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Jeff Weaver just admitted on MSNBC that they don't care (Original Post) sufrommich Apr 2016 OP
Well, they can try, but why would the super delegates switch? tammywammy Apr 2016 #1
They wouldn't switch. This is a call from the Sanders sufrommich Apr 2016 #5
The WA state ones should artislife Apr 2016 #34
They won't, and here's a little math to help you understand why.. Johnyawl Apr 2016 #53
Well, I will vote for my issues anyway artislife Apr 2016 #73
Everybody should vote their principles... Johnyawl Apr 2016 #97
They would switch because Sanders has a better chance of winning against any one of the JDPriestly Apr 2016 #55
+1000 amborin Apr 2016 #71
So all the people who already voted don't matter? all american girl Apr 2016 #86
California -- with an extremely high population and number of voters as well as one of if not JDPriestly Apr 2016 #98
Well, I didn't say he needed to get out all american girl Apr 2016 #99
He is a real piece of shit. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #2
Agreed. NurseJackie Apr 2016 #4
+1 nt Trenzalore Apr 2016 #9
Well, that's the truth Stuckinthebush Apr 2016 #23
Oh yea, that makes us want to support Hillary... ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #24
.... LexVegas Apr 2016 #26
Wait, what? all american girl Apr 2016 #87
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #33
Classy. No need to make this personal. grossproffit Apr 2016 #37
Just a taste of the 'class' you're going to be seeing COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #60
Oh, you're already seeing it. nolawarlock Apr 2016 #65
I once went looking for a cake recipe. A f*@&ing yellow cake recipe Maru Kitteh Apr 2016 #75
Yep. I never expected our own version of the COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #92
Look at the TRANSPARENCY page before engaging. The "T" should read toxic. nt nc4bo Apr 2016 #38
lol PeaceNikki Apr 2016 #54
That goes both ways mythology Apr 2016 #74
Yes it does. nt nc4bo Apr 2016 #83
Unbelievable! bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #39
Lex, to whom are you referring? PeaceNikki Apr 2016 #40
The subject of the OP. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #45
That's what I thought, thanks!! PeaceNikki Apr 2016 #47
He means Weaver obamanut2012 Apr 2016 #49
I knew that. I was clarifying for some other confused soul. PeaceNikki Apr 2016 #50
Wow obamanut2012 Apr 2016 #82
Jesus... If that's how you try to convince us to support Hillary, desmiller Apr 2016 #68
I'd prefer not to count your ass The Second Stone Apr 2016 #77
Fine by me. :) desmiller Apr 2016 #79
Butt seriously, couldn't you just raise your hand and we could count that The Second Stone Apr 2016 #80
It's a little unusual for a candidate to have an ongoing FBI investigation. DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #3
That isn't even close to what he said. nt sufrommich Apr 2016 #6
+1 JudyM Apr 2016 #12
This is why we can't have nice things. nt Codeine Apr 2016 #7
By attacking the DNC, he just attacked the Super Delegates. Good luck with that. It's over. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #8
Clinton's negatives are very, very high and not likely to diminish. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #58
The fact that Republicans barely mention Sanders should tell you everything you need to know. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #64
It tells me only that they don't think he will win. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #66
I agree he should stay in but he should focus on general policy and discontinue attacking her direct Trust Buster Apr 2016 #69
He doesn't attack her. He simply disagrees with her policies. JDPriestly Apr 2016 #72
Why should he stay in? Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #93
He has a large group of supporters that wish to participate in future primary states. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #94
Clinton will likely be indicted. (nt) w4rma Apr 2016 #10
Do they know something that we don't know? Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2016 #14
If we have another economic crash in October, Trump will easily beat out Hillary. fasttense Apr 2016 #29
In your dreams. Starry Messenger Apr 2016 #91
How embarrassing. JaneyVee Apr 2016 #11
A walking, shambling mound of bullshit. nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #13
Unbelievable bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #41
Ugh. ismnotwasm Apr 2016 #15
Hillary cites RFK assassination in explaining why she's still in race - MAY 23 2008 chascarrillo Apr 2016 #16
Jaw drops. PyaarRevolution Apr 2016 #27
What a sad little man CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #17
Maybe he'll retire from the Senate ever thought about that...that lil man is very intelligent. bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #42
Super delegates bad! mcar Apr 2016 #18
does his paycheck stop if Bernie withdraws? Follow the money. DrDan Apr 2016 #19
Let 'em try... brooklynite Apr 2016 #20
He seemed obsessive to me Dem2 Apr 2016 #21
The Democratic Party establishment can go fuck themselves AZ Progressive Apr 2016 #22
Are you even a member of the COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #62
I'm an Imperialist ??? Setsuna1972 Apr 2016 #88
So supers for Hillary was a sham, but Bernie wooing them is not hypocritical? Wow Sheepshank Apr 2016 #25
Weaver is delusional. Reminds me of Rove on election night 2012. ecstatic Apr 2016 #28
The delusion lives on. If people believe this guy who just wants some more donations boston bean Apr 2016 #30
Oh sorry for you, she just wants your $353,400 at a time. k8conant Apr 2016 #52
That's crazy. herding cats Apr 2016 #31
After calling them undemocratic corporate whores? workinclasszero Apr 2016 #32
Is that against the rules? If not fine but not likely to be successful. PufPuf23 Apr 2016 #35
Another proud, shimmering moment in one of the most unhinged and ridiculously run campaigns Number23 Apr 2016 #36
It's unlikely to work. frustrated_lefty Apr 2016 #43
"no Hillary supporter has the right to speak about hypocrisy" desmiller Apr 2016 #57
He is a fucking nut case. boston bean Apr 2016 #44
Jeff Weaver is a fucking weasel. NuclearDem Apr 2016 #46
Bernie is running a great campaign and those Hillary supporters in this thread that are calling bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #48
Me too. This name-calling shit after winning is for the birds - no pun intended desmiller Apr 2016 #59
B-b-but party unity! n/t Jon Ace Apr 2016 #61
It's some pretty twisted shit. But then it may explain why they support a war monger and corporate GoneFishin Apr 2016 #76
The Sanders campaign will not be able to flip many if any super delegates Gothmog Apr 2016 #51
If Sanders had upset Clinton in NY, then their campaign could make the case to the SDs Algernon Moncrieff Apr 2016 #56
How about that John Podesta? SHRED Apr 2016 #63
It won't work. nolawarlock Apr 2016 #67
A lot of whiners on this post! Logical Apr 2016 #70
Wow, talk about voter disenfranchisement! auntpurl Apr 2016 #78
What did you expect from a career politician? nt. Rincewind Apr 2016 #81
If you want to see why Sanders isn't more successful, look no farther than Weaver. What a clown. FSogol Apr 2016 #84
How democratic. yardwork Apr 2016 #85
It's okay leftynyc Apr 2016 #89
So if things were reversed you don't think Hillary would woo the supers? Vinca Apr 2016 #90
revolution bigtree Apr 2016 #95
Statements like that will just make Bernie lose bigger in the upcoming contests. MoonRiver Apr 2016 #96

tammywammy

(26,582 posts)
1. Well, they can try, but why would the super delegates switch?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:54 PM
Apr 2016

They aren't going to override the candidate with the most pledged delegates.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
34. The WA state ones should
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:14 PM
Apr 2016

We have overwhelmingly supported Bernie in the two parts of our caucus so far.


And by the reaction to the mention of the superdelegates on Sunday, they will face the public in the future. I know I will not vote for them again if they don't. I have always voted for the Dems, I don't care if Patty and Maria don't go back to the Senate. They voted for the TPP anyway.

Johnyawl

(3,205 posts)
53. They won't, and here's a little math to help you understand why..
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:48 PM
Apr 2016

Sanders supporters won the overwhelming majority of the approximately 200,000 democrats who showed up for the caucus. This is not to be sneezed at or denigrated, it's a major accomplishment.

Maria Cantwell won re-election 4 years ago with 1,800,000 votes. In the same election Jay Inslee won the governor's race with
1,500,000 votes.

So realistically there are approximately 1,500,000 to 1,800,000 democratic and democratic leaning voters in Washington state.

Obviously there are both HRC and Sanders supporters in those numbers.

So why did 1,300,000 to 1,600,000 democratic and democratic leaning voters NOT go to the caucus?
a) too busy
b) too tired
c) too apathetic
d) too cynical
e) just don't give a rats ass, will vote for either candidate.

For anybody who pays attention to politics in this state the answer is overwhelmingly e)

When November rolls around if HRC is the candidate this state will go for HRC and reelect all the democratic super delegates to the offices they hold. If Sanders is the candidate this state will go for Sanders and reelect all the democratic super delegates to the offices they hold.


 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
73. Well, I will vote for my issues anyway
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:32 AM
Apr 2016

But I live in a precinct that is borderline red/blue=eastside. So I may be able to make an impact still.

I paid to sit at a lunch with those two, and I will never do that again.

Johnyawl

(3,205 posts)
97. Everybody should vote their principles...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:54 AM
Apr 2016

"I paid to sit at a lunch with those two, and I will never do that again."

Yeah, I hear that! I spend several years active in the democratic party in South King County, my wife ran for office, and we were heavily involved in the party at the county and LD level. When you see them up close you discover even the politicians you loved, admired and respected were basically self centered egotists. I don't think a person can succeed in politics without that. I still vote for them, I just don't want to be around them.

SE King County is pretty Red. All of my representatives at the state level are republicans, and I'm stuck with Reichert. Thank god the dems seem to have a lock on the state wide races.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
55. They would switch because Sanders has a better chance of winning against any one of the
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:53 PM
Apr 2016

possible Republican candidates in November than Hillary.

That is an excellent reason to switch.

The poll numbers are there.

There are several other reasons that they may switch between now and the convention. Bernie should not quit the race until the convention.

Anything can happen. It may be an open convention, and Bernie would have the best chance in November.

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
86. So all the people who already voted don't matter?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:46 AM
Apr 2016

I'm confused....Say she has the most pledged delegates, meaning more voters voted for her, the supers should overturn the will of the people in the Democratic primary? If it was reversed, would you think it was a good idea?

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
98. California -- with an extremely high population and number of voters as well as one of if not
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:37 PM
Apr 2016

the most diverse populations in the country, does not vote until June 7. It's not over until the last voter votes.

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
99. Well, I didn't say he needed to get out
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:42 PM
Apr 2016

There are a few more states until CA. But this thread is about Weaver saying that they would try to change the SD to win the nom...so all the people who have voted and say she has more delegates, no of that matters?

all american girl

(1,788 posts)
87. Wait, what?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:47 AM
Apr 2016

Bernie's campaign manager is talking about overturning the will of the people, and you are mad at Hillary people because they think this is wrong?

Response to LexVegas (Reply #2)

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
60. Just a taste of the 'class' you're going to be seeing
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:59 PM
Apr 2016

from Bernie supporters from now on. They're coming apart.

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
65. Oh, you're already seeing it.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:13 AM
Apr 2016

As I said elsewhere, CNN's Facebook page had a post about the people who died in the flood in Houston and Bernie supporters were derailing the tragic topic of thread by ranting about CNN's delegate count. It was truly the most disgusting low point I've seen in this election.

I've always had a huge issue with the way right wingers go onto the most random news story and start going on about "liberals," "Obama," "Illegals" or whatever, and nine times of ten, the story's not even about politics! I read one article about a little girl having a heart transplant and it became all about liberals are evil. I swear you could read an article about a horse winning a horse race and they'd make it about politics. Well, now we've got our own version of that on the left and it is a very said thing.

Maru Kitteh

(28,340 posts)
75. I once went looking for a cake recipe. A f*@&ing yellow cake recipe
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:41 AM
Apr 2016

And when I looked in the comments for tips and hints, it had devolved into socialist Obamacare. A cake recipe. I shit you not.

I've seen similar behavior from rude little BB's and babes as well. I know we'll probably see a last mad burst of flames and venom , but I'm glad it's going to start winding down now.

desmiller

(747 posts)
79. Fine by me. :)
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:28 AM
Apr 2016

But I'm a little nicer than people think. I like to count people of all skin tones. I don't discriminate. Especially when I count people in my "Naughty List", and guess what? Your number is up!


Congrats!!!

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
80. Butt seriously, couldn't you just raise your hand and we could count that
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:33 AM
Apr 2016

I really don't want to think about your black ass. Unless you are Beyonce or Rhianna or Halle or Wanda Sykes. On second thought, skip Wanda.

 

DemocracyDirect

(708 posts)
3. It's a little unusual for a candidate to have an ongoing FBI investigation.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 10:54 PM
Apr 2016

So I don't think its that strange at all.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
58. Clinton's negatives are very, very high and not likely to diminish.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:58 PM
Apr 2016

Sanders' positives are very, very high and his negatives very, very low. He is likely to win against any of the Republican candidates. Hillary is riskier.

And our Party is split. It will be easier for Hillary supporters to switch to Bernie than for Bernie supporters to switch to Hillary.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
64. The fact that Republicans barely mention Sanders should tell you everything you need to know.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:04 AM
Apr 2016

They would love to run against him.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
66. It tells me only that they don't think he will win.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:14 AM
Apr 2016

But you never know. Sanders now has name recognition. No matter what happens in the Party, his polling in face-offs with every one of the Republicans show Bernie winning.

He should stay in the race. Many of us in California want to vote for him.

And a lot can happen in so far as Hillary is concerned between now and the election.

She has several problems. Even if she should win the nomination, she could still have problems.

She is popular among the elite of the Democratic Party, and that gets her lots of primary votes, but how she would do in a general election? I don't think she is a strong candidate at all.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
69. I agree he should stay in but he should focus on general policy and discontinue attacking her direct
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:26 AM
Apr 2016

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
72. He doesn't attack her. He simply disagrees with her policies.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:32 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary had favored companies that are her donors on votes and as Secretary of State, but Bernie did not "tell" on her. He has been very careful not to attack her.

She has attacked him.

They have policy differences.

Bernie is building a movement. This is not just about an election for those of us who support Bernie. I think Bernie is doing the right things and should not change one hair on his head or any aspect of his campaign.

Hillary can't deal with it because she is a weak candidate. She does not have the temperament to be a president, and it shows.

Now Obama. He has the temperament to be a president. He does not react to every tiny slight. Slights are a part of life. Bernie handles them well. Hillary???? Not so much. Very sensitive. Hypersensitive. And it isn't because she is a woman. It's because she is Hillary.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
29. If we have another economic crash in October, Trump will easily beat out Hillary.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:07 PM
Apr 2016

But he can't win against Bernie if we have another crash as expected.

 

CorkySt.Clair

(1,507 posts)
17. What a sad little man
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:00 PM
Apr 2016

At some point Bernie might want to start thinking about his rep in the Senate, committee assignments etc.

brooklynite

(94,592 posts)
20. Let 'em try...
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:00 PM
Apr 2016

...about as successful as Katich's attempt to get the GOP nomination as "most electable".

AZ Progressive

(3,411 posts)
22. The Democratic Party establishment can go fuck themselves
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:02 PM
Apr 2016

If the Democratic Party members really wanted Hillary, they wouldn't have had to do so much cheating and mud slinging.

I will never accept a Democratic Party establishment ruled by big corporations, the rich, and imperialists.

ecstatic

(32,707 posts)
28. Weaver is delusional. Reminds me of Rove on election night 2012.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:05 PM
Apr 2016

Is he serious? He still thinks that after everything that's happened with the BernieBros attacking superdelegates and the two dnc lawsuit threats during an election year?

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
30. The delusion lives on. If people believe this guy who just wants some more donations
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:08 PM
Apr 2016

to line his pocket 27 bucks at a time, I feel sorry for them.

They are being had.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
32. After calling them undemocratic corporate whores?
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:11 PM
Apr 2016

They think their hate speech towards those people will inspire them to drop Hillary...the people's choice with MILLIONS move votes than Sanders and move to him??

What a bunch of DUMBASSES! Damn!

PufPuf23

(8,785 posts)
35. Is that against the rules? If not fine but not likely to be successful.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:16 PM
Apr 2016

The existing rules, DNC, and Democratic Party establishment favored the front running candidate, Hillary Clinton.

For Sanders to continue campaigning up to the Democratic convention is good just for the fact that Clinton and the Democratic Party will do better in the general election and down tickets the better they know and address the liberals that support Sanders.

If not against the rules to solicit super-delegates, why not? It is good for the Party and nation.

frustrated_lefty

(2,774 posts)
43. It's unlikely to work.
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:23 PM
Apr 2016

But, that may not be the point. The point may be to illustrate the dangerous power that is in the hands of the super delegates.

And, FWIW, no Hillary supporter has the right to speak about hypocrisy.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
48. Bernie is running a great campaign and those Hillary supporters in this thread that are calling
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:25 PM
Apr 2016

Weaver and Bernie names after you won tonight boggles the mind! You people seem to have gotten the confidence to be cruel, and disgusting in your comments. So when you win you call people filthy names...Glad I'm not in your group.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
76. It's some pretty twisted shit. But then it may explain why they support a war monger and corporate
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:49 AM
Apr 2016

money grubber.

Gothmog

(145,306 posts)
51. The Sanders campaign will not be able to flip many if any super delegates
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:45 PM
Apr 2016

This strategy is really sad and deserving of pity

Algernon Moncrieff

(5,790 posts)
56. If Sanders had upset Clinton in NY, then their campaign could make the case to the SDs
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 11:54 PM
Apr 2016

That's not what happened.

The media made much of the run of states Sanders won coming into this, but they were all states in his demographic wheelhouse. Now, the race turns to states more prone to support Secretary Clinton. Also, after the New York win, expect the national polls to start swinging back in Clinton's direction.

That is not to say that Sanders has not run a competitive race, and he's raised a ton of money. In the end, I don't think Weaver will sway any SDs.

I suspect that the other strategy Weaver will recommend is shifting the campaign to California now, and seeing if Sanders can pull an upset there.

nolawarlock

(1,729 posts)
67. It won't work.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:22 AM
Apr 2016

Look at the Facebook pages of nearly any of the super delegates. There are Sanders supporters ranting and raving at them in the comments and derailing existing posts on other topics. I'd be shocked if many of these supers would actually switch after that, especially with Hillary leading in the delegate count.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
89. It's okay
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:55 AM
Apr 2016

So many people who matter are getting turned off Bernie because of his attitude and this weaver guy is a real slime. His scuzzy campaign is starting to catch up with him.

Vinca

(50,278 posts)
90. So if things were reversed you don't think Hillary would woo the supers?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:57 AM
Apr 2016

Give me a break. The woman doesn't have wings on her back and a halo over her head.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
95. revolution
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:45 AM
Apr 2016

...doncha know?

The party will rally behind the vote and delegate leader. I think Weaver is drunk if he believes his own nonsense.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
96. Statements like that will just make Bernie lose bigger in the upcoming contests.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:45 AM
Apr 2016

Nobody likes a sore loser, especially one who could give a damn about the will of the people. And I refuse to give Bernie a pass for what his "surrogates" say. They are all on the same page.

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