Butthurt form!!!!! I am totally stealing that. Thanks!.

who didn't give you what you wanted.

take some deep breaths

All you've really got is the myth that she's more electable.

He's great at drawing crowds-not so much at getting them to vote

a problem that all of a sudden disappeared when this benefited the corporate democrat with her corporate money and her corporate media backing her up...

What astonishes me is how different the election rules are in different states. And in order to vote, millions of people have to jump over one obstacle after another in order to vote - only to be turned away due to faulty voting machines, long lines, earlier closing hours than in more afflluent areas.....
My solution for low voter turnout and voter suppression:

- Every state should have open ballots in all primaries. Voters can only vote for one party during the primaries.
-Automatic voter registration the year the voter turns 18
-Free state issued IDs to be used as voter ID across the board.
-Traceable ballots.
-An independent election committee (like the league of Women Voters to conduct the debates in context of the media outlet) without any single partisan affiliation in any election committe. The members must be vetted.
- Equal time in the main debates for 3rd and 4th party candidates.

Many years ago as an exchange student in Kansas, the history teacher wanted to compare elections in USSR with USA.

"In USSR.. you can vote for commie A or commie B. In USA we can vote democratic or republican"...

By winning the Democratic nomination.

by watering our principles down to nothing(which is what "pragmatic" seems to mean this year).

A message repeatedly endlessly is going to have a huge effect.

Hillary is leading because people believe in her.

She will lead us into another 8 years of progression and expand Obamas policies.

Under each democratic president, we have done much better. Things are looking up.

When she is dismissive to activists, sneers at idealism, and takes an "oh, grow up!" tone towards anyone who still has dreams of a better world?

If nothing else, I hope you'll agree that it's unforgiveable that her campaign has encouraged the spread of this toxic meme that the social justice and economic justice movements are somehow massively at odds with each other and that social justice can somehow only prevail if economic justice issues are put to the side. There aren't any people working for economic justice who are indifferent to the need to fight institutional bigotry and there aren't much of any people working for social justice who don't also get it that we need to challenge corporate control of life in order for social justice to actually prevail.

Her stances.

Hillary most certainly never has been and never will be the most left candidate. However she most certainly is a left candidate.

The fact is, about half the country leans to the right. If you go full left, without compromise, you won't get anything done.

She is a democratic candidate who knows how to compromise on our behalf.

S.S. and Medicare were even compromises when passed. They had to be expanded years down the road.

But you have to start from strong principles BEFORE you compromise.

If your initial proposals are a compromise, you'll get less THAN the compromise. A compromise is only worthwhile if you GET half a loaf. There are no situations in which its ever worth settling for less than half. Getting the heel is the same as not getting anything. You can't build up from just getting the heel.

It is a fallacy to think that half of the country leans right. People have been brainwashed into believing that. Rather I believe that the country has been moving more and more to the left. So the political center of the country is to the left of center.

The values and beliefs of Americans keeps changing as the older folks die off and younger come of age to vote. Same sex marriage and LGBT rights would not fly 20 years ago as an example. It is happening despite the rigging by Republicans gerrymandering districts.

47% or so.

I think it's fair to say half the country does lean right.

We are moving left definitely but the votes are the best indicator.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-01-03/final-tally-shows-obama-first-since-56-to-win-51-twice

Hillary hatred out there that will motivate people to crawl over broken glass on bare hands and knees in order to vote against her.

Independents don't like her. Young people don't like her. Bernie voters in general aren't big fans -- although some will consider her the lesser of two evils, hold their nose, and vote for her only because the Repukes are even worse.

Hillary or a Repuke? No contest. We ultimately lose.

by remarks such as this.

...is the nominee. Republicans are going to rip her to shreds. And even if she were going to win the GE, impeachment papers will be on her door on Inauguration Day and we the people will be dragged through another horrific Clinton psychodrama. That's assuming she's not in jail by then.

Repukes have too for 25 years. She gets back up and fights. Innuendo, insinuation of being in the Tank of whatever with NO proof! Calling her unqualified .. even racist. Enough is enough. She has blue prints. Sanders has a stump speech.

Sanders has not mentioned any of her most significant flaws and faults. Many people wish he WOULD, but he has not.

And Trump is just itching to beat her up.

Don't worry.. It is Sanders who has not been attacked by repukes.

She has been his pinata in all his rallies.

Besides Hillarians, the MSM? Lol.

I could happily express this part of my heritage with that.

By the way. The polls show Sanders supporter are more than willing to vote Clinton.

They refuse to even look at their own candidate's background. Most won't even understand why we GenX voters never supported her to begin with. This hasn't sunk in for them yet, but hopefully it will by the convention, since Bernie is going all the way. She wasn't able to seal the Pledged Delegate deal (again).

http://www.gallup.com/poll/188096/democratic-republican-identification-near-historical-lows.aspx

in the middle east...

There will be war and more wars come 2017 and beyond as it looks now.

Prepare accordingly.

has come down to vote in line with every military vote with the Democrats and how Sanders is characterizing himself is not consistent with his record. They are not easily conned as they research themselves, and think....

So unless you are suggesting that all must suit up simply for exercising our right to vote, then your jab is for not and makes little to no sense.

and she shouldn't be proud of it.

And as Bernie's campaign shows, young voters don't show up even for their own hero.

She won by mass voter suppression to make sure they couldn't vote. Not just the Independents but the Democrats. She won by DWS switching a whole lot of Democrat votes to independent. She won by the 1% who are in charge of the media not only donating to her campaign but running 24/7 news in support of her and locking out Bernie and telling lies when they brought him up.

She did not win any real vote. And her popularity continues it's nose dive.

The only poll going up that has her name on it is the people who won't vote for her no matter what.

Debbie Washerman Schotlz, from Florida, created voter suppression in NY? She switched Democratic voters to independent voters in other states?

you through the stages of Grief. Right now, you're in Denial.

It's nonsense but I'm sure it makes you feel better.

She won NY by 16%. Had independents voted in the primary she would still have voted. But it's a 40 year old system of primary voting in NY and wannabe Sanders voters who didn't change their registrations get no sympathy from me.

DWS had absolutely nothing to do with NY elections. You just need another woman to smear.

but certainly not a one percenter, and I'm crying my eyes out tonight.

perhaps they would consider NOT shooting themselves in the foot.

Yes, you get to perhaps live another 50 years (although who says I won't make 104?)

As such, it is hugely in your self interest to keep Republicans from winning elections.

You think she's going to fight for the little guy? LMAO!

This is a puppet show. The political system in this country is a sham. It's an oligarchy.

that has always been true.

But there are worse people in the world.

Consider Kathleen Sebelius. As Governor of Kansas she did not do all that much for the little guy. However, there is no question at all that she was much, much, much better than Sam Brownback.

When I was young and foolish I voted for a socialist in 1992. I saw Bill Clinton as a moderate Republican, not much different than either Bush or Perot. I also cast a pointless protest vote in 1996, because Dole was expected to lose anyway.

Yet, whatever his flaws, and I would still say they were many, he was light years better than George W. Bush, and we would have been better off if Republicans had NOT been swept into the House for 12 years.

we are oligarchs... but better than the repuke oligarchs

That's the bumper sticker you want us to run with?

You have a better idea? Your bumper sticker is "fuck the Democrats, let the Republicans win".

I wish we had better alternatives, but I need to deal with the world as it is, not as the way I wish it was.

In the real world it is demonstrably worse if Republicans win.

But it is young people who are gonna have to live in the world that Republicans make. They may be angry enough to do something stupid like let that happen, or like punching a wall. But either way, they just end up in a world of hurt. Keep your head, and use it.

You have been told she hasn't, but it isn't true

So IT companies and companies like Disney can force American workers to train their cheaper foreign replacements? She wants to expand that program.

never, under any circumstances, vote for her. She's just plain awful.

Your candidate is a venal oligarch's puppet...it's just that her supporters don't care.

Same with Cruz.

It's always been bogus to argue the choice was HRC or defeat.

We don't have to settle for cynical centrists anymore.

the choice will be HRC or defeat

And I do not believe those happy predictions about a Bernie nomination. There's a long time between now and November. My feeling is that his nomination would Bern down the democratic party.

And I was not willing to test that theory out on my head.

wedge or distraction from "the real issues". Really a shame he never invested in us.

Bernie was just as good on schools, criminal justice reform and opposition to institutional racism.

And it was WHITE people he was telling to look beyond color...he never said POC should stop fighting bigotry. No one who had been in the freedom movement would ever call on POC to do such a thing.

from winning elections, no matter what party they are in.

There, fixed it for you...

Once the nominations are made then the contest is D vs. R. You think a 3rd wayer is worse than an R? That Bill Clinton was worse than George W. Bush? and so was Obama?

the real democrat in the race, not the fake dem who is only running as a dem because that's wehre the $$ is

is not a nice taste at times.

Just said, "of course we will support Clinton. Only an idiot wouldn't with Trump or Cruz as the alternative."

The yutes ain't idiots

I might be getting older but rich? Wow this super rich trucker is just going to sit here and read this crap laughing my ass off. You throw a better fit than my two year old grandson.

Higher income earners went for Sanders.

Clinton does well among older, less educated, lower income voters.

Of course, the exception being the democratic establishment, but they don't make up the majority of that demographic.

Its very similar to the republican party, people who don't vote their best interests b/c they continue to believe the lies.

but it gets him votes. Lots of gullibles out there at those big venues

I know people who vote for Clinton don't have those, because they are happy with the corrupt system we have now.. but most of us aren't happy with that system.

Which is why Clinton will never be president.

I think, for many, they don't get much past name recognition and gender. Few people put much time into politics, or into researching issues beyond what they are spoon-fed. Very frustrating.

Old and rich what??

We have three co-equal branches of gov't and one of them makes and funds federal laws. The Republicans have been trying to take my social security for decades. We need to come together and make sure we turn the House, Senate, govships, and state houses blue. And we have to keep the White House blue.

As an African American woman and senior I don't have time to get into my feels. I'm voting for you, my Latino brothers and sisters, my LGTB brothers and sisters, for two years of free community college for young people, for student loan forgiveness, for criminal justice reform, for universal healthcare, and the Supreme Court etc. I don't have the luxury of a case of the feels because there's just too much at stake.

and then he won 49 states from Mondale. Beating the Republicans has gotten a little easier, but the stakes get higher all the time. Bernie will tell you pretty much the same thing when he endorses Hillary. I hope you listen to him.

Rather than their corrupt candidate.

they lost a bunch of $$ in 2008 and are terrified they will lose more. Bernie represents change and olders hate change. Even old liberals.

Don't believe everything you hear on the radio. The exit polls do not support that nonsense.

Those people are not rich.

But if they're that stupid, then we'll all suffer.

I doubt that that happens though.

No doubt in my mind. This person we are nominating....is a weak candidate, an unlikable candidate, is under FBI investigation, votes in favor of war, and completely supports the 1%. She supports trade deals that sends American jobs overseas. She supports visa programs that brings foreign labor into America so companies can fire Americans workers and higher the foreign workers for cheaper.

This is a bad candidate. And Trump is going to beat her.

Some of them are despicable right-wingers and others just don't like smart, ambitious women.

FFS, one look at her approval ratings should tell you that.

Probably because she has always done her job, and that annoys the Rethugs.

Done it badly, maybe. Invisible in the Senate. Borderline incompetent as SoS. Failed spectacularly in her one significant effort as FLOTUS.

Of course, her real "job" is accumulating wealth...and she's damn good at that.

And failed in her effort as FLOTUS -- thanks to Sanders' biggest supporter, Robert Reich -- who famously persuaded Bill that NAFTA should take priority over healthcare.

While she was FLOTUS, she WAS successful in getting CHIP through, providing health care to millions of children. And that was a bigger accomplishment than Bernie managed during those same years.

Bernie is a much weaker candidate. The Rs would love to run against him and his past

a well known war monger and corporatist. I respect my own sense of ethics and I would never betray it by marking a ballot in support of someone who has pushed for so much bloodshed and misery around the world in the name of the almighty dollar. In my book that is deeply sinful. When powerful societies have degenerated, throughout history, there all always a very large number of their populations who have identified with and supported the very leaders who are bringing on that demise right up until the very end. Human psychology is a fairly twisted thing.

I agree completely!

values by voting for candidates whose "D" after their names is bogus and meaningless. Hillary belongs to the CW party -- Corporatist Warmonger. No way can I support that.

To me, it is immoral and unethical to line up behind Clinton. Cannot support the "bloodshed and misery". As citizens, it is disgraceful that we should even be put in this position.

Cher

nice.

You gave up your principles and settled for victories-in-name, now you see that as inevitable for everyone else.

Or will you have to read what you wrote a few more times to figure out what you meant?

The youth vote is no different than it has been over the last 5 presidential elections cycles. It varies from 13% - 15% so as much as it feels like a massive movement, it's not really. I wish MORE young people were engaged in our Democracy but if history is any judge (and it is) that group of voters is not nearly as important as the over 40 crowd. Them old farts turn out election after election - for every election from dog catcher, to school board, to Presidential elections. Again - statistics don't lie. Sorry.

If you are interested in really building a significant voice for the 18 - 24 category, get everyone you know in the habit of voting - every chance you can. Become informed and vote consistently at every election - not just the trendy ones - sheriff, city council, mayor, school levies, every possible election - and that includes student body elections if you happen to be in college. Any idea how many students vote in your average student body election? 2%. Get your friends in the habit of voting and remember - win some, lose some.

Fortunately we're mature enough to try to help you as you tantrum.

thanks dearie