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lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:37 PM Apr 2016

In New York, you had to have registered as a party member by October 9

in order to vote in that party's primary. I think we can all benefit from more information and less bombast. I don't see what's so difficult about understanding the process. Yes, the state comptroller will review it all and make some recommendations. That will take a long time. I believe a judge ruled this afternoon to audit or look into the matter of people complaining they weren't 'allowed' to vote in Brooklyn and other places in New York. I'm sure some things can be done to improve voting situations everywhere. But there's also little that can be done to cure apathy and self-righteous ignorance.

A lot of people love going on and on about how proud they are to be an 'independent.' That's all fine and dandy. But in some states like New York, which has closed primaries, that means you can't vote in a party's primary.

I'm not trying to diminish anyone's right to vote. I'm for voting in any and all elections - local, state, congressional, federal, and presidential elections! I'm sometimes stunned and amazed by the abject stupidity of people who think it's all the fault of someone else if they don't do basic things like have their ducks lined up for voting, or value the importance of voting in midterm elections or have their car insurance and registration updated or file their taxes. Really basic things. I've gotten now where I just read and laugh sometimes by the foolishness and entitlement issues involved with people who yammer on here day in and day out about politics and don't even grasp the simplest things about their own responsibilities of being informed and staying involved. If they don't care enough to take care of their own business it makes me laugh when they rage against everyone else all the time.

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In New York, you had to have registered as a party member by October 9 (Original Post) lovemydog Apr 2016 OP
I shed no tears apcalc Apr 2016 #1
Exactly. auntpurl Apr 2016 #2
+ eleventy billion Lucinda Apr 2016 #16
Yeah, there was also a lot of redistricting in NYC- polling places moved so people who were bettyellen Apr 2016 #3
The establishment loves people like you RobertEarl Apr 2016 #4
I believe Democrats should choose the candidate of the Democratic Party auntpurl Apr 2016 #5
That's the way it WORKED RobertEarl Apr 2016 #10
Who put you in charge again? anigbrowl Apr 2016 #20
Please apcalc Apr 2016 #6
The government works for everyone RobertEarl Apr 2016 #12
Actually, you sound more tea partyesque lovemydog Apr 2016 #15
No RobertEarl Apr 2016 #17
Yeah get back to me on that one anigbrowl Apr 2016 #22
There ya go RobertEarl Apr 2016 #26
IT's not exactly something I have any control over anigbrowl Apr 2016 #43
You can vote ! apcalc Apr 2016 #25
The revolution decides RobertEarl Apr 2016 #27
It's ridiculous that it was before the first debate jfern Apr 2016 #7
Absolutely! JudyM Apr 2016 #8
And of course apcalc Apr 2016 #9
So get involved and help change the rules. lovemydog Apr 2016 #13
Authoritarian dirty rotten disenfranchising tactics. 99Forever Apr 2016 #11
Sanders and Clinton agree on 90% of liberal policies. lovemydog Apr 2016 #14
Bullshit. I have no idea what Clinton actually believes, if anything at all. 99Forever Apr 2016 #19
Well you also seem to think Clinton is responsible for the voter registration rules in NY anigbrowl Apr 2016 #24
You can easily find out what she believes by the work she's done lovemydog Apr 2016 #38
We all have a right under federal law to free speech, but Hortensis Apr 2016 #33
What the fuck are you yammering on about? 99Forever Apr 2016 #35
I wonder if all this 'no excuses' bullshit applies RedCappedBandit Apr 2016 #18
Exactly beedle Apr 2016 #23
This has nothing to do with voter suppression. apcalc Apr 2016 #28
Rules that decrease turnout don't equal voter suppression. Gotcha! RedCappedBandit Apr 2016 #32
I don't think NY's state comptroller has any duties related to elections. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #21
I read it in The Guardian. lovemydog Apr 2016 #41
Indeed mcar Apr 2016 #29
the bernie or busters get til OCT 14 to register in NY to vote in the general nt msongs Apr 2016 #30
Open primaries in every state or same day registration bigwillq Apr 2016 #31
Exactly! Seeing how independents will have a say in the general election, B Calm Apr 2016 #34
That's not entirely true... mak3cats Apr 2016 #36
Thanks. lovemydog Apr 2016 #42
The title of your OP is not correct or at least isn't complete SFnomad Apr 2016 #37
Oh, that's pretty cool. Thanks! lovemydog Apr 2016 #39
Yep ... that is correct. n/t SFnomad Apr 2016 #40

apcalc

(4,465 posts)
1. I shed no tears
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:39 PM
Apr 2016

For the Indies who did not change their registration in time. I changed mine LAST SUMMER from Indie to Democrat.

You do know there is a presidential election coming up, right?

Sorry, no excuses.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
2. Exactly.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:41 PM
Apr 2016

I understood by the time I was a pre-teen that I would have to register with a party in order to vote in the primaries when I turned 18. PA's voter laws have always been the same, so nothing surprised me when I turned 18 and registered to vote. Do the protesting Bernie supporters not have parents or loved ones who've previously voted in their state's primary? Has no one ever told them that if you live in a state with a closed primary, you have to pick a party in order to vote in the primaries?

Even if I were the furthest left greenie liberal (and I'm not) it would be pretty obvious to me that the Democratic party represent me MORE than the Republican party. So if I lived in a closed primary state and wanted to be able to get involved in left-leaning politics, I'd register as a Democrat even if I didn't privately identify as one. It's not complicated.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
16. + eleventy billion
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:14 PM
Apr 2016

Exactly. It's not rocket science. I cannot see any reason why a progressive would EVER vote R- so in a closed state the obvious choice would be to register as a D.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
3. Yeah, there was also a lot of redistricting in NYC- polling places moved so people who were
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:41 PM
Apr 2016

not careful showed up at the wrong place. Or the poll workers looked in the wrong books. A lot of people who jumped to the conclusion they were off the books were wrong.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
4. The establishment loves people like you
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:41 PM
Apr 2016

They set arbitrary rules meant to limit voting and people like you like it. Real democrats are not against having open elections and giving everyone the right to vote.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
5. I believe Democrats should choose the candidate of the Democratic Party
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:46 PM
Apr 2016

You can say I'm not a real Democrat all you want, but I've been voting a straight Dem ticket since 1992 when I turned 18 and I'll be voting a straight Dem ticket until the day I die. I am a proud member of the Democratic party, I've donated to the Democratic party, and I want to be able to choose (with all the other Democrats) our party's candidate. Then everyone else gets a say in the GE. That's the way it works.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
10. That's the way it WORKED
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:58 PM
Apr 2016

And that's why republicans run the show. Just how the establishment likes it.

That is coming to an end. From now on everyone gets a chance to vote for those on the ballot. That and only that is the true American way. The old ways are dead!

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
20. Who put you in charge again?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:24 PM
Apr 2016

You seem awfully anxious to appoint yourself the decision-maker on these issues. I don't recall asking you to speak for me.

apcalc

(4,465 posts)
6. Please
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 05:48 PM
Apr 2016

It is the responsibility of the voter to find out how to proceed. Anyone can google it and find out dates.
Ignorance is no excuse. Find out what the procedure is and follow it.

Don't come whining after the fact.
If you didn't register in time it is your own fault.






 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
12. The government works for everyone
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:02 PM
Apr 2016

It exists to ensure no taxation without due representation.

The current set up, enforced in just a few old world power states, is dead, thanks to the Bernie revolution. From now on everyone gets to vote. Enjoy this last bitter fruit of exclusion for it has now met its match via the revolution.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
15. Actually, you sound more tea partyesque
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:12 PM
Apr 2016

than I do. Voter involvement is a two-way street. It's not all someone else's fault if you refuse to properly register to vote. Your posts in this thread remind me of the folks in the tea party with signs that read: 'Get your government hands off my Medicare!'

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
17. No
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:16 PM
Apr 2016

You are projecting your worst fears. Your posts remind me of the teabaggers who hate inclusion and only want the world to turn their way.

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
22. Yeah get back to me on that one
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:27 PM
Apr 2016

I pay taxes but I can't vote, and oddly enough none of the political campaigns have shown the slightest interest in me, although one has more specific proposals than the other for people in my situation and so gets my vicarious support. Ho hum.

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
43. IT's not exactly something I have any control over
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:26 PM
Apr 2016

since I have no way to vote. So I'll just continue subsidizing you freeloaders and rolling my eyes.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
27. The revolution decides
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:35 PM
Apr 2016

From now on it's 'Everyone In'.

No more of the 'If you look like that or don't register our way we push you out'. That''s the old politics that the revolution is killing.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
13. So get involved and help change the rules.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:08 PM
Apr 2016

The Sanders campaign had to have known this and should have informed everyone six months ago, or the individuals should have spread the word and helped their friends and others get registered properly.

I guess I was lucky in that I informed myself about voting a while back. I've always registered as a democrat wherever I've lived because I want to vote in all primaries. I usually vote for the most progressive candidate on the ballot. I especially enjoy voting in local elections and have often voted for green and socialist party candidates if I feel the democrat is too conservative or corporate for my taste. Some of them have gotten elected and done great things like opposing more development in areas that don't need it, and supporting a living wage higher than the federal and state minimum.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
11. Authoritarian dirty rotten disenfranchising tactics.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:01 PM
Apr 2016

They're not just for Teabaggers any more.

And these clowns think they somehow talk those they fucked over today into voting for the candidate who instrumented fucking them over come next November? Seriously?

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahhaha...




Yeah...


... that's fucking gonna happen.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
14. Sanders and Clinton agree on 90% of liberal policies.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:10 PM
Apr 2016

If you think there's no difference between either of them and right wing republicans you're the fool, not me.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
19. Bullshit. I have no idea what Clinton actually believes, if anything at all.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:23 PM
Apr 2016

Clinton flip flops like a school of fish out of water.

She's told so many lies any one who believes a word she says, is not just a fool, they are a blind fucking fool.




 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
24. Well you also seem to think Clinton is responsible for the voter registration rules in NY
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:29 PM
Apr 2016

So I'm not too exercised about your opinion on this.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
38. You can easily find out what she believes by the work she's done
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:29 PM
Apr 2016

and her entire policy platform at her web site.

Right wing sound bites don't tell you much so I thought it would be nice to give you more of a head's up.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
33. We all have a right under federal law to free speech, but
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:11 PM
Apr 2016

but we also have a duty as citizens to educate and be honest with ourselves. Citizenship is not supposed to be an excuse for acting out of hostility. That's what walls and window glass are for.

It is sometimes not just okay not to vote but even the more responsible thing.

RedCappedBandit

(5,514 posts)
18. I wonder if all this 'no excuses' bullshit applies
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:18 PM
Apr 2016

when red states do everything in their power to suppress voter turnout.

 

beedle

(1,235 posts)
23. Exactly
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:28 PM
Apr 2016

It's right there in black and white, you need to be able to pass this reading comprehension test in order to vote. You had 18 years to learn how to read, no excuses.

The least they could do is take "Democratic" out of their name.

LiberalFighter

(50,942 posts)
21. I don't think NY's state comptroller has any duties related to elections.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:25 PM
Apr 2016

His duties are focused on financial matters.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
41. I read it in The Guardian.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:41 PM
Apr 2016

Thanks for the extra information. I was wondering about it too. Here's the clip from The Guardian:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/apr/19/new-york-independent-voter-registration-frustration-sanders-democratic-primary

By Tuesday afternoon, New York City comptroller Scott Stringer had ordered an audit of the operations of the city’s election board after it confirmed that more than 125,000 voters in Brooklyn had been removed from voter rolls. In a letter addressed to Michael Ryan, director of the state Board of Elections, Stringer expressed “deep concern over widespread reports of poll site problems and irregularities” as voters cast their ballots at polling stations across the city.

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“As a result of today’s reported irregularities, my office will be auditing the management and operations of the Board of Elections in order to identify failings and make recommendations to improve performance going forward,” Stringer wrote in the letter. “As I am sure you would agree, whether you are a Democrat or a Republican, all New Yorkers deserve an electoral system that is free, fair and efficient – not one riddled with chaos and confusion.”

New York mayor Bill de Blasio said the “numerous errors” in voter rolls in Brooklyn were evidence that major reforms were needed to the election board and state law.

 

bigwillq

(72,790 posts)
31. Open primaries in every state or same day registration
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 06:41 PM
Apr 2016

They should make it easier for people to vote. October 9? I'm sure many people didn't know who they were going to vote for on Oct 9. At least extend deadline until a month before a primary.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
34. Exactly! Seeing how independents will have a say in the general election,
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:15 PM
Apr 2016

and will be voting for the nominee that the party nominates, it makes sense that they should have a say in who that nominee that they are voting for is. A closed primary is limiting political freedom, period!

mak3cats

(1,573 posts)
36. That's not entirely true...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:24 PM
Apr 2016

...someone not previously registered could do so up to March 25th. The October deadline was for anyone wanting to change affiliation from one party (or none) to another. I don't have a problem with unaffiliated voters not being able to vote in the primary because that's the election law currently. I do have a problem, however, with registered voters being purged from the party rolls due to inactivity without their knowledge or consent, or any notice. And that's what needs looking into.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
42. Thanks.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:43 PM
Apr 2016

Yes, it does need looking into.

I hope for more inclusion all the way around.

CNN is reporting that some of the folks who were purged hadn't voted in the last two presidential elections. I'm not sure if this is true.

I do agree with the mayor that more inclusion is better!

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
37. The title of your OP is not correct or at least isn't complete
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:24 PM
Apr 2016

In NY, if you are changing to the Democratic Party you needed to change your registration by Oct 9th to be able to vote in this primary.

If you were not registered at all, you had until Mar 25th to submit your new registration, which could have stated a party affiliation, including Democrat. And you still would have been able to vote in this primary.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
39. Oh, that's pretty cool. Thanks!
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:32 PM
Apr 2016


If you weren't registered in New York you had until March 25 to submit your registration and if you had stated you were registering as a democrat you would have been able to vote in this primary!
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