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Clinton changed on torture
Hillary Clinton "actually differed with (John McCain) by arguing for exceptions for torture before changing positions."
— Barack Obama on Wednesday, January 30th, 2008 in Denver
By Angie Drobnic Holan on Friday, February 1st, 2008 at 12:00 a.m.
Barack Obama made his most direct case for the Democratic nomination at a speech on Jan. 30, 2008, in Denver. He criticized fellow Democratic candidate Hillary Clinton's candidacy, arguing that he represents a more dramatic distinction with John McCain, the apparent Republican frontrunner after winning Florida's primary.
In making his argument, Obama attacked Clinton for voting with Republicans on national security issues, among other things.
After naming a number of areas where he said Clinton and McCain had the same positions, Obama attacked Clinton for diverging from McCain on the issue of torture. Clinton "actually differed with him by arguing for exceptions for torture before changing positions when the politics of the moment changed," Obama said.
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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/feb/01/barack-obama/clinton-changed-on-torture/
You read it right. Hillary use to support torture.....
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vintx
(1,748 posts)And people are celebrating.
nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)I wish you had posted that this morning. It would have changed my vote.
Just kidding. Go Hillary!
think
(11,641 posts)nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)In particular, I cannot wait till this primary season is over.
think
(11,641 posts)nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)think
(11,641 posts)nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)I know that it meant a lot for you to say that and I don't want you to think that spilling out those emotions was for naught. They really meant something to me too.
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)in this carnation anyway.
think
(11,641 posts)Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)chin up 
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nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)This thread, however, is very funny.
vintx
(1,748 posts)Gee I remember when torture used to be a big deal to Democrats.
Thanks, DNC!
.99center
(1,237 posts)vintx
(1,748 posts)(well over the past few weeks really, but especially tonight) makes me physically ill.
The party is dead. It took a few decades for them to finish the job the DLC started, but finish it they did.
think
(11,641 posts)nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)think
(11,641 posts)vintx
(1,748 posts)nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)... is that this kind of post is just rhetoric. There's no true call for real, educated political discussion. It's one click from click-bait hoping to get folks angry. Well I'm not angry. I'm just laughing. That doesn't mean I support torture. I don't. Especially this thread so I think I might have to trash it.
think
(11,641 posts)Well, thank you for sharing that also. I think I am moved.
think
(11,641 posts)Hillary's support of torture was very relevant.
senz
(11,945 posts)think
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athena
(4,187 posts)Both Obama and Hillary are politicians.
Personally, I'd rather have a President who is willing to change her mind based on what the people want than an ideologist who doesn't care what anyone thinks.
vintx
(1,748 posts)She's done it before. Why anyone thinks she's any different now is beyond me.
If she wins she'll be right back to consulting with Kissinger on foreign policy, backing fracking and the 'clean coal' scam, pretending to 'tweak' TPP, etc. etc. etc.
It's called history and people would be wise to start learning from it.
athena
(4,187 posts)Have you read her personal diaries?
I disagree with you that Hillary is a right-winger in disguise. That's just baseless speculation. She was one of the most liberal members of the Senate. If that's not good enough for you, nothing will be.
vintx
(1,748 posts)How about this?
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/clinton-foundation-sidney-blumenthal-salary-libya-118359
Please give a detailed answer.
vintx
(1,748 posts)I guess most of her fans here are too busy celebrating the fact that the war hawk who backs regime change is one step closer to the nomination to comment.
nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)vintx
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Jack Bone
(2,023 posts)that fake 1/2 laugh makes me wanna vomit!
Scuba
(53,475 posts)think
(11,641 posts)torture...
vintx
(1,748 posts)think
(11,641 posts)just ignored it like they do now.
They just don't care that Hillary supported torture at a time the Bush administration was actively violating international law and torturing people.
