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Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:50 PM Apr 2016

Fraud and More in New York. Did someone access Bernie's Voter Files?

Alba Guerrero was dumbfounded. She’d arrived at her polling place in Ozone Park, Queens only to be told that she had been registered as a Republican since 2004.

That was news to her. She remembers registering to vote for the first time as a Democrat so she could vote for Barack Obama in the general election in 2008. When she recently moved from Manhattan to Ozone Park, in Queens, she re-registered at the DMV, she says, and even checked online on March 9th to be sure she was registered at her new address.

But when she showed up to vote for Bernie Sanders at PS63 on Tuesday, she says she was told she couldn’t. New York is a closed primary, where only registered Democrats can vote in the Democratic Primary—and voters had to be registered by last October. She was told—very politely, she wants to make clear—by poll workers to take it up with a judge. She was given a court order in nearby Forest Hills.

Guerrero drove to the Queens County Board of Elections and pled her case, but Judge Ira Margulis initially turned her away.

“The judge tells me, ‘No, that’s it—2004.’ He shows me, I’m registered as a Republican. He says there’s nothing we can do,” she said.

But on her way out she saw a Board of Elections worker holding something with her name on it. It was her 2004 voter registration, replete, she remembers, with her name, her social security number, her birthday—and someone else’s signature.

“I said, ‘Excuse me, that’s not my signature,’” she said. “It’s not my handwriting. It showed completely different signatures.”

...Mistakes were made04.19.16 7:10 PM ET
Failure, Fraud and More In New York’s Punk Rock Voting Disaster
Voters across New York are telling horror stories about their inability to cast a ballot because of everything from broken voting machines to clerical errors over shared middle names.

Alba Guerrero was dumbfounded. She’d arrived at her polling place in Ozone Park, Queens only to be told that she had been registered as a Republican since 2004.

That was news to her. She remembers registering to vote for the first time as a Democrat so she could vote for Barack Obama in the general election in 2008. When she recently moved from Manhattan to Ozone Park, in Queens, she re-registered at the DMV, she says, and even checked online on March 9th to be sure she was registered at her new address.

But when she showed up to vote for Bernie Sanders at PS63 on Tuesday, she says she was told she couldn’t. New York is a closed primary, where only registered Democrats can vote in the Democratic Primary—and voters had to be registered by last October. She was told—very politely, she wants to make clear—by poll workers to take it up with a judge. She was given a court order in nearby Forest Hills.

Guerrero drove to the Queens County Board of Elections and pled her case, but Judge Ira Margulis initially turned her away.

“The judge tells me, ‘No, that’s it—2004.’ He shows me, I’m registered as a Republican. He says there’s nothing we can do,” she said.

But on her way out she saw a Board of Elections worker holding something with her name on it. It was her 2004 voter registration, replete, she remembers, with her name, her social security number, her birthday—and someone else’s signature.

“I said, ‘Excuse me, that’s not my signature,’” she said. “It’s not my handwriting. It showed completely different signatures.”

Sure enough, the signatures are strikingly different. Next to a box checked “Republican,” her 2004 signature is written in clear, deliberate, legible cursive and includes her middle name. Her more recent signature is a loopy, illegible scrawl. She insists she’s never changed it in her life, and says she can produce old tax forms to prove it.


LOTS MORE AT THE LINK.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/19/failure-fraud-and-more-in-new-york-s-punk-rock-voting-disaster.html

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Fraud and More in New York. Did someone access Bernie's Voter Files? (Original Post) Skwmom Apr 2016 OP
Please. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #1
How did they identify the voter to change her registration? Skwmom Apr 2016 #2
Server hack? Same way I'm getting shit loads of Hillary Victory Fund literature in my snailmail box nc4bo Apr 2016 #5
It's a terrible night for Bernie supporters. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #7
Huge? 15% in HER alleged home state is NOT huge; it's rather embarrassing amborin Apr 2016 #15
It's the delegate count. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #17
Actually she is at 9.2 point lead on delegates from NY, which is lower than the popular vote dif. RichVRichV Apr 2016 #28
By any standard in any election, a 16% win is a landslide. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #31
Of course is isn't hillarys fault notadmblnd Apr 2016 #27
So who would or could fake a signature? nt nc4bo Apr 2016 #3
How did they know she was a Bernie voter? oasis Apr 2016 #4
Those questions are not part of the conspiracy theories. Hoyt Apr 2016 #8
Lotta work to erase just one Bernie voter. oasis Apr 2016 #9
And how would anyone know she is a Bernie voter? LisaL Apr 2016 #14
I wondered about that also. asked in post#4 but, oasis Apr 2016 #21
Not a lot of work when you have infinite funds. n/t Skwmom Apr 2016 #19
Not a cost effective process. No one else came forward so oasis Apr 2016 #22
You don't put all your eggs in one basket and its chump change to the millions a Clinton presidency Skwmom Apr 2016 #23
Same masterminds who project the winner at the 2% point? pacalo Apr 2016 #25
Wtf? No source? metroins Apr 2016 #6
Interesting transformation. A rethug during Bush's reign, then an ecstatic Apr 2016 #10
She NEVER said she was a Republican. Skwmom Apr 2016 #24
This is sloppy conspiracy theory nonsense mythology Apr 2016 #11
True that. LisaL Apr 2016 #12
The signatures did not match. Skwmom Apr 2016 #20
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #13
Kick Zira Apr 2016 #16
K & R AzDar Apr 2016 #18
Conspiracy my ass. There are tons of these kinds of stories all over the net. bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #26
Are you hearing about this on the propaganda channels? Skwmom Apr 2016 #29
And if it's on the internet it MUST be true... brooklynite Apr 2016 #30

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
5. Server hack? Same way I'm getting shit loads of Hillary Victory Fund literature in my snailmail box
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:54 PM
Apr 2016

You mean like that?

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
7. It's a terrible night for Bernie supporters.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:58 PM
Apr 2016

And it's not a night to launch conspiracies theories.

Her victory is huge. Time for everyone to catch a breath, lick wounds, and for both sides to regroup amongst themselves.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
17. It's the delegate count.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:45 PM
Apr 2016

That is huge. The popular vote lead is also a big deal, but it's the delegates that determine the nomination.

RichVRichV

(885 posts)
28. Actually she is at 9.2 point lead on delegates from NY, which is lower than the popular vote dif.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:38 AM
Apr 2016

Right now she's leaving NY with +21 delegates to her lead (possibly as high as +25). That's an excellent night for her any way you look at it, but still less than half the delegates Bernie netted from Washington State. New York definitely hurts Bernie's chances but it's not a knock out blow.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
31. By any standard in any election, a 16% win is a landslide.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:31 AM
Apr 2016

NY isn't her home state. It's Bernie's.

Read the headlines this morning in the papers, online and on TV.

Assuredly, no Hillary Democrat in NY this morning is embarrassed. They are happy and relieved.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
27. Of course is isn't hillarys fault
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:17 AM
Apr 2016

if every single problem in every single state benefits her. No fraud, no dishonesty. Why Hillary is a pillar of integrity and honesty and her approval polls prove it. After all, she is entitled, being next to inherit the throne and all. Besides it's not like she desperately want's to rule the American empire. No, it's all just coincidence.

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
23. You don't put all your eggs in one basket and its chump change to the millions a Clinton presidency
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:00 AM
Apr 2016

will deliver (in other words, they will get a hell of a return on their investment).

metroins

(2,550 posts)
6. Wtf? No source?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:55 PM
Apr 2016

Just randomly saw an election worker who magically had her card, and with super vision, she read it.

I'm sorry, but this is spin spin CT crazy talk.

I'd need a source with a link to the real court transcripts to believe it.

ecstatic

(32,707 posts)
10. Interesting transformation. A rethug during Bush's reign, then an
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:14 PM
Apr 2016

Obama voter, now Bernie? Anyway, glad she got everything cleared up!

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
24. She NEVER said she was a Republican.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:03 AM
Apr 2016


That was news to her. She remembers registering to vote for the first time as a Democrat so she could vote for Barack Obama in the general election in 2008. When she recently moved from Manhattan to Ozone Park, in Queens, she re-registered at the DMV, she says, and even checked online on March 9th to be sure she was registered at her new address.
 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
11. This is sloppy conspiracy theory nonsense
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:29 PM
Apr 2016

Here's a hint: You don't need to be registered in a party to vote in the general election. So her memory that she registered as a Democrat so she could vote for Obama in the 2008 general election is wrong.

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
12. True that.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:33 PM
Apr 2016

In general, everybody who is registered (regardless of the party) is able to vote for whatever candidate they prefer.
So one doesn't need to be a registered democrat to vote for Obama.

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