Closed primary, no one could switch since last year. But hey great victory in the boy's club you got there.

...but if you want me to go over it again Washington is not closed, we are the most open and possibly one of the easiest to vote on, he won big here, way more than she won in NY. People can vote here on election day, does not matter what party you are in. We can vote by mail in. She lost here because we are open. I HATE all closed versions, I have complained about them all! How are you not able to grasp that in a proportional election with a candidate that crushes her in the independent votes I would not want every election open? Think about it! He wins in high turn out and open...she wins in closed and lower. When they said turn out was not up to par on 2008 and that this was closed I knew he lost.

I take it that means like in the NY primary I should have been registered here 6 months ago for my opinion to count?

To both of you, nice to open replies no kindness!

A total of 230,000 participants. I don't see the comparison.

Many people are lazy and they just vote in the primary coming up because they mail out the ballots for those. He had a turn out close to when we supported Obama last election, it was 93.8%. That is a whole nother thing. No clue why the hell many more do not show up or mail in in one of the easiest places to vote. The caucus can be way more fun, but they are also more cheap from the sounds of it. I have voted in Arizona and in Arkansas and this one is the easiest for me. If they did not have the mail in, then I would be less of a fan.

It's hard to claim that you're for more people voting if you aren't adamantly against caucuses.

But open mail in primaries are the best, postage paid would be ultimate, that is WA in generals, just not paid.

have military service, religious observances, are sick or are disabled on Caucus day. In fact, Clinton's campaign mailed an immense number of surrogate ballots to elderly voters all over the state.

The WA Dem Party received 30,000 surrogate ballots in all...and still Clinton lost in a huge Bernie landslide.

It turns out that it's the people who make the rules that actually limit turnout in both primaries and caucuses. And I am adamantly against caucuses...and closed primaries. At least caucuses do not use taxpayer money to run them. Closed primaries like the one in NY do, while disenfranchising a majority of the very taxpayers who pay for them.

and this vetting was nothing compared to what would have happened in the General election.

symptomatic of the "scattershot" approach to the NY campaign; also, the decision to go was Sanders's alone.

And Sanders still won the state outside of NYC.

It's what right wingers do

Proof please.

two things which really have not only no place in New York Dem politics, but no place in Democratic politics or American politics anywhere. Capitalism isn't perfect, and needs reform, but owns socialism anyday. Zionism will continue for ever, and may it do so. Hillary is on the correct side, Bernie is not.

Opposed to Profits Ubher Alles pirate Monopoly Capitalism and Wall St. Piggishness that fucks workers and consumers so they can add a few percentage points, conquer all markets, kill all competition....and so the Biggest Swine at the top can buy their 5th million dollar home.

Healthy, ethical and competitive capitalism with social responsibility is not the same as the new Gilded Age that the Clintions and their cronies espouse and practice.

he never polled ahead of her here. he didn't lose because of one remark, he lost because people like and trust her more in NY

Not Hillary's fault she is more in demand.

to actual employers/industries in ny.

It's not rocket science. Oh and a Closed Primary didn't hurt.

And for the record, It's cool that Clinton has the Black and Latino vote, nothing wrong with it. She's a known commodity among those folks and for whatever reason, they seem to support her.

But let's not pretend all this parsing and gnashing of teeth is going to divine some higher truth in this. Simply stated, Demographics and a Closed Primary Matter.

and yeah demographics matter. Clinton win states that look like the democratic party.

How in the fuck can you call yourself the Democratic Party with the superdelegate thing being such a huge factor?? That's not democratic, that is the definition of anti-democratic. Then there's Iowa and New Hampshire always going first...idiocy. Then there's all the Southern Conservative Bible Thumpin' states going next... usually after that it's considered the "people have spoken"and it's a done deal by then.

So the stupid ass caucus system is just the tip of the stupid fucking iceberg.

but i think it should all be closed primaries (with registration deadlines within a month of the primary, not this October shit with NY), and states that look like the democratic party.

I could be argued out of the super delegates thing, but the caucuses are dumb and no one has that kind of free time. Plus asking people to register months ahead is dumb. Choice of states are dumb.

so we agree on more things than we disagree on

i would also like this to be a faster process. months of a primary create unnecessary hostility among people who agree on most issues.

That would be a good step.

Chances of that happening: 0

it has been shamed more than in previous years.

the money thing will require a lot of movement in the courts and with congress.

Sanders left NY in 1968. In 2000 New Yorkers sent Hillary to the Senate, the first woman they voted to that post. She won her reelection in 2006 by an even wider margin. She was a popular senator and SOS. She and Bill are local fixtures and are seen going out to eat, the theater, walking around the city, visiting Chelsea and Charlotte, etc. Why would they abandon her now?

The "gift" that keeps on giving.

Bernie's surrogates really killed him, they could not hide their contempt and hate for the party and its members.

He refused to call his nasty supporters out.

was the beginning of the NY end. Dr Song, The Vatican nonsense, lying, etc, just all piled on top of a very, very telling interview.

The whole edifice came crashing down and great was the wreckage of it!

Almost everthing they did, was wrong.

The Twilight of the Gods, Sanders fans.

and win as many delegates as he could .

even without this thing in the OP there would not have been much difference in the outcome.

The combination of the NYDN interview and the negative attacks on Clinton really killed Sanders