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Beacool

(30,250 posts)
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:37 AM Apr 2016

Sanders team hoping to flip Clinton superdelegates this summer

By Daniel Strauss
04/19/16

Bernie Sanders' campaign is not going away.

Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver said Tuesday night that even if, at the end of all the primaries, Hillary Clinton has won the delegates she needs for the nomination and still leads the popular vote, the Vermont Senator's team will spend the months ahead of the Democratic National Convention working to flip her superdelegates to Sanders' team.

MSNBC's Steve Kornacki asked Weaver about that scenario on Tuesday after the New York Democratic primary was called for Clinton.

"At this point yes, absolutely," Weaver said in response.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/2016-dem-primary-live-updates-and-results/2016/04/sanders-campaign-manager-222180

Either Weaver is talking out of his backside or Sanders' campaign has gone off the rails. No sense of reality.....


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Sanders team hoping to flip Clinton superdelegates this summer (Original Post) Beacool Apr 2016 OP
Delusional, or bullshit. Hard to tell with J-Weav. nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #1
J-Weav sounds like a hair salon KingFlorez Apr 2016 #2
Irony, we haz it. nt geek tragedy Apr 2016 #5
I would go with disingenuous. Beacool Apr 2016 #4
And can go on accepting donations rock Apr 2016 #34
It is only twenty five years late in starting. It would have been easier to start in Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #3
I'm just shocked that these two dweebs have the gumption to say point blank Beacool Apr 2016 #8
Maybe you are on to something here, he liked Cuba's leaders. Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #9
Didnt Bernie's crew throw a conniption over super delegates going against the will of the voters in puffy socks Apr 2016 #13
Yep, they did. Beacool Apr 2016 #24
I will wait to see if Tad Devine follows suit, especially if Hillary does well in next weeks still_one Apr 2016 #6
He's already said it in the last two weeks. Beacool Apr 2016 #10
That is true, but after tonights primary, and next weeks, there is no way he can pander still_one Apr 2016 #12
I think that's what's going to happen. Beacool Apr 2016 #14
Totally delusional and the crazy train has left the tracks! workinclasszero Apr 2016 #7
I think that Sanders has zero chance of being the nominee, but I wouldn't call him a loser. Beacool Apr 2016 #11
I think you're exactly right. griffi94 Apr 2016 #27
So BS and his cheerleaders want to steal the election and tear the Democratic Party apart? n/t SFnomad Apr 2016 #15
Flipping superdelegates isn't stealing anything AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #16
Yes, it would be an attempt to steal an election that Sanders would not have won. Beacool Apr 2016 #18
If they switch they do so voluntarily AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #20
Early in the primary season, the BS cheerleaders were saying that if Clinton won the nomination SFnomad Apr 2016 #19
Then you have no problem with superdelegates being influenced into switching sides AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #21
It's just the hypocrisy of the BS cheerleaders ... but that's hardly surprising n/t SFnomad Apr 2016 #32
I think better of Sanders than I do of Weaver and Devine. Beacool Apr 2016 #17
The US is no longer a Democracy AgingAmerican Apr 2016 #23
Hillary will be indicted. (nt) w4rma Apr 2016 #22
No, she won't be. pnwmom Apr 2016 #26
So you are saying that Clinton's shit is going to roll downhill onto everyone who worked with her. w4rma Apr 2016 #37
No, I'm not. I don't think that ever happened. Except in your dreams. n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #38
That quote came from *your* expert who *you* cited and previously thought highly of. (nt) w4rma Apr 2016 #39
He didn't say that it DID happen. He merely acknowledged he didn't know. n/t pnwmom Apr 2016 #41
So the crybabies always screaming about "fairness" vdogg Apr 2016 #25
she has a significant delegate lead, significantly more support via actual votes, DrDan Apr 2016 #28
What are they going to do? Whine to the Superdelegates until their livetohike Apr 2016 #29
Using a system that everyone agrees is corrupt must mean Sanders is corrupt himself. baldguy Apr 2016 #30
I guess in retrospect... Demsrule86 Apr 2016 #31
Yeah, the irony of it all........ Beacool Apr 2016 #36
And I'm hoping to win the Publishers Clearinghouse COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #33
I'm hoping to win the Mega or Powerball and it still hasn't happened. Beacool Apr 2016 #43
You too? Dammit - I thought I had the inside track. nt COLGATE4 Apr 2016 #45
That's delusional. It will never happen ... NurseJackie Apr 2016 #35
Bernie Sanders has surrounded himself with grifters and idiots alcibiades_mystery Apr 2016 #40
I'm hoping the Jets will win the Superbowl KittyWampus Apr 2016 #42
The Jets have a better chance of winning the Superbowl than Sanders getting the super delegates Beacool Apr 2016 #44

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
4. I would go with disingenuous.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:46 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary already has the majority of super delegates on her side. Why would they switch to Sanders if she makes it to the convention ahead in pledged delegates and the popular vote? They can't be that delusional, therefore, I go with disingenuous. Weaver and Devine know that they are just plain lying to the media and his supporters.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
8. I'm just shocked that these two dweebs have the gumption to say point blank
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:50 AM
Apr 2016

that they would attempt to subvert the will of the people. Democracy? What democracy? Do they think that they are in Cuba or Chavez' Venezuela? Maybe Putin's Russia.

 

puffy socks

(1,473 posts)
13. Didnt Bernie's crew throw a conniption over super delegates going against the will of the voters in
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:09 AM
Apr 2016

states where he won the popular vote ?

still_one

(92,217 posts)
6. I will wait to see if Tad Devine follows suit, especially if Hillary does well in next weeks
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:49 AM
Apr 2016

primaries. Tad Devine would be destroying his career if he tries to sabotage the Democratic party by trying to hijack the Super Delegates

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
10. He's already said it in the last two weeks.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:55 AM
Apr 2016

Who the hell do they think they're fooling??? Both have been around the block long enough to know that whichever candidate has the most pledged delegates will be the nominee. At this point, they are just behaving like lying weasels. Their spiel is only for Sanders supporters' ears, a way to keep them energized and voting. Both of them know full well that their candidate will not be the nominee.

still_one

(92,217 posts)
12. That is true, but after tonights primary, and next weeks, there is no way he can pander
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:01 AM
Apr 2016

that and be considered seriously, especially if Hillary does well next week.

Actually, the numbers are pretty much over for them, and the campaign should start toning down the anti-Hillary rants

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
14. I think that's what's going to happen.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:10 AM
Apr 2016

Sanders will continue his criticism of the establishment and the 1%, but I think that he will not make any attacks against Hillary.



 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
7. Totally delusional and the crazy train has left the tracks!
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:50 AM
Apr 2016

I highly doubt that any "corporate whores" are going to flip for a LOSER that trails Hillary by MILLIONS of votes!

WTH kinda drugs are these idiots on anyway???

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
11. I think that Sanders has zero chance of being the nominee, but I wouldn't call him a loser.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:58 AM
Apr 2016

He gave it his all and brought into the political process many young people, but at some point he'll have to face the reality on the ground. I do think, though, that Weaver and Devine are shameless hustlers giving Sanders bad advice.

griffi94

(3,733 posts)
27. I think you're exactly right.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:13 AM
Apr 2016

Bernie may have gotten a bit too robust with some of his comments
but at the end of the day he knows the Republibans are a disaster.

Weaver and Devine are hustlers and the promise to take it to the convention
and hope to flip undeclared delegates is just some red meat for Bernies supporters.

They will continue to raise money and campaign in each state but I'm expecting
the rhetoric to be toned down over the next months and Bernie will
endorse her at the convention and encourage his
supporters to vote for her.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
16. Flipping superdelegates isn't stealing anything
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:12 AM
Apr 2016

If they can influence them into switching to him, sweet! More power to him, sayeth I.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
18. Yes, it would be an attempt to steal an election that Sanders would not have won.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:18 AM
Apr 2016

There's zero chance that super delegates would switch to a candidate who is behind in pledged delegates and the popular vote. It's not going to happen.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
20. If they switch they do so voluntarily
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:20 AM
Apr 2016

Stealing an election is an act of fraud, not a voluntary act by super delegates. Sorry.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
19. Early in the primary season, the BS cheerleaders were saying that if Clinton won the nomination
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:18 AM
Apr 2016

because of Superdelegates and not because of the will of the voters, it would be stealing the election and it would tear the Democratic Party apart. Why isn't it stealing the election if BS does it? What excuse could possibly exist for it to be wrong for Secretary Clinton and ok for BS?

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
17. I think better of Sanders than I do of Weaver and Devine.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:16 AM
Apr 2016

After next Tuesday it will become clearer that there's no path ahead for Sanders. He'll probably stay until all states have voted, but I doubt that he would try to flip super delegates. That would go against any democratic principle.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
26. No, she won't be.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:51 AM
Apr 2016

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/03/21/law-professor-explains-why-hillary-clinton-wont/209438

University of Michigan Professor of Law and Sociology and former Department of Homeland Security classification expert Richard Lempert debunked common right-wing talking points about the FBI investigation into former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton's use of a personal server for government emails to explain why Clinton "won't be indicted and shouldn't be."

Right-wing media have hyped the idea of an imminent criminal indictment over Hillary Clinton's use of a private email server despite experts consistently debunking claims that Clinton violated the law. In a March piece for American Prospect, Lempert wrote that Clinton's email use did not constitute criminal conduct, noting that relevant law says one must "knowingly and willfully" disclose "certain categories of classified information" to violate the statutes regarding the disclosure of classified information. Lempert explained that Clinton "would have had to know she was dealing with classified information, and either that she was disclosing it to people who could not be trusted to protect the interests of the United States." He also noted that heads of agencies, such as Secretary of State, "have considerable authority with respect to classified information," including declassifying material their agency has classified (emphasis original):

http://prospect.org/article/why-hillary-wont-be-indicted-and-shouldnt-be-objective-legal-analysis

News reports suggest that the FBI is nearing the end of its inquiry into the legal issues surrounding Hillary Clinton’s use of a personal server for government emails and into the legal ramifications of classified information found in messages to and from her. Most of the reporting—and virtually all political discussion—reads as if reporters and pundits know little about the rules regarding the classification of information and what they imply not just for the likelihood of a Clinton indictment but also for whether she violated other rules regarding the proper handling of classified information, whether or not the violations constitute crimes.

What follows reflects the knowledge and experience I have gained from working at the Department of Homeland Security from 2008 until 2011. While there, I took the lead in drafting a security classification manual for one of the divisions of the DHS science and technology directorate. In this discussion, I offer answers to questions about the former secretary of state’s email that have not been frequently asked, but should be.

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w4rma

(31,700 posts)
37. So you are saying that Clinton's shit is going to roll downhill onto everyone who worked with her.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:03 PM
Apr 2016

"The same is not necessarily true of those who sent her classified information. If it could be shown that they knowingly acquired information from classified sources and sent it unmarked to an unapproved server, their fate may be less kind than Clinton’s is likely to be."

I don't see how Clinton suckering her associates into committing crimes is an improvement.

vdogg

(1,384 posts)
25. So the crybabies always screaming about "fairness"
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:47 AM
Apr 2016

Are literally going to subvert the will of the people and steal the election despite Hillary having won more pledged delegates and the popular vote? Typical. I don't want to hear any more bullshit about Bernie being the bastion of integrity. This tactic is just as slimy as it gets, he should be ashamed of himself.

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
28. she has a significant delegate lead, significantly more support via actual votes,
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:21 AM
Apr 2016

and has been supporting down-ticket candidates. She is a life-long Democrat - not a Johnny-come-lately.

Why in the world would they change their support to Bernie? Makes no sense.

livetohike

(22,145 posts)
29. What are they going to do? Whine to the Superdelegates until their
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:50 AM
Apr 2016

ears bleed? Hard to accept that everyone on the planet doesn't feel the Bern?

Got to keep those donations coming in.

Demsrule86

(68,586 posts)
31. I guess in retrospect...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:25 AM
Apr 2016

It was a bad idea to sue the DNC after his folks infiltrated the Clinton data...doubt the super- delegates are feeling friendly to a guy who does not have the majority of pledged delegates and behaves this way... and who just yesterday attacked Democrats down ballot and Sen. Clinton with a campaign finance complaint. Then he sent a fund raising letter using it...I heard it was a last minute attack using a discredited Politico story.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
33. And I'm hoping to win the Publishers Clearinghouse
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:03 AM
Apr 2016

sweepstakes. And I think my chances are a lot better than theirs.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
44. The Jets have a better chance of winning the Superbowl than Sanders getting the super delegates
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:53 PM
Apr 2016

to go against the candidate with the most pledged delegates.

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