2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumFraud and More in New York. Did someone access Bernie's Voter Files?
Alba Guerrero was dumbfounded. Shed arrived at her polling place in Ozone Park, Queens only to be told that she had been registered as a Republican since 2004.
That was news to her. She remembers registering to vote for the first time as a Democrat so she could vote for Barack Obama in the general election in 2008. When she recently moved from Manhattan to Ozone Park, in Queens, she re-registered at the DMV, she says, and even checked online on March 9th to be sure she was registered at her new address.
But when she showed up to vote for Bernie Sanders at PS63 on Tuesday, she says she was told she couldnt. New York is a closed primary, where only registered Democrats can vote in the Democratic Primaryand voters had to be registered by last October. She was toldvery politely, she wants to make clearby poll workers to take it up with a judge. She was given a court order in nearby Forest Hills.
Guerrero drove to the Queens County Board of Elections and pled her case, but Judge Ira Margulis initially turned her away.
The judge tells me, No, thats it2004. He shows me, Im registered as a Republican. He says theres nothing we can do, she said.
But on her way out she saw a Board of Elections worker holding something with her name on it. It was her 2004 voter registration, replete, she remembers, with her name, her social security number, her birthdayand someone elses signature.
I said, Excuse me, thats not my signature, she said. Its not my handwriting. It showed completely different signatures.
...Mistakes were made04.19.16 7:10 PM ET
Failure, Fraud and More In New Yorks Punk Rock Voting Disaster
Voters across New York are telling horror stories about their inability to cast a ballot because of everything from broken voting machines to clerical errors over shared middle names.
Alba Guerrero was dumbfounded. Shed arrived at her polling place in Ozone Park, Queens only to be told that she had been registered as a Republican since 2004.
That was news to her. She remembers registering to vote for the first time as a Democrat so she could vote for Barack Obama in the general election in 2008. When she recently moved from Manhattan to Ozone Park, in Queens, she re-registered at the DMV, she says, and even checked online on March 9th to be sure she was registered at her new address.
But when she showed up to vote for Bernie Sanders at PS63 on Tuesday, she says she was told she couldnt. New York is a closed primary, where only registered Democrats can vote in the Democratic Primaryand voters had to be registered by last October. She was toldvery politely, she wants to make clearby poll workers to take it up with a judge. She was given a court order in nearby Forest Hills.
Guerrero drove to the Queens County Board of Elections and pled her case, but Judge Ira Margulis initially turned her away.
The judge tells me, No, thats it2004. He shows me, Im registered as a Republican. He says theres nothing we can do, she said.
But on her way out she saw a Board of Elections worker holding something with her name on it. It was her 2004 voter registration, replete, she remembers, with her name, her social security number, her birthdayand someone elses signature.
I said, Excuse me, thats not my signature, she said. Its not my handwriting. It showed completely different signatures.
Sure enough, the signatures are strikingly different. Next to a box checked Republican, her 2004 signature is written in clear, deliberate, legible cursive and includes her middle name. Her more recent signature is a loopy, illegible scrawl. She insists shes never changed it in her life, and says she can produce old tax forms to prove it.
LOTS MORE AT THE LINK.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/19/failure-fraud-and-more-in-new-york-s-punk-rock-voting-disaster.html
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)Another conspiracy theory?
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)You mean like that?
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)And it's not a night to launch conspiracies theories.
Her victory is huge. Time for everyone to catch a breath, lick wounds, and for both sides to regroup amongst themselves.
amborin
(16,631 posts)kstewart33
(6,551 posts)That is huge. The popular vote lead is also a big deal, but it's the delegates that determine the nomination.
RichVRichV
(885 posts)Right now she's leaving NY with +21 delegates to her lead (possibly as high as +25). That's an excellent night for her any way you look at it, but still less than half the delegates Bernie netted from Washington State. New York definitely hurts Bernie's chances but it's not a knock out blow.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)NY isn't her home state. It's Bernie's.
Read the headlines this morning in the papers, online and on TV.
Assuredly, no Hillary Democrat in NY this morning is embarrassed. They are happy and relieved.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)if every single problem in every single state benefits her. No fraud, no dishonesty. Why Hillary is a pillar of integrity and honesty and her approval polls prove it. After all, she is entitled, being next to inherit the throne and all. Besides it's not like she desperately want's to rule the American empire. No, it's all just coincidence.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)oasis
(49,389 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)oasis
(49,389 posts)LisaL
(44,973 posts)One doesn't register as a Bernie voter.
oasis
(49,389 posts)no answer.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)oasis
(49,389 posts)the master plan must have flopped.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)will deliver (in other words, they will get a hell of a return on their investment).
pacalo
(24,721 posts)metroins
(2,550 posts)Just randomly saw an election worker who magically had her card, and with super vision, she read it.
I'm sorry, but this is spin spin CT crazy talk.
I'd need a source with a link to the real court transcripts to believe it.
ecstatic
(32,707 posts)Obama voter, now Bernie? Anyway, glad she got everything cleared up!
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)That was news to her. She remembers registering to vote for the first time as a Democrat so she could vote for Barack Obama in the general election in 2008. When she recently moved from Manhattan to Ozone Park, in Queens, she re-registered at the DMV, she says, and even checked online on March 9th to be sure she was registered at her new address.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Here's a hint: You don't need to be registered in a party to vote in the general election. So her memory that she registered as a Democrat so she could vote for Obama in the 2008 general election is wrong.
LisaL
(44,973 posts)In general, everybody who is registered (regardless of the party) is able to vote for whatever candidate they prefer.
So one doesn't need to be a registered democrat to vote for Obama.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,365 posts)Thanks for the thread, Skwmom.