2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary won more votes tonight than the 7 elections Bernie won, combined
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1,037,344 Hillary so far tonight in NY (98% in)
691,038 Bernie in Idaho, Utah, Alaska, Hawaii, Washington, Wisconsin, Wyoming
TMontoya
(369 posts)27,000 person rallies!
Wall St!!
ROSARIO DAWSON!!!!
nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)PeaceNikki
(27,985 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)k8conant
(3,030 posts)nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)I know the independents think they're somehow going to break into this closed primary. It's a lovely fantasy.
MadBadger
(24,089 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)the point you are trying to make is whether she received a larger margin than he did combined. Try that and come back. Because this op doesn't get you there.
Renew Deal
(81,861 posts)At least so far.
George II
(67,782 posts)Sanders won ALL of his caucus states by a combined margin of ~200,000.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Walk away
(9,494 posts)What a great night!!! On to Pennsylvania and Maryland!!!
gabeana
(3,166 posts)we learned that the hard way with Bush
+ Bernie is going to get more votes than combined from his last wins
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Double threat!
gabeana
(3,166 posts)but so what
Codeine
(25,586 posts)gabeana
(3,166 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)You're welcome!
Response to Codeine (Reply #29)
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Codeine
(25,586 posts)gabeana
(3,166 posts)very nice coming from you, wasn't expecting that
gabeana
(3,166 posts)you were exposed as low hanging fruit, that was fun
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Other, more amusing snark caught my attention. Now the kids are bathed and in bed and I'm off to sleep.
gabeana
(3,166 posts)don't be obvious
Rockyj
(538 posts)griffi94
(3,733 posts)and people other Bernie supporters know who voted for him.
Maru Kitteh
(28,341 posts)beaglelover
(3,486 posts)griffi94
(3,733 posts)and Oklahoma
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,341 posts)DEMOCRATS have spoken!
Blue Idaho
(5,049 posts)After New York, Sen Sanders is further behind Sec. Clinton in deligate count. The gate is closing fast.
angrychair
(8,702 posts)But she went down 16 after some state delegate conventions over the last couple weeks so sh actually only gained 16 or so in last week and half. Yes a gain but hardly a crushing victory.
Blue Idaho
(5,049 posts)That's what Bernie needs to clinch the nomination - he needs to win 71% of all remaining in pledged delegates. Sec. Clinton Only needs to win 21% of remaining unpledged delegates. Let's pretend you are running a campaign - which of those numbers would you want to see for your candidate.
It's about the math.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)pulll off.
Renew Deal
(81,861 posts)Caucuses are generally unrepresentative.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)there have been enough shenanigans that election officials will be reviewing the results
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141421101
Renew Deal
(81,861 posts)Investigate every report. There are reports of Hillary supporters missing from voter rolls. What does Jeff Weaver know and when did he know it?
Walk away
(9,494 posts)I would imagine everyone else will just go about their life as normal.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)please find another word to use. Shenanigans is so 1890.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)by William K. Black
Daily Kos, Saturday Feb 06, 2016
Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, in her debate with Senator Sanders minutes ago, said that she went to Wall Street and told them to stop their "shenanigans." The context was that she was being asked to respond to the complaint that she was too close to on Wall Street billionaires. She had every incentive, therefore, to demonstrate how tough she would be on Wall Street.
In that context, the best she could muster was the pusillanimous "shenanigans." Here is a typical definition of that word with examples.
1. : a devious trick used especially for an underhand purpose 2. 2a : tricky or questionable practices or conduct --usually used in pluralb : high-spirited or mischievous activity --usually used in plural
Examples of SHENANIGAN 1. students engaging in youthful shenanigans on the last day of school 2. an act of vandalism that went way beyond the usual shenanigans at summer camp.
Hillary cannot bring herself to use the "f" word in the context of Wall Street CEOs leading the largest and most destructive fraud epidemics in history - frauds that made them spectacularly wealthy. A few minutes later, Bernie said that "fraud" was Wall Street's business model.
There Is No "If" -- Systemically Dangerous Banks Pose a "Systemic Risk"
Hillary then said that we should end systemically dangerous institutions (SDIs) "if" they posed "systemic risk" and praised President Obama for supporting Dodd-Frank provisions that provide a convoluted process for doing so that a new president likely could not use effectively. There can be disputes on the margins as to whether the 25th largest U.S. bank is systemically dangerous, but there is no question but that the largest 20 banks in the U.S. pose a systemic risk. There is no question but that President Obama has not, and will not, force a single one of them to shrink to the point that they no longer pose a systemic risk.
I do not think that many people believe that Hillary will force even a single gargantuan bank to do so, but if that is her intent, the word she needs to use is "will" rather than "if." Hillary should say: "If I am elected President I will promptly require the roughly 20 largest banks to shrink to a size where they no longer pose a systemic risk."
Hillary Did Not Take on Wall Street in 2007 --
She Blamed the Victims for Being Defrauded
In the debate tonight, Hillary again claimed that in her 2007 speech to Wall Street she came down on them like a ton of bricks. Hillary's most pointed two sentences in her supposed takedown of the banksters were:
But finally, responsibility also belongs to Wall Street, which not only enabled but often encouraged reckless mortgage lending... Wall Street may not have created the foreclosure crisis, but Wall Street certainly had a hand in making it worse.
No, the banksters made millions of deliberately fraudulent, not "reckless" loans and they most assuredly "created the foreclosure crisis." Hillary went on to throw the victims of these frauds under the bus -- blaming the foreclosure victims for not understanding the loans the brokers pushed on them.
CONTINUED...
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/6/1480801/-Bill-Black-Hillary-the-Banksters-Committed-Fraud-Not-Shenanigans
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grossproffit
(5,591 posts)beaglelover
(3,486 posts)msanthrope
(37,549 posts)nolabear
(41,987 posts)Whether BS supporters like it or not.
George II
(67,782 posts)Clinton has won 7 of the top 9 states in the country - the other two haven't voted yet.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)The RNC knows that New York is off the table in the general.
Skid Rogue
(711 posts)I stand with her.
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)I'll admit it... it was never really close.
Good luck and enjoy a hard-earned celebration. I'll vote for her in the general election, and I promise to shut my trap until 2020 on all matters Presidential!
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)I hope we're all able to come together before too long . . . the longer we delay, the more we help the GOP.
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)reality, and respectfully close their mouths. One needs to know when to be quiet and allow those who have won the day to run the show. This applies to me too. As I said, I promise to make no more comments regarding the candidates or policy matters until the next election. Hopefully my candidate will soon do the same.
Again, congratulations.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)And I do appreciate that Bernie has helped move the goalposts to the left. That is a big accomplishment for Bernie, as long as we can come together soon and heal.
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)I think of it as more a repudiation of the leftmost parts of the party- maybe an excision of sorts. And again, I will admit I am part of that leftmost group of Democrats. If I need to be put out I can accept that... but I'm still voting Clinton in the GE, because I ain't living through a Trump administration!
My Bernie sign is now out of the front yard and in the garage right by the Gore and Obama ones (I save them). Just put it there five minutes ago. Now, bed.
SunSeeker
(51,574 posts)shenmue
(38,506 posts)DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)Graciousness and class!
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)Although I have absolutely no sympathy for Sanders supporters who have swarmed this board with purely negative posts, I feel for people like you. I remember 2008 and how I felt when Hillary conceded. I hope Bernie can be as gracious as she was.
murielm99
(30,745 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)calimary
(81,322 posts)Sincerely! That's mighty gracious of you. Hope we can all come together and keep the CONS OUT of the White House!!! We're so much stronger shoulder-to-shoulder together than when we turn on each other.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)He's won mostly small states (in terms of voters, not acreage), especially caucus states.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Meaningless.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)so maybe not.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Maybe you should do a little research into the concept of a federal government vs a national one.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)New York and Wyoming to get the same 1/50 share. Our electoral system doesn't have to match the Senate's set-up favoring voters in small, rural states.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)Otherwise, candidates will campaign in NY, CA, and a couple other states. They'll also govern by the will of those states. Welcome to the tyranny of the majority.
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Bohemianwriter
(978 posts)Even when she loses, she gets more delegate than Bernie. And in very close races, they lean Hillary and ignore the disrepencies t the polling stations and the vote count.
When she win, she win double.
It must be wonderful getting double pay every time she passes START in comparison to everone else.
BreakfastClub
(765 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Hillary is sitting so freaking pretty right now. The numbers in that OP are just... fucking... BRUTAL. Hopefully someone has already sent them to the Sanders camp.