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Hillary won more votes tonight than the 7 elections Bernie won, combined (Original Post) Renew Deal Apr 2016 OP
But but TMontoya Apr 2016 #1
Wasn't she just arrested on Capital Hill? n/t nolawarlock Apr 2016 #57
But... MOMENTUM! PeaceNikki Apr 2016 #2
I think you meant...NOMENTUM! workinclasszero Apr 2016 #26
+10 n/t nolawarlock Apr 2016 #58
When you study advanced physics, you learn about something called "reverse momentum". George II Apr 2016 #68
Are the provisional ballots being counted yet? k8conant Apr 2016 #3
How many of them could there be? nolawarlock Apr 2016 #59
Not to mention she still won 60% of the state, so likely a majority of those voters are hers. MadBadger Apr 2016 #61
Bernie got 478,000+ and counting tonight. morningfog Apr 2016 #4
A quick look says that she did. Renew Deal Apr 2016 #9
(Almost) final counts - Clinton 1,037,344 - Sanders 752,739 (+284,605).... George II Apr 2016 #69
Bah hahahahaha. Lol. What an hoot! Nt seabeyond Apr 2016 #5
She just wiped out all of those Bernie wins.... Walk away Apr 2016 #6
too bad the presidency is not won on the popular vote gabeana Apr 2016 #7
It's won on delegates. He's losing on that measure too. Codeine Apr 2016 #10
No shit sherlock gabeana Apr 2016 #17
Sorry to interrupt you having a sadz. Codeine Apr 2016 #19
Nay your just acting like an idiot gabeana Apr 2016 #27
"you're" Codeine Apr 2016 #29
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #32
So much anger, young Padawan. Codeine Apr 2016 #33
thanks I appreciate that gabeana Apr 2016 #42
I got you good huh, you didn't know how to respond gabeana Apr 2016 #45
I got bored. Codeine Apr 2016 #48
If you were bored you wouldn't have responded gabeana Apr 2016 #49
Do vampires sleep? Rockyj Apr 2016 #79
I think he leads in yard signs griffi94 Apr 2016 #51
Ha! Walk away Apr 2016 #66
And THAT my friends, is MOMENTUM. Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #8
Yep!!! Hillary wins in large DIVERSE states. St Bernard does not. beaglelover Apr 2016 #22
Yeah but he won in Utah griffi94 Apr 2016 #53
The PEOPLE have spoken! workinclasszero Apr 2016 #11
Yay Democrats! Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #25
She also won more delegates... Blue Idaho Apr 2016 #12
Net loss of 31 angrychair Apr 2016 #60
71% Blue Idaho Apr 2016 #73
K&R mcar Apr 2016 #13
Comparing apples and oranges. A lot of Bernies wins were in caucuses where fraud isn't as easy to Skwmom Apr 2016 #14
That's not a serious statement. Renew Deal Apr 2016 #15
+1, It's like la la land around here !! uponit7771 Apr 2016 #39
Hilary's win tonight will NEVER be seen as clean or honest azurnoir Apr 2016 #16
To who? Renew Deal Apr 2016 #20
I am guessing by the Bernie followers on DU and Reddit!!! Walk away Apr 2016 #67
The establishment usually has a hard time recognizing the "others" accomplishments uponit7771 Apr 2016 #41
OMG. Not "shenanigans" again. For the love of God COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #77
Bill Black: Hillary, the Banksters Committed ‘Fraud,’ Not ‘Shenanigans' Octafish Apr 2016 #80
But, how Wyoming goes, so goes the country! grossproffit Apr 2016 #18
Yep, it's the math stupid!! Bernie math ain't reality! beaglelover Apr 2016 #21
Don't bring Math and facts into this. nt msanthrope Apr 2016 #23
Exactly. Votes. Numbers. People who count. nolabear Apr 2016 #24
But, but, but, he won 8 in a row! George II Apr 2016 #28
Another interesting factoid. Hillary received more votes tonight than all 3 Republicans combined. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #30
Hillary wins the cities... Skid Rogue Apr 2016 #31
Kinda puts it in perspective doesn't it? And I say this as a Bernie supporter. Still In Wisconsin Apr 2016 #34
Thank you Still In Wisconsin. pnwmom Apr 2016 #38
I don't think it will be that hard. Important thing for Bernie supporters is to acknowledge Still In Wisconsin Apr 2016 #44
Thanks again! pnwmom Apr 2016 #47
I don't know about the goal posts having been moved. Still In Wisconsin Apr 2016 #50
Classy post. SunSeeker Apr 2016 #63
Thanks shenmue Apr 2016 #64
Thank you! DemonGoddess Apr 2016 #65
Thanks for a very classy post NastyRiffraff Apr 2016 #74
Thank you. n/t murielm99 Apr 2016 #54
+1. Refreshing. nt COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #78
Wow - thank you, Still In Wisconsin! calimary Apr 2016 #56
Same thing with Florida. This is why he can't catch up. She's won all the big states so far. pnwmom Apr 2016 #35
Meaningless. Did she win 7x more delegates tonight than he did? cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #36
Did she? Maybe. But it's true that tiny caucus states do have a disproportionate share, pnwmom Apr 2016 #40
Each state should have 1/50th of a share, with DC being the scale tipper. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #43
Hah! I understand the concept perfectly well. And I disagree with you that it should require pnwmom Apr 2016 #46
That's beyond goofy. nt Codeine Apr 2016 #72
It isn't if you want to go to a popular vote and get rid of the electoral college. cherokeeprogressive Apr 2016 #75
Sanders won more votes tonight than Trump and Kasich combined. nt mhatrw Apr 2016 #37
Funny that... Bohemianwriter Apr 2016 #52
Now THAT is impressive. nt BreakfastClub Apr 2016 #55
And Sanders, who lost, still got 220,000 more votes than Trump Number23 Apr 2016 #62
Bernie won over 700,000 NY votes amborin Apr 2016 #70
Hillary broke one million Renew Deal Apr 2016 #71
K & R LAS14 Apr 2016 #76

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
59. How many of them could there be?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:59 AM
Apr 2016

I know the independents think they're somehow going to break into this closed primary. It's a lovely fantasy.

 

morningfog

(18,115 posts)
4. Bernie got 478,000+ and counting tonight.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:28 PM
Apr 2016

the point you are trying to make is whether she received a larger margin than he did combined. Try that and come back. Because this op doesn't get you there.

George II

(67,782 posts)
69. (Almost) final counts - Clinton 1,037,344 - Sanders 752,739 (+284,605)....
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:42 AM
Apr 2016

Sanders won ALL of his caucus states by a combined margin of ~200,000.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
6. She just wiped out all of those Bernie wins....
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:28 PM
Apr 2016

What a great night!!! On to Pennsylvania and Maryland!!!

gabeana

(3,166 posts)
7. too bad the presidency is not won on the popular vote
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:30 PM
Apr 2016

we learned that the hard way with Bush

+ Bernie is going to get more votes than combined from his last wins

Response to Codeine (Reply #29)

gabeana

(3,166 posts)
45. I got you good huh, you didn't know how to respond
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:05 AM
Apr 2016

you were exposed as low hanging fruit, that was fun

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
48. I got bored.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:10 AM
Apr 2016

Other, more amusing snark caught my attention. Now the kids are bathed and in bed and I'm off to sleep.

Blue Idaho

(5,049 posts)
12. She also won more delegates...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:33 PM
Apr 2016

After New York, Sen Sanders is further behind Sec. Clinton in deligate count. The gate is closing fast.

angrychair

(8,702 posts)
60. Net loss of 31
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:10 AM
Apr 2016

But she went down 16 after some state delegate conventions over the last couple weeks so sh actually only gained 16 or so in last week and half. Yes a gain but hardly a crushing victory.

Blue Idaho

(5,049 posts)
73. 71%
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:40 AM
Apr 2016

That's what Bernie needs to clinch the nomination - he needs to win 71% of all remaining in pledged delegates. Sec. Clinton Only needs to win 21% of remaining unpledged delegates. Let's pretend you are running a campaign - which of those numbers would you want to see for your candidate.

It's about the math.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
14. Comparing apples and oranges. A lot of Bernies wins were in caucuses where fraud isn't as easy to
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:37 PM
Apr 2016

pulll off.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
16. Hilary's win tonight will NEVER be seen as clean or honest
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:40 PM
Apr 2016

there have been enough shenanigans that election officials will be reviewing the results

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141421101

Renew Deal

(81,861 posts)
20. To who?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:28 PM
Apr 2016

Investigate every report. There are reports of Hillary supporters missing from voter rolls. What does Jeff Weaver know and when did he know it?

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
67. I am guessing by the Bernie followers on DU and Reddit!!!
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:24 AM
Apr 2016

I would imagine everyone else will just go about their life as normal.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
77. OMG. Not "shenanigans" again. For the love of God
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:42 PM
Apr 2016

please find another word to use. Shenanigans is so 1890.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
80. Bill Black: Hillary, the Banksters Committed ‘Fraud,’ Not ‘Shenanigans'
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:20 PM
Apr 2016

by William K. Black
Daily Kos, Saturday Feb 06, 2016

Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, in her debate with Senator Sanders minutes ago, said that she went to Wall Street and told them to stop their "shenanigans." The context was that she was being asked to respond to the complaint that she was too close to on Wall Street billionaires. She had every incentive, therefore, to demonstrate how tough she would be on Wall Street.

In that context, the best she could muster was the pusillanimous "shenanigans." Here is a typical definition of that word with examples.



1. : a devious trick used especially for an underhand purpose 2. 2a : tricky or questionable practices or conduct --usually used in pluralb : high-spirited or mischievous activity --usually used in plural

Examples of SHENANIGAN 1. students engaging in youthful shenanigans on the last day of school 2. an act of vandalism that went way beyond the usual shenanigans at summer camp.



Hillary cannot bring herself to use the "f" word in the context of Wall Street CEOs leading the largest and most destructive fraud epidemics in history - frauds that made them spectacularly wealthy. A few minutes later, Bernie said that "fraud" was Wall Street's business model.

There Is No "If" -- Systemically Dangerous Banks Pose a "Systemic Risk"

Hillary then said that we should end systemically dangerous institutions (SDIs) "if" they posed "systemic risk" and praised President Obama for supporting Dodd-Frank provisions that provide a convoluted process for doing so that a new president likely could not use effectively. There can be disputes on the margins as to whether the 25th largest U.S. bank is systemically dangerous, but there is no question but that the largest 20 banks in the U.S. pose a systemic risk. There is no question but that President Obama has not, and will not, force a single one of them to shrink to the point that they no longer pose a systemic risk.

I do not think that many people believe that Hillary will force even a single gargantuan bank to do so, but if that is her intent, the word she needs to use is "will" rather than "if." Hillary should say: "If I am elected President I will promptly require the roughly 20 largest banks to shrink to a size where they no longer pose a systemic risk."

Hillary Did Not Take on Wall Street in 2007 --
She Blamed the Victims for Being Defrauded


In the debate tonight, Hillary again claimed that in her 2007 speech to Wall Street she came down on them like a ton of bricks. Hillary's most pointed two sentences in her supposed takedown of the banksters were:

But finally, responsibility also belongs to Wall Street, which not only enabled but often encouraged reckless mortgage lending... Wall Street may not have created the foreclosure crisis, but Wall Street certainly had a hand in making it worse.

No, the banksters made millions of deliberately fraudulent, not "reckless" loans and they most assuredly "created the foreclosure crisis." Hillary went on to throw the victims of these frauds under the bus -- blaming the foreclosure victims for not understanding the loans the brokers pushed on them.

CONTINUED...

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/6/1480801/-Bill-Black-Hillary-the-Banksters-Committed-Fraud-Not-Shenanigans
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George II

(67,782 posts)
28. But, but, but, he won 8 in a row!
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:37 PM
Apr 2016

Clinton has won 7 of the top 9 states in the country - the other two haven't voted yet.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
30. Another interesting factoid. Hillary received more votes tonight than all 3 Republicans combined.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:41 PM
Apr 2016

The RNC knows that New York is off the table in the general.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
34. Kinda puts it in perspective doesn't it? And I say this as a Bernie supporter.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:55 PM
Apr 2016

I'll admit it... it was never really close.

Good luck and enjoy a hard-earned celebration. I'll vote for her in the general election, and I promise to shut my trap until 2020 on all matters Presidential!

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
38. Thank you Still In Wisconsin.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:56 PM
Apr 2016

I hope we're all able to come together before too long . . . the longer we delay, the more we help the GOP.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
44. I don't think it will be that hard. Important thing for Bernie supporters is to acknowledge
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:04 AM
Apr 2016

reality, and respectfully close their mouths. One needs to know when to be quiet and allow those who have won the day to run the show. This applies to me too. As I said, I promise to make no more comments regarding the candidates or policy matters until the next election. Hopefully my candidate will soon do the same.

Again, congratulations.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
47. Thanks again!
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:07 AM
Apr 2016


And I do appreciate that Bernie has helped move the goalposts to the left. That is a big accomplishment for Bernie, as long as we can come together soon and heal.
 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
50. I don't know about the goal posts having been moved.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:13 AM
Apr 2016

I think of it as more a repudiation of the leftmost parts of the party- maybe an excision of sorts. And again, I will admit I am part of that leftmost group of Democrats. If I need to be put out I can accept that... but I'm still voting Clinton in the GE, because I ain't living through a Trump administration!

My Bernie sign is now out of the front yard and in the garage right by the Gore and Obama ones (I save them). Just put it there five minutes ago. Now, bed.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
74. Thanks for a very classy post
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:50 AM
Apr 2016

Although I have absolutely no sympathy for Sanders supporters who have swarmed this board with purely negative posts, I feel for people like you. I remember 2008 and how I felt when Hillary conceded. I hope Bernie can be as gracious as she was.

calimary

(81,322 posts)
56. Wow - thank you, Still In Wisconsin!
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:54 AM
Apr 2016

Sincerely! That's mighty gracious of you. Hope we can all come together and keep the CONS OUT of the White House!!! We're so much stronger shoulder-to-shoulder together than when we turn on each other.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
35. Same thing with Florida. This is why he can't catch up. She's won all the big states so far.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:55 PM
Apr 2016

He's won mostly small states (in terms of voters, not acreage), especially caucus states.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
43. Each state should have 1/50th of a share, with DC being the scale tipper.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:01 AM
Apr 2016

Maybe you should do a little research into the concept of a federal government vs a national one.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
46. Hah! I understand the concept perfectly well. And I disagree with you that it should require
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:05 AM
Apr 2016

New York and Wyoming to get the same 1/50 share. Our electoral system doesn't have to match the Senate's set-up favoring voters in small, rural states.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
75. It isn't if you want to go to a popular vote and get rid of the electoral college.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:20 PM
Apr 2016

Otherwise, candidates will campaign in NY, CA, and a couple other states. They'll also govern by the will of those states. Welcome to the tyranny of the majority.

 

Bohemianwriter

(978 posts)
52. Funny that...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:20 AM
Apr 2016

Even when she loses, she gets more delegate than Bernie. And in very close races, they lean Hillary and ignore the disrepencies t the polling stations and the vote count.
When she win, she win double.
It must be wonderful getting double pay every time she passes START in comparison to everone else.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
62. And Sanders, who lost, still got 220,000 more votes than Trump
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:42 AM
Apr 2016
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-04-20/ny-primaries-live-blog/7340956

Hillary is sitting so freaking pretty right now. The numbers in that OP are just... fucking... BRUTAL. Hopefully someone has already sent them to the Sanders camp.
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