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bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:04 PM Apr 2016

72% say Clinton Energized the Party, 64% Say Sanders Did

Interesting demographics coming in. Will add more from the tweets from Benchmark.

https://twitter.com/benchmarkpol/with_replies

Benchmark Politics ?@benchmarkpol 4m4 minutes ago
Polls had Clinton splitting the white vote 50%/50%. With 75% with AAs and 57% with hispanics, projection right now would be 55%-45%.


Black voters: 75% Clinton - 25% Sanders

Clinton winning hispanics 57%-43%.

From the exit polls we don't know her floor, but her ceiling is probably 62%

Our predicted benchmark is Clinton 57% Sanders 43% from a week ago and we still feel confident in that benchmark


NY Dem electorate (first wave of exits):

White 62%
Black 21%
Latino 13%
Asian 1%


MSNBC reports: 64% would be excited or optimistic with Clinton as president.

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72% say Clinton Energized the Party, 64% Say Sanders Did (Original Post) bettyellen Apr 2016 OP
Interesting numbers... timlot Apr 2016 #1
I think I did too initially, but shit suddenly got too negative toward all Dems and it smells bettyellen Apr 2016 #4
And you obviously did not see the negatives coming from Hill camp? passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #7
I didn't say that. I am talking about the candidate- not the "campers"- especially not here, LOL. bettyellen Apr 2016 #12
His negatives compared to Hillary are very minor. Her negatives from day one passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #20
Yet no politicians ever win without achieving high negatives, and she is winning.... bettyellen Apr 2016 #22
I saw it here with my own eyes, passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #23
Claiming the did not value the black vote is NOT calling him a racist, and pretty fucking offensive. bettyellen Apr 2016 #27
That's not why he was called a racist. passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #35
never saw a single person here say he was a racist. I am sure there was one- but dozens of people bettyellen Apr 2016 #43
Yeaaaaaah... northernsouthern Apr 2016 #63
I am not even looking at the stupid video, since we were specifically talking about DU. bettyellen Apr 2016 #64
You were talking about the phrasing. northernsouthern Apr 2016 #65
Nope, I was clearly talking about things that were said here. bettyellen Apr 2016 #69
Hmmmmm.... northernsouthern Apr 2016 #71
his omissions were noted often here on this website, from the moment it went up. bettyellen Apr 2016 #74
You lost me there northernsouthern Apr 2016 #86
It's been non stop since day one Ned_Devine Apr 2016 #28
saying he ignored POC is NOT calling him a racist. That was ignorant and offensive. bettyellen Apr 2016 #37
Ok Ned_Devine Apr 2016 #67
Yes, it has...along with racist. passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #41
So, you think high negative are necessary to win? passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #52
No, I think it is partially a consequence of being seen as a successful politician.... bettyellen Apr 2016 #56
You got a link and quote for that?! tia uponit7771 Apr 2016 #49
To me Sanders crossed the line when he called Hillary not qualified to be president. Beacool Apr 2016 #14
Like that was NOT a response to her calling him unqualified. passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #21
When did she call him unqualified? Sanders said she called him unqualified, it was not correct. Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #32
Yes she did. She is very good at nasty and untrue attacks. She knows just how to do it. passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #38
Where is the link where she said he was unqualified, the WAPO article was not correct, so get one Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #44
She never had to say those exact words to get her point across. passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #55
I knew she never said he was unqualified, yes I knew she did not say it, but you stated she said it. Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #58
Sorry, but you are wrong passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #62
Well, she said that he hadn't done his homework all american girl Apr 2016 #89
Link and quote? tia uponit7771 Apr 2016 #50
She never did first, there's no amount of gas lighting you guys can do to change reality uponit7771 Apr 2016 #33
As the WI results were coming in, her campaign conveyed a message to CNN that was read on the air - JudyM Apr 2016 #73
She never called him unqualified. Beacool Apr 2016 #78
You wanna go there? passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #79
Keep twisting yourself like a pretzel. Beacool Apr 2016 #80
No twisting necessary. We are pretty smart and see what people imply, not just that which they say. passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #84
It's not her job to run his campaign and praise him. all american girl Apr 2016 #90
You are so far off base here, I don't even know how to reply passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #92
If he did consider her to be qualified... Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #82
+1, the "we'll see" remark he made about raising funds for down ballot dems = full of shit uponit7771 Apr 2016 #29
Huh. You mean that my excitement over my candidate counts even Squinch Apr 2016 #2
BUT BERNIES CROWDS ARE SO YOOOOOUUUUGEEEE!!!!!!! Gomez163 Apr 2016 #3
Yes, very interesting. Thanks, BettyEllen. Hortensis Apr 2016 #5
You're welcome! I just added another two tweets. bettyellen Apr 2016 #6
Would be interesting to think what INDEPENDENTS think... Herman4747 Apr 2016 #8
Herman, since Bernie wants NY independents, Hortensis Apr 2016 #10
Thanks for telling me. PyaarRevolution Apr 2016 #51
? Sure. Hortensis Apr 2016 #60
Here, just for you: Herman4747 Apr 2016 #88
So exciting! ridgenvalley Apr 2016 #9
Agism, agism!!! Lol. Here's something to Hortensis Apr 2016 #11
Ah, you're probably right. ridgenvalley Apr 2016 #17
Sod off with the ageism chit. grossproffit Apr 2016 #16
Ouch. ridgenvalley Apr 2016 #18
I try not to swear. Thank you for apologizing. grossproffit Apr 2016 #59
...among those not blocked from voting. hellofromreddit Apr 2016 #13
They blocked themselves. Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #46
That's a lie hellofromreddit Apr 2016 #53
de Blasio is a Clinton lackey, ain't 'e? Fawke Em Apr 2016 #68
Nice! workinclasszero Apr 2016 #15
Thanks for this! radical noodle Apr 2016 #19
Energized us not to support her. PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #24
in the caucuses? bettyellen Apr 2016 #31
ever PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #34
lol... "us" who? Clinton's winning very diverse states and the "us" is with Sanders uponit7771 Apr 2016 #39
People on the left hand side of the political spectrum. PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #42
lol... NY is a "deep south" state too!? Come on uponit7771 Apr 2016 #47
No, but there is a lot big money in the city. PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #48
Sanders outspent Clinton 2 to 1 (MSNBC 4:50pm Central), he's the one with "big money" even uponit7771 Apr 2016 #54
ugh PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #57
Black voters: 75% Clinton - 25% Sanders DCBob Apr 2016 #25
New York is part of the deep south now... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #40
Somewhere a lot of dynamite went boom !!! uponit7771 Apr 2016 #26
Whatever. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #30
Other than speculation do you have any proof that's its a lie? tia uponit7771 Apr 2016 #45
I'm not your aunt, but I can see with my own eyes. Fawke Em Apr 2016 #61
Yep and that would be votes and delegates for her!!!!! all american girl Apr 2016 #91
The voting results show she energizes the party more, she has more votes. Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #36
energized me reddread Apr 2016 #66
We sure as hell need the energy Aerows Apr 2016 #70
I am wondering if she is "energizing voters" because the GOP is such a shit show. bettyellen Apr 2016 #72
Just when I think the universe Aerows Apr 2016 #75
Tell me about it! Ugh- Trump is speaking soon. bettyellen Apr 2016 #76
He's a "Hey Mister" Aerows Apr 2016 #77
I will be proud when women ruin his fucking chances entirely in November. bettyellen Apr 2016 #81
Bernie energized me, but not in a good way! ecstatic Apr 2016 #83
+ a million Number23 Apr 2016 #85
Most Democrats didn't bother to vote. GeorgeGist Apr 2016 #87
Oh, come on. This is really something from "The Onion," isn't it? Vinca Apr 2016 #93
 

timlot

(456 posts)
1. Interesting numbers...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:06 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary supporter, but I'll admit I find Bernie's campaign to be more energizing.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
4. I think I did too initially, but shit suddenly got too negative toward all Dems and it smells
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:09 PM
Apr 2016

like sour grapes, and I think it is bad for November. Slamming Planned Parenthood was a turning point for me. I thought it was as stupid as it was just....bitter.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
7. And you obviously did not see the negatives coming from Hill camp?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:22 PM
Apr 2016

Come on people, there has been ugly shit coming from both sides, and it's your preference that determines how you perceive it.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
12. I didn't say that. I am talking about the candidate- not the "campers"- especially not here, LOL.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:39 PM
Apr 2016

I think SBS was doing better before he started to go negative. To me, he is burning too many bridges with the broad brush attacks on other Dems and "establishment" people. I give him a lot of credit for resisting a negative campaign, credit that I could never extend to people here on ether side of it.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
20. His negatives compared to Hillary are very minor. Her negatives from day one
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:51 PM
Apr 2016

calling him racist and sexist have been beyond acceptable.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
22. Yet no politicians ever win without achieving high negatives, and she is winning....
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:56 PM
Apr 2016

She never called him a racist. People here were lied about with claims they called SBS racist. Never seen such bullshit.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
23. I saw it here with my own eyes,
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:57 PM
Apr 2016

it was not bullshit. Claiming he didn't value the black vote, ad nauseum.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
27. Claiming the did not value the black vote is NOT calling him a racist, and pretty fucking offensive.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:00 PM
Apr 2016

He had not one word in his stump speeches or website about womens reproductive rights or issues important to POC- for at least three weeks. Nothing. Anyone who said so was accused of calling him a racist or worse. That was a big fuck up.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
43. never saw a single person here say he was a racist. I am sure there was one- but dozens of people
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:05 PM
Apr 2016

were accused of saying it for exactly that reason. I saw it, and it was fucking stupid.

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
63. Yeaaaaaah...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:29 PM
Apr 2016

And this doesn't value the black president...



And when I say that I am saying she is a racist.
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
64. I am not even looking at the stupid video, since we were specifically talking about DU.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:30 PM
Apr 2016

But...thanks!

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
65. You were talking about the phrasing.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:32 PM
Apr 2016

Phrasing is something that is more language based and less specific forum based. Also are you sure she is not a member here?

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
71. Hmmmmm....
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:52 PM
Apr 2016
Claiming the did not value the black vote is NOT calling him a racist, and pretty fucking offensive.

He had not one word in his stump speeches or website about womens reproductive rights or issues important to POC- for at least three weeks. Nothing. Anyone who said so was accused of calling him a racist or worse. That was a big fuck up.


Is his website and his speeches on the website?
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
74. his omissions were noted often here on this website, from the moment it went up.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:01 PM
Apr 2016

and when people noted it- the response was to deny he was racist- when no one said he was racist. that went on for weeks.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
37. saying he ignored POC is NOT calling him a racist. That was ignorant and offensive.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:03 PM
Apr 2016

As were the organized attacks on POC here.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
56. No, I think it is partially a consequence of being seen as a successful politician....
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:13 PM
Apr 2016

Rachel Maddow was just talking about how odd- but true- this has been in polling.

Beacool

(30,249 posts)
14. To me Sanders crossed the line when he called Hillary not qualified to be president.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:42 PM
Apr 2016

That really angered me. He clarified his statement later on saying that he was referring to her policies, but too late. When you say that the most qualified person in many years to run for president is not qualified to do the job, then you're off the rails. It was particularly grating because that person also happened to be a woman, and as any woman or minority knows full well, the incline of the ladder we have to climb seems always steeper than for white men.


passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
21. Like that was NOT a response to her calling him unqualified.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:53 PM
Apr 2016

Please people, even if you can't be honest with us, be honest with yourselves.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
38. Yes she did. She is very good at nasty and untrue attacks. She knows just how to do it.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:03 PM
Apr 2016

She has had lots of practice.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
44. Where is the link where she said he was unqualified, the WAPO article was not correct, so get one
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:06 PM
Apr 2016

which shows she said he was unqualified. As I said Sanders said she said it, it was not true, he had to back track.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
58. I knew she never said he was unqualified, yes I knew she did not say it, but you stated she said it.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:14 PM
Apr 2016

See, a talking point gone array.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
62. Sorry, but you are wrong
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:23 PM
Apr 2016

She called him unqualified (not she said he was) by implying he was.

You know exactly what I mean. It doesn't matter if it's implied or outright spoken. The listeners get the gist of what is being implied.

He never actually called her unqualified either. He said if she does these things she is unqualified.

But go ahead and keep your narrative going. I know it's all you've got.


all american girl

(1,788 posts)
89. Well, she said that he hadn't done his homework
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:16 AM
Apr 2016

and he goes and proves her right by reading a headline and not the story....and guess what, she NEVER said that. Now if you are mad because she didn't sing his praises, well he can do his own campaigning. That's not her job. She's a bit busy.

JudyM

(29,250 posts)
73. As the WI results were coming in, her campaign conveyed a message to CNN that was read on the air -
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:58 PM
Apr 2016

The message declared that she was going to change her tactic to "disqualify and destroy" his candidacy and put the party back together afterward. I personally saw/heard this as it happened. This preceded the Post headline, which was a day or two later.

Beacool

(30,249 posts)
78. She never called him unqualified.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:19 PM
Apr 2016

Despite Joe Scarborough egging her on and asking the question more than once. On the other hand, Sanders outright said that she was not qualified to be president at one of his rallies in PA. He mentioned a WAPO headline that proved to be erroneous. Both him and the headline garnered three Pinocchios from the WAPO's own fact checkers.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
79. You wanna go there?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:31 PM
Apr 2016

Did Hillary Clinton say Bernie Sanders 'not qualified' to be president? Not directly

Initially, Clinton said Sanders' interview with the New York Daily News "raised a lot of really serious questions." In the interview, Sanders seemed to stumble over details about how he would implement some of his proposals, such as breaking up big banks.

"So is he qualified?" Scarborough said, asking if she thought Sanders was "ready to be president." Clinton said she thought Sanders hadn't done his homework and "that does raise a lot of questions."



Kinda like Sanders said "not directly"

Sanders then said, "I don't believe that she is qualified if she is, through her super PAC, taking tens of millions of dollars in special interest funds. I don't think that you are qualified if you get $15 million from Wall Street through your Super PAC. I don't think you are qualified if you have voted for the disastrous war in Iraq. I don't think you are qualified if you've supported virtually every disastrous trade agreement, which has cost us millions of decent-paying jobs."


passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
84. No twisting necessary. We are pretty smart and see what people imply, not just that which they say.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:49 PM
Apr 2016

Maybe you just aren't smart enough to pick up on the "implied" message.

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
90. It's not her job to run his campaign and praise him.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:18 AM
Apr 2016

She's competing against him...this isn't your first rodeo, and you know this.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
92. You are so far off base here, I don't even know how to reply
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:40 PM
Apr 2016

Nobody said she she should run his campaign or praise him.

Yes, she's competing against him.

Two points here that have absolutely nothing to do with this discussion.

Whooosh!

 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
82. If he did consider her to be qualified...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:41 PM
Apr 2016

He wouldn't be running himself. That's what's an election is all about. Making the case of ones own qualifications and the opponents lack of such.

Besides, do you think that his "not qualified" came out of thin air, orfrom a headline from WaPo he saw only minutes before entering the stage?

And don't you think it was a bit disingenuous by Hillary to insiniauted that he didn't know what he was talking about regarding the banks (policy stance supported by 170 economists) when he actually was right all along? Saying "he hasn't done his homework" is just another phrasing for "he is not qualified!"

If you can cheer tolerate all the artful smears from Hillary and her surrogates and her Karl Rovian ties with David Brock, I wonder why you are having such issues with "I don't think that someone who takes money from large corporations and vote in their favor when in power over the people is qualified".
Bernie never said directly that she was not qualified. He said that her policies makes her unfit for office.

One question more.

What's the fascination of getting decade long reruns in the WH? Don't you get tired of plucking from the same pool of incompetents and the same names all the time?
Will people have problems remembering the name of a new president not named Clinton or Bush?

Squinch

(50,950 posts)
2. Huh. You mean that my excitement over my candidate counts even
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:07 PM
Apr 2016

if I don't want to go to a junior college arena and listen to a speech she has given a million times before?

(Though MY candidate doesn't give canned speeches, so its not like I even COULD do what the Sanders people do to show their frenzied adoration.)

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
8. Would be interesting to think what INDEPENDENTS think...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:25 PM
Apr 2016

...given that capturing a sizable amount of them as voters is crucial to victory in November.

But alas, I don't think they were polled -- New York, unfortunately, is a closed primary state.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
10. Herman, since Bernie wants NY independents,
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:37 PM
Apr 2016

it seems likely that he feels they would break for him. However, contrary to common DU notions, it turns out that majorities of independents in a majority of states so far have voted for Hillary.

It was a surprise to me too. I probably should spend less time in DU's little echo-chamber world and more checking out the real world.

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
88. Here, just for you:
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:44 AM
Apr 2016
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-sanders-does-better-with-independents/

Why do you think Hillary has that 55% disapproval rating, when Republicans are just 30 to 35% of the population?

Finally, what needs to be STRONGLY EMPHASIZED is not how Independents have voted thus far (with primaries going back as far as February), but how they are likely to vote in November.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. Agism, agism!!! Lol. Here's something to
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:39 PM
Apr 2016

frighten you more than your inevitable wrinkles: not everyone gets even a whit wiser or more knowledgeable with age.

ridgenvalley

(58 posts)
18. Ouch.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:49 PM
Apr 2016

I think you mean "shit" not "chit",
but your point is taken, and I apologize to the older generation.

 

hellofromreddit

(1,182 posts)
13. ...among those not blocked from voting.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:40 PM
Apr 2016

THOSE energized voters might have a different take on the situation.

 

hellofromreddit

(1,182 posts)
53. That's a lie
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:11 PM
Apr 2016

"It has been reported to us from voters and voting rights monitors that the voting lists in Brooklyn contain numerous errors, including the purging of entire buildings and blocks of voters from the voting lists," de Blasio said in a statement Tuesday calling on the board to "reverse that purge."

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/19/politics/new-york-primary-voter-problem-polls-sanders-de-blasio/

uponit7771

(90,346 posts)
54. Sanders outspent Clinton 2 to 1 (MSNBC 4:50pm Central), he's the one with "big money" even
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:12 PM
Apr 2016

... if its from small donors he's tossing a lot of dough around to lose.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
25. Black voters: 75% Clinton - 25% Sanders
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 07:59 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie still not connecting with African America voters. If he hasn't by now.. he never will.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
30. Whatever.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:01 PM
Apr 2016

That's just a flat out lie.

You can talk about voters v. crowds, fine, but Bernie has energized the party.

Hillary... meh.

BTW, I'm here until June.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
72. I am wondering if she is "energizing voters" because the GOP is such a shit show.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 08:53 PM
Apr 2016

I do think her share of voters is basically more committed to participate in November...... which is a damned shame.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
81. I will be proud when women ruin his fucking chances entirely in November.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 09:38 PM
Apr 2016

That will probably be the most satisfaction I will get out of this election year. Such a pig.

Vinca

(50,273 posts)
93. Oh, come on. This is really something from "The Onion," isn't it?
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 04:42 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary is many things, but exciting is definitely not one of them.

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