2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSanders let an anonymous quote blow up his campaign
Remember the infamous quote from an unnamed Hillary advisor that stated that the plan was to Disqualify, Defeat, and Unite the party later? It appears that the quote by itself caused Sander's campaign to go completely off the rails. Between Sander's calling Clinton not qualified and the "corporate whore" remarks, Sanders managed to disqualify and defeat himself. Was that 10 dimensional chess or what?
grasswire
(50,130 posts)silly.
egalitegirl
(362 posts)I remember that in Pakistan in the 1980s, the clerics issued fatwas against voting for a woman and said those who vote for her will go to hell. It worked then. And now in America, Madeleine Albright threatened women that they would go to hell if they did not vote for Hillary. That threat instilled fear in women who ended up voting for Hillary. Bernie voters being smart voters did not fall for such low information nonsense.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)LexVegas
(6,067 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)It was Clinton campaign officials who were briefing CNN talking heads. These were high level surrogates who are entrusted with direct media relations. You think some rogue, lower-level Hillary people just call up CNN and shoot the shit?
This was most likely her higher-level communications team members speaking authentically to CNN about strategies that they very much wanted CNN to discuss.
Additionally, the very next day, Clinton started in with the "Disqualify" leg of her strategy. Clinton and her surrogates were all over the media, tearing into Bernie. Clinton went on Morning Joe and ripped Bernie for "not being a real Democrat" and for not understanding his own plans. When Joe S asked Clinton if Bernie was qualified to be President--THREE TIMES--she refused to answer the question. Then the WaPo headline reads, "Clinton Campaign Says Sanders Not Qualified to be President."
Then, Sanders responds by saying that Hillary was unqualified because of her Iraq War votes and Wall-Street connections.
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm. Clearly. This was their plan. They enacted their plan. They started it. That's...obvious.
I will say that Sanders didn't play that well. At all. He reacted to her. Big mistake. He played right into their trap. You respond. You don't react.
But please...don't tell me that he started that.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Anybody who believed he was even making inroads is a fool. The final numbers are probably close to what we would have seen a month or two ago if the election were held then. Sanders is terminally unable to win minority support, and he loses older voters, LGBT voters, and middle income voters in large numbers. He can't fix that. His rhetoric is absolutely broken on those counts, and there isn't a damn thing a phone banker can do about it.
He's going to get knocked over in Pennsylvania. the numbers out of Philadelphia will look like the NYC numbers, and will swamp whatever gains he makes mid-state. he'll do slightly better in Pittsburgh (it will look more like Chicago), but that won't be enough either.
He will get absolutely shellacked in Maryland. Don't even watch the proceedings - it's going to be a massacre. He'll lose Baltimore city by 50 points or more.
Judging by the results in Westchester, Rockland, Nassau, and Suffolk in New York, Connecticut's not looking great either. He obviously won't win the cities there either - there's black folks in Hartford.
Rhode Island? he might lose there too.
It's going to be a push to get out of April.