I'd rather have a flawed nominee than a mortally divided party. I don't see the superdelegates leaving Clinton for Sanders like they left her for Obama in '08. But if she does get the nom, almost inevitable now, I want it to be with a bare majority, with the pressure on her to unite the party. That means some platform concessions. We can start the slow work of reform, even without the White House. I'm coming to a place in my life where I'll be free to be an activist if my sense of civic duty compells it. But I don't want to see the only plausible vehicle for that reform, the Dem Party, get sawed in half before I can get into the scrum.

There will be no uniting the party. The values of the two sides are diametrically opposed and some of us will no longer participate. The Green Party will probably see a big increase.

But Clinton and Sanders aren't really diametrically opposed. Sanders has moved Clinton by running against her and repeatedly declaring his loyalty to the Democratic Party. That's a win.

The party is dead....largely due to the Clintons.

I mean, you make it sound like we're battling Josef Stalin rather than fighting over reform for the party. She's gonna be with us 80% of the time. In politics, that ain't losing.

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Did I say anything about Satan or Stalin? Use your hyperbole on someone else. I don't name call here, I don't insult people. My opinion is the Clintons have changed the party for the worse, and I don't trust her promises. I have a right to my opinions and my feelings and you can leave me the hell alone with your over the top rhetoric.

Among a great many other things I detest.

Maybe she is with YOU 80% of the time, but she is with me pretty much 0% of the time. And she lies and panders.
She will be a Third Way Neocon hawk 100% of the time.

bernie supporters will get nothing at convention.

Nominating clinton will doom country to one party rule for years to come.at least now there won't be any pretending.yeah some to beg for donations may claim to be progressive but this primary has proven many are frauds as progressives.

I strongly believe it's already happened. This primary season has made it clear to so many that the party consists of two completely incompatible wings.

Obama says he'd be seen as moderate Republican in 1980s,and Hillary is touting herself to be Obama 3.0.

Didn't really care for moderate R's in the '80s.

Be we are well and truly fucked if Hillary is our nominee.

Maybe if the Republicans were nominating Bush or Kasich, I'd say, okay, let's endure four years of Republican misrule and take our chances in 2020 on a Warren candidacy.

But they're choosing between Trump and Cruz... basically between Benito Mussolini and Greg Stillson. I'm not worried about losing the Supreme Court for another generation; I'm worried about God or The Donald's wounded gonads demanding that the nukes go flying into Havana.

Especially not with Hillary as President.

The Democratic Party is strengthening, not weakening, it's ties to the corporate sector. They have no interest in changing course, because there are no consequences for them when they sell us out.

Look at Obama: he backtracked on pretty much every single "liberalish" campaign promise he made, and the rank-and-file still prostrate themselves at his feet and shower him with praise.

Hillary will be no different.

that has been an act to fool people.that has been exposed now.

Any system run by humans will imperfect.

I wish Schweitzer had run, and I was really inspired by O'Malley, but he hadn't done the legwork the preceding two years like he needed to. Between Clinton and Sanders I think we have possibly the two weakest candidates our party could field, but it is what it is.

I will vote my conscience in the GE.

dems agree with bill clinton's rasim and his attacks on bernie supporters calling us tea party and wanting to commit murder.

We have a chance for change in Bernie.

... for someone we're going to fall in love with

It looks like the center-right party will be nominating a Third Way corporocrat. The far-right party will be nominating a vulgar talking yam.

Why would anybody want that?

This ain't basketball. There isn't a Final Four show-down before the championship. Going by your logic, scissors should beat stone since it beats paper so handily. That's not how democracy works.

Bernie consistently clobbers all the Republican candidates in polling about the general election. He appeals to independents and to hard left Democrats who do not like or trust Hillary Clinton. So, yes, she beats him in the non-representative demographics who make up Democratic party's nomination voters. That's not the same as a general election

This is one site that compares Sanders vs Republican nominees
against how will it'll go when it's Clinton vs Republican nominees

Clinton beats Trump by 9.3, Cruz by a ridiculous 2.3, and actually loses to Kasich by 7.8
Sanders beats Trump by 15.2, Cruz by 11.2, and even beats to Kasich by 4.0

Going by your logic, Kasich should be in the lead for the Republican nomination. But he's not, and that's because your perceptions of how our elections work is fundamentally flawed.

I don't know how long you've been around politics. But I remember a guy in 1988 named Mike Dukakis. He started the Fall campaign with a 17 point polling lead over Poppy Bush (a universally ridiculed and idiosyncratic candidate), which is far better than Clinton's 9 points over Trumpenstein. How did Bush win and reverse those numbers, winning with a 7% spread? He repaired relations with the conservative base and appealed to independents and hammered away at Dukakis's fundamental weaknesses as a candidate.

This is 1988 all over again. This time we've got to do better.

I doubt his numbers would last. I also think BS is the weaker candidate to confront those right wingnuts.

Nope.