getting all those Indy's your party leadership has disinfranchised to win cheaply to vote for her if she steals the primary. Don't think it's going to work. In fact, her dirty campaign will have a giant backlash at her if that is the scenario (sorry George Carlin - I used a banned word).

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
54. This seems like a typical conservative response.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:29 PM
Apr 2016

You automatically assume that dollar bills being thrown at a candidate in protest are actually about strippers.

I don't know how recent was your last visit to a strip club but the ones my partner and I go to expect $5.00 tips in the g-string on the stage show and privates are far more.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
2. I think throwing money at Clinton was a bad idea.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:21 PM
Apr 2016

But with the theme of this campaign the context it was being thrown in was very clear. Bad image? Yes. Sexist? No.

The only people who liked it were people who already vehemently oppose Clinton. It changed no minds. Not what one wants in a protest but well done anyway. I have a spot in my heart for people who get out there and do it.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
8. At the least it was tone deaf but no surprising seeing past actions of mostly Sanders supporterss
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:36 PM
Apr 2016

... and their 1% attitude.

Working class people don't throw money to cars

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
10. attitude = actual?! No really, SBS camp has reading issues. Either way, 1% throw money at
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:39 PM
Apr 2016

... cars while working class folk have to pay bills.

 

liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
14. What makes you so sure they aren't working class?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:51 PM
Apr 2016

Because I'm pretty sure if they weren't working class they would be in the Clooney home with Hillary

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
30. Yeap, for the working poor and the working class every dollar is accounted for. For the 1% attitude
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:22 PM
Apr 2016

... they can afford to throw money at machines

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
33. Couldn't you just go pick it back up? It's RIGHT THERE on the road.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:26 PM
Apr 2016

Gotta admit though, I could afford to throw a buck to make an important point, even if I couldn't bend over and pick it back up..

 

timmymoff

(1,947 posts)
53. That makes total sense
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:26 PM
Apr 2016

considering the corporate queen is being outraised by working class people at the clip of $27 a donation. So of course only the elite could throw dollars. Might possibly be the dumbest thing said in DU today, but it's still early.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
56. I have an op on this, if Sanders is not into big money in politics why is he outspending her
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:41 PM
Apr 2016

... by double in states he's losing like NY.

The point isn't to stop getting big money from the rich but to get big money out of poltiics all together ... he's the one that's SPENDING the big money.

That's a good point that he's getting the big money from small donors but so did Obama and you guys hate him as much as Hillary

Baobab

(4,667 posts)
25. Abbie Hoffmann and Jerry Rubin threw money onto the floor of the NYSE to make a similar point.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:07 PM
Apr 2016

The Yippees were hardly part of the 1%

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
31. Good for you.. some working class people have money to waste most don't and the working poor
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:24 PM
Apr 2016

... don't even think like that.

Peregrine Took

(7,414 posts)
65. Tell that to this janitor's daughter...if I were there I would have pitched $$$ in
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:45 PM
Apr 2016

and enjoyed every minute of it.

 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
13. The intensity of the dislike for Hillary is sexist
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:48 PM
Apr 2016

I don't think many people are intentionally racist, homophobic, or sexist, but it certainly exists in society, and I do think that many of the men who dislike Hillary also have mother issues, women issues, welcome the objectification of women on the internet and elsewhere, and in there own small ways have sexist tendencies. Why would the intensity of dislike of Hillary be greater than that for Romney? I think there is some subtle degree of sexism involved. I have never seen the amount of dislike for a candidate of the same party as I see directed at Hillary. It's pretty odd. But, I don't think those sexist Bernie supporters are conscious of what they are doing, just like most Republicans who truly don't think they are racist.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
18. +1, this should be its own OP... this is spot on and back up by data and science. It takes people
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:53 PM
Apr 2016

.. and leadership to stand up to this kind of attitude.

She's one tough girl, I'm starting to get excited about her... she's the grown up

Peregrine Took

(7,414 posts)
66. I'm a woman and all the women I know can't stand her.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:49 PM
Apr 2016

Too much meanness, too much money - all sharp edges - I could never relate to her in a million years.

 

vintx

(1,748 posts)
68. Same.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:53 PM
Apr 2016

The only women I met who support her were at the County convention, and they were all older women. Not that I'm a spring chicken, just saying.

kerry-is-my-prez

(8,133 posts)
69. I've never seen such hatred directed towards another candidate. It makes me sad as a woman
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:17 PM
Apr 2016

near Hillar age to see such disrespect towards someone who looks like me. Haven't really been following the Clooney situation. I have been tuning out a lot during this election. I have been quite familiar with both Sanders and Clinton, however. I liked Bernie a lot before this. I have been disappointed in him lately. Honestly, this election is hurtful to me and has made me feel even more like women in power are just not respected in this society. It's just the extreme amount of hate that bothers me. This is not political, this is downright hate, derision, and disrespect.i feel it's more personal than political.

If Hillary does not win, frankly, I believe that it will be a long time before another woman runs or has a chance to come close to winning.

Haveadream

(1,630 posts)
19. Are people being deliberately obtuse?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:58 PM
Apr 2016

Certain words, phrases and images are insults associated with women and minorities. Using a symbol or language that has historically been used to degrade and oppress targets of discrimination is not the same as when used against someone with whom it is not a traditional slur. This is not a difficult concept.

Understanding that is the difference between staying on message and losing it because you doubly offended people with a narrative weighed down by sexist and racist stereotypes.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
32. Here is what, perhaps, many Hillary supporters do not understand -
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:24 PM
Apr 2016

I am a woman. White, 70, went through a lot of sexist bullshit when I was working.

When I think of Hillary, I think - politician, liar, corporate shill, warhawk, TPP, Social Security, sent children back home to get killed, crooked, compromised by money - at no time do I think of her as a "woman". Hillary being a woman is simply not germane to the conversation. I don't care if she is a woman. I cannot excuse her on the issues because she is a woman. And playing the gender card is, IMO, just another cold and calculated ploy. That is all it is.

She is a politician. That is all she is to me. The sexist stuff just does not exist, because Hillary's gender means nothing to me.
Hope that is clear, and I do believe I am not alone in how I feel.

Haveadream

(1,630 posts)
71. Challenging a woman or a minority candidate
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:26 PM
Apr 2016

using policy arguments is not objectionable. Using stereotypically gendered or racial tropes to make the point is.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
72. The thrown money? Eye of the beholder.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:29 PM
Apr 2016

And eye of those who are constantly on the lookout for anything that can be twisted or bent into being sexist.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
21. It was ridiculous, not sexist.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:02 PM
Apr 2016

However, throwing dollar bills at her a couple days after a Sanders surrogate called her a whore is bad optics.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
22. I remember people being so SHOCKED and OFFENDED that Mitt Romney paid taxes at "only"
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:03 PM
Apr 2016

the FOURTEEN percent rate.

Which, FWIW, is more than 13.4 percent....

QC

(26,371 posts)
24. Mitt had $13,696,951 in income.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:06 PM
Apr 2016

That's about seven times what Bernie made.

Democrats used to support progressive taxation. I guess now it's a bad thing.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
26. Well, progressive taxation is fine and dandy, but when someone who makes a third or a fourth
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:11 PM
Apr 2016

of what "Bernie" made pays more in taxes, then the point is NOT made.

Sanders, like Romney, took advantage of the "rich get richer" aspect of the US Internal Revenue process.

I wonder if he'll ever release his 2015 taxes....or everything going back to his first days in the Senate in 06.

I'll bet he doesn't.

 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
39. So Bernie is a corrupt 1% with his "vast fortune"...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:51 PM
Apr 2016

While the 150 million dollars Clinton has made are hard earned money hardly enough to get by with so she has a tax haven in Delaware?

The double standard is stunning.

Bernie's 13.4% tax is a huge scandal while Hillary's speeches to Wall Street shall not be scrutinized.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
42. Well, that post is a total invention, especially the Delaware thing.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:56 PM
Apr 2016

An account that is created to hold money briefly (literally, for moments) before it is routed to its final destination is not a "tax haven." But do keep flailing.

 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
47. Why don't you Hillarysplain her little tax haven...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:05 PM
Apr 2016

her donations from Saudis who later got arms deals...?

That is so funny trying to smear Bernie with his 140 000 taxable dollars per yer while trying to downplay the "measly millions" that Hillary places in Delaware.

Love this Hillarsplanations while barking at Bernie as if he was an intruder just to spoil to coronation of the queen of neoliberalism and money in politics.

My post was to point out the absurd rationale people have for corrupt politicians with and failed foreign policy stances, feeding the private prison industry conveniently with the "superpredators" Hillary supporters are now splaining to us never had racial undertones.

Reading the rationale of Hillary and her minions are sources for great comedy.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
62. LOL @ "tax haven." Tax havens are in the Caymans--where Bernie's stuff must be, the way he's
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:36 PM
Apr 2016

hiding those tax returns!!!!

A holding account in Delaware (American State, you see--in case you are uncertain) that is used to pass money from point A to point B is not a "haven."

LOL at you for trying so hard, though.

 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
63. Ah!
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:42 PM
Apr 2016

So it's a transit place for money Hillary and her fellow republicans don't want Uncle Sam to know about.






The old pirates of the Carribean seems more honest than the scammers in DNC, DLC and GOP...

 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
67. So what news outlet is acceptable to you?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:52 PM
Apr 2016

New York Daily News?
WaPo?
CNN?
MSNBC?



Off course, by discarding RT America just because they report on something that the 4 above would never touch with a torch on fire makes you just as credible as Hillary herself.

Congrats on the voter suppression and voter disenfranchisment as well as alienation. I'm sure those tactics will be useful in the GE with the same voter block as the target.

Your smear campaign against the only clean candidate since Carter have worked out so well for you.


Edit:

Wonder if you consider these polls as credible.

I wonder how Hillary ranks on the scale in comparison..

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511782761

MADem

(135,425 posts)
73. RT is Russian Propaganda, and everyone knows it. The only people who flog it and know better
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:36 PM
Apr 2016

are those tools employed by Pootie to troll in these parts. The ones who flog it and don't know better have been told, and if they refuse to learn, they are willfully obtuse.

Not sure why you're portentously waving an AJ video at me while cheerleading RT....LOL.

 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
74. That's not what I asked...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:40 PM
Apr 2016

I asked what YOU found to be more credible news sources.

Besides, I only thought I'd hear "Russian propaganda" BS from republicans.

Only shows how insanely far right the democrats have actually moved and still dare to link themselves to the party of FDR and JFK...¨

So why don't you "splain" things for me how you think that tax havens for tax evadors are a good thing?
And what makes you think that the Clinton's have their moral compass in order when having money in the same place as many of their tax evading donors?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
75. Pretty much anything not flogged by Vladimir Putin or Rush Limbaugh will do.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:18 PM
Apr 2016

And if you don't know what RT is all about, you'd best learn.

What's all this "far right" shit you're shopping? Who are YOU--with your Putin loving sources--to talking about what's right wing?

Say hi to your pals in the Kremlin.

 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
77. Only republicans and RWers think...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:41 PM
Apr 2016

That Putin has any editorial power over an entity operating in USA......
And if you think that whatever MSM sources are more credible than a story on tax havens because of the name, I have no hope whatsoever for the American public. You have sunk so low that you can only buy into cheap soundbytes by the same media that has brainwashed you the last 30 years.
And now we see the pathetic strawmen about "loving Puting" for using RT as source.

I also watch the Big Picture with Thom Hartmann, Redacted Tonight, and Watching the Hawks. They must all suckle at the tits of Kremlin, right?
Can I understand that "anytthing but RT" also means "better with Bill O'Reilly than Thom Hartmann" is the attitude here?
i think I know the media better than you. I have written for media.
And guess what! RT is far more credible as news source than Chris Matthews and Scarborough. I have watched them all. And Matthews lost credibility with me ever since he berated Bill Donahue for not beating the war drums for Bush. For many years, I thought he was republican. Witnessing the people who actually believes in his drivel, the way they vote, and their rhetoric, I wasn't wrong.

Like I said, Hillary supporters mighty as well call themselves republicans since they eat at the same trough as their fellow repubicans - the corporate trough. Your rhetoric can be confused as being all republican, since only republicans use your kind of language towards a station that has a story you don't like. Unfortunately, reality is a bit different from the la-la land of upper class, white privilege that most Hillary supporters enjoy without consequences for their poor judgement of candidates.

P.S.

GOP has had a love affair with Putin. They apparently get weak in their panties for an authoritarian nationalist who wants to use government to dictate morality and have the same geopolitical aspirations as some corporate democrats and all republicans.


 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
80. Why do you deny who you really are?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:16 AM
Apr 2016

It will only give you an ulcer if you do!
I don't see any relevance to the actual story but your obsession ab out Putin s if that is going to invalidate the fact in the story.

Prefering FOX "News" over Thom Hartmann because RT makes you a RWer, I presume you were serious when you said "anyone but RT nd Rush Limbaugh, that you are equally consistent when I put up Sean Hannity and Thom Hartmann from RT are being put up against each other.

Do you stand by your statement?

Or are you too gleefully busy in trying to discredit the source because the story hits s bit too close to home for the comfort of your infallible and incorruptible St. Hillary whose 150 million $ in Wall Street money has never influenced her policies?

Ah! The naivitè of some people. Are more focused on BS non issues, and blows them up in to make the bad bits they don't like to disappear. I call it living in denial.

 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
84. Oh cry me a river!
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:02 AM
Apr 2016

So far, you have shown me nothing but RW tendenices and have not debunked any of my assumptions Instead you just strengthen my suspisions that the democratic has turned so far right that the average voter have lost the gyroscope on the policital landscape competely.¨¨
This political compass will give you a clue where in the political landscape people who supports belong to by proxy through your candiate!


https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016

Anyone supporting Hillary's actions in Libya, Syria, Honduras, Iraq and the "Patriot" Act should not call themselves liberal, nor progressve. Anyone who calls black kids super-predators for then to take millions of dollars from bankers who wrecked the economy is not a progressive. Anyone who supports this are not progressive.
Anyone who goes to AIPAC to suck up to Netanyahu and his war mongerers and ignore the Palestinians are not progressive.


Being progressive is more than cause celebre for the day, whether it's LGBT rights or PoC. It's also about a wrecked economy, income ineauality, voting rights, the right to unionize and actually walk the walk. It's more than a cheap talking point on a stump speech. It's daily actions, attitudes and spevific policies one chooses to support on a daily basis made by your elected officials (who would have taken large corporate sums and have more time for that donor than a measly voter whose usefullness was gone after the ballot has been cast.
While Bernie stumps together with union workers, Hillary dines with their corporate owners. Not very progressive.
She says she is for immigrants, but want to send kids back to the drug war, the death squads and military regimes she helpd prop up! She can afford bombing people to pieces, but there are no room for the victims in her "progressive tent". It's filled up with corporate donors.

Anyone not supporting fracking, TPP, money in politics, illegal wars, imprisonment for flag burning, govt. spying, punishing whistleblowers, sleazy dog whistle campaigns and Karl Rove like surrogates in a super PAC shouldn't call themselves liberal nor progressive.
And unlike spineless "democrats" who ran away from the term in the 90s, I have carried the term Liberal as a badge of honor and as a spiritual legacy from a highly liberal and beloved grandfather (RIP).

And this veteran will not support or advocate for any candidate with a policy wrap sheet as hers, and I find it strange that the ones supporting this call themselves liberals or progressive. Some Hillary supporters have spoken up against young democratic voters and come to the defense of "good citizens" as Loyd Blankfein, Albright and Kissinger as victims of "leftists who hates rich people for having money.
I will not vote for anyone who goes after whistleblowers and protect the real criminals who sent kids to kill or be killed for a morally nefarious cause.

If you look policy to policy and compare them to republican policies, you will find that Hillary is far closer to GOP than Bernie ever has been. Unlike her, he has never voted together with GOP against progressive principles. Bernie has always caucused with the dems. And now, petty Estblishment democrats do not want his support nor his LEFTIST voters....And the term "sexist" is flying from the Hillary camp at every chance they get. Bernie goes to Rome? He must be anti-LGBT since the pope is not a fan! Bernie must be racist! He doesn''t resonate with AA voters the same way as Hillary does! Her pandering skills have improved.

"You can fool some people some times, but you can't fool all the people all the time, cause now we see the light, we better stand up for our rights"....

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
34. Effective protest, no sexism. Didn't even think of that till the next day when it was
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:32 PM
Apr 2016

mentioned here.

Maybe it's been WAY too long since I've been at a strip club, but even so - Hillary???
EWW.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
79. They were making a point about money, so they threw money. The faux conflation is bullshit.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:59 PM
Apr 2016

It's about the money. They threw money. And it is fucking hilarious.

 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
36. Honestly, the first thing I though of when I saw the video was the 'corporate whore' remarks, so yes
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:36 PM
Apr 2016

I did think it was related to her gender.

That said, you all are good at arguing, and when I read the less vitriolic comments, I can see your point. What we'll never know is what was in the minds of those that actually arranged the stunt.

procon

(15,805 posts)
40. Yeah.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:52 PM
Apr 2016

Doubling down on calling any woman something offensive and demeaning as the term 'whore' is just as much a sexist slur as shouting the n-word at a black person is a racist slur.

It makes no difference that the protesters might have been behind the Occupy Movement, those people have made some very poor decisions that have been well publicized, so there is no bragging right that earn them a free pass. There is nothing inaccurate or belittling in tagging Mitt Romney to corporate monied interests, and if protesters had done the same thing to Clinton, I'd have no argument.

But they didn't stop at campaign money, yeah? They lowered the bar and based their attack on her gender, an unchangeable characteristic that a plurality of down ballot Democratic candidates and a majority of women voters identify with. THAT is what makes this demeaning tactic a mockery of the Progressive Movement.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
59. Stupid, bad optics, and sexist all in one neat package. Bernie has a PAC himself...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:57 PM
Apr 2016

With Citizens United, unless you play the number$ game you will lose. Hillary has no intention of losing, and she is playing very much within the law as it stands today.

CU only gets overturned at the SCOTUS level -- the POTUS can't do this, or Obama would have "vetoed" it. Seriously, the president can't do this. All the prez can do is appoint new justices if someone retires or dies, and that's with a willing honest Congress, which we do not have right now.

Which brings us to the freaking down-ballot races. The Clooney fundraiser specifically will benefit mostly down-ballot races, which need $$$$$ to run campaigns too, and Hillary is the Name that got the donors there.

You Remember what St Bernard of the Clean Hands said when asked if he was going to share his campaign chest with down-ballot Democratic candidates? Remember?

"We'll see."

Whatta guy.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
61. I hate to tell you this
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:01 PM
Apr 2016

buy you are falling into their game by even questioning this.

Just ignore it. It's troll bait.

brooklynite

(94,591 posts)
82. Sexist? no. Naive? Yes.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:30 AM
Apr 2016

George Clooney was eloquent about why the money needs to be raised. Sanders hasn't offered an explanation of how he'll raise the money that HE and the Party will need for a GE.

Beacool

(30,249 posts)
83. No, but I do think that it was foolish.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:31 AM
Apr 2016

Protesting a fundraiser where the money was mostly going to the DNC and the states for their candidates?

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