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If you think that Hillary will unite the party... (Original Post) GoldenThunder Apr 2016 OP
Bern One Down Jack Bone Apr 2016 #1
The party will unite behind whoever Buzz cook Apr 2016 #2
welcome to the incredibly shrinking party. nt magical thyme Apr 2016 #10
Shrink it till you can drown it in the bathtub.nt Buzz cook Apr 2016 #31
all the hillary haters hated her long before they ever heard of the not-democrat bernie nt msongs Apr 2016 #3
I'll vote for a Democrat if the party actually nominates one. GoldenThunder Apr 2016 #6
I did just hear a sucking sound, actually. PBass Apr 2016 #7
I don't think you know what "popular" means. Dawgs Apr 2016 #13
You may be absolutely right. If she is the Nanjeanne Apr 2016 #25
Boy, ain't that the truth...the "Ready For Anybody But Hillary" movement Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #8
Yes it was. lovemydog Apr 2016 #32
If you think picking off super delegates from someone who won the popular and PD vote then Podium uponit7771 Apr 2016 #4
No need. They can do it alone. Downwinder Apr 2016 #5
PUMA II? n/t pampango Apr 2016 #9
Most of the Hillary haters were like Bernie, till recently -- never really in the party. nt pnwmom Apr 2016 #11
Democrats should vote for the nominee. And then push for a party which reflects our values. Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #12
The party has already been suborned by the Third Way. djean111 Apr 2016 #28
Bwah! bigwillq Apr 2016 #14
Are you going to take your ball and go home, GT? FSogol Apr 2016 #15
I'm going to fight... GoldenThunder Apr 2016 #19
& if Sanders (who is home today off the campaign trail) calls if quits and supports HRC, what then? FSogol Apr 2016 #20
Than I and millions of other Sanders supporters will carry on the fight in his stead. GoldenThunder Apr 2016 #21
I see you have the hyperbole turned up to 11. FSogol Apr 2016 #22
Oh, yes. the good ol' "Giving Aid and Comfort to the Emeny" attack GoldenThunder Apr 2016 #23
You are wrong. The Democratic party is the chance they have, not Sanders alone. FSogol Apr 2016 #24
I'm a 65 yr old life long democrat and I find her uninspiring. I think we are B Calm Apr 2016 #16
I find the fact that she's a woman inspiring ... Onlooker Apr 2016 #17
I don't vote based on the sex of the candidate. B Calm Apr 2016 #18
They don't need us. Read what they say. onecaliberal Apr 2016 #26
Elisabeth Kubler-Ross says hi./nt DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #27
Hillary will unite the Party and lead us to victory in the fall. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #29
while I will definitely vote for the D (whoever it is) Locrian Apr 2016 #30

Buzz cook

(2,472 posts)
2. The party will unite behind whoever
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:58 AM
Apr 2016

becomes the nominee. Individual members of the party will have to make up their own minds.

GoldenThunder

(300 posts)
6. I'll vote for a Democrat if the party actually nominates one.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:43 AM
Apr 2016

Otherwise, enjoy that giant sucking sound of millions of abandoned working Americans leaving this Bankster-owned party all at once.

PBass

(1,537 posts)
7. I did just hear a sucking sound, actually.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:05 AM
Apr 2016

I can't get over some people's utter refusal to believe that Hillary Clinton is POPULAR with voters. Even in the face of overwhelming evidence (Hillary leading by 2 million popular votes) some people still refuse to let go of their biases.

Nanjeanne

(4,961 posts)
25. You may be absolutely right. If she is the
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:50 AM
Apr 2016

Nominee, you will have a chance to show just how popular she is in the GE. I know many people, either long term Dems disenchanted with the Party who simply are tired of the same crappy corporatist politics lobbying for and writing bills that will be sitting out or only going to polls if there is a true progressive running down ticket. Independents will be tough for Hillary and young people will not put her over the top like they did Obama.

So come November we will get a chance to see just how popular she is.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
8. Boy, ain't that the truth...the "Ready For Anybody But Hillary" movement
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:13 AM
Apr 2016

was alive and thriving (especially here at DU) over two years ago.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
32. Yes it was.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:10 AM
Apr 2016

Led and cheered on by people who trashed President Obama every step of the way. And who seem completely unconcerned with local, state or congressional elections.

I think we all place too much emphasis on presidential elections. Including me. I think at minimum we need a progressive and / or democratic president. But we also need way more than that. We need a majority in Congress and in state legislatures and city councils like Hillary, like Bernie, like Obama, like Warren. Like what FDR had when he was able to get the New Deal passed.

We're getting our asses kicked in Congressional elections and state legislatures and races for governor. I wish for an improved democratic party and / or leftist movement that figures out how to win smaller elections and then expand upward and outward. And for an enthusiastic base that always votes for the most progressive available candidate in every election.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
4. If you think picking off super delegates from someone who won the popular and PD vote then Podium
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:25 AM
Apr 2016

... Bird has made too much of an impact on your life.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
12. Democrats should vote for the nominee. And then push for a party which reflects our values.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:58 AM
Apr 2016

WRT your 4/20 joke, that's a fine example of what I am talking about:

Our party has politicians like Earl Blumenauer and Jefff Merkley, who think consenting adults should be free to use cannabis responsibly if they so choose.

...and we also have politicians like Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who supports and votes for the incarceration of recreational AND medical cannabis users.

It is up to us to decide what we as a party want to stand for.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
28. The party has already been suborned by the Third Way.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:54 AM
Apr 2016

Check out the membership of the Third Way advised New Democrat Coalition. The Democratic Party is now the Third Way party. War, fracking, TPP, etc. And Debbie DINO blocks any liberal or Progressive from getting very far. That is her job, it seems.

As Michael Stipe so elegantly sings, I am losing my religion. In fact, I may have lost it now.

GoldenThunder

(300 posts)
19. I'm going to fight...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:56 AM
Apr 2016

...and I'm going to win. This ain't no ball game. I will not stand and watch my democracy die.

So I will fight. And I will win.

And there are many, many millions of my fellow Bernie supporters who feel the exact same way as I do.

You want to win, then you must outfight us.

FSogol

(45,488 posts)
20. & if Sanders (who is home today off the campaign trail) calls if quits and supports HRC, what then?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:28 AM
Apr 2016


PS: on the playground when someone wanted to take their ball and go home, we let them, and then we all played some else. We still had fun and did what we wanted. The kids with the ball at home scowling? He didn't have much fun, I suspect.

GoldenThunder

(300 posts)
21. Than I and millions of other Sanders supporters will carry on the fight in his stead.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:57 AM
Apr 2016

You see, this isn't about the fate of and old man's political career. This is about the very survival of American democracy itself.
Even if by chance Hillary keeps the Fascists at bay in November it still doesn't change the fact that the "Too Big to Fail" banks in her corner are perilously close to total collapse. And when that happens, American society will be so shattered that it will literally a walk in the park for the Fascists to simply strut right in and take power by force. You see, my democracy is dying. And I'm not going to let that happen on my watch. Not now. Not ever. If it's not Bernie, so be it. It will NEVER be Hillary. See you in Philly.

FSogol

(45,488 posts)
22. I see you have the hyperbole turned up to 11.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:01 AM
Apr 2016

Sanders wasn't the only candidate talking about breaking up the banks and one of the other candidates actually had a plan to do it. Some Sanders couldn't articulate. With Sanders, it is just an idea. Get off your high horse and support the Democrats. Anything less is giving comfort and assistance to the Trumps and Cruzs of the world.

GoldenThunder

(300 posts)
23. Oh, yes. the good ol' "Giving Aid and Comfort to the Emeny" attack
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:13 AM
Apr 2016

You know, There are about 200M or so Americans busting their asses off at their second or third jobs just to keep a roof over their heads and food in their children's bellies that haven't been given any aid or comfort in about two entire fucking generations. Bernie Sanders is the only chance they have left of aid and comfort. The last peaceful chance that is. See you in Philly.

FSogol

(45,488 posts)
24. You are wrong. The Democratic party is the chance they have, not Sanders alone.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:42 AM
Apr 2016

The level of puffed-up self-importance is ridiculous.

 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
16. I'm a 65 yr old life long democrat and I find her uninspiring. I think we are
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:31 AM
Apr 2016

in trouble come November.

 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
17. I find the fact that she's a woman inspiring ...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:46 AM
Apr 2016

... but if the left can call her smirking, cackling, dishonest, lying, incompetent, two faced, and so on and get away with it, just imagine what the right will be able to get away with. It will be very tough for her to overcome the ingrained sexism of our society.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
29. Hillary will unite the Party and lead us to victory in the fall.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:55 AM
Apr 2016

Both sides of the political spectrum have their self righteous narcissists who think that the world revolves around them. It doesn't and we will move forward.

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
30. while I will definitely vote for the D (whoever it is)
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:29 AM
Apr 2016

A lot of the "never for for her" is serious as a heart attack. Lots of millennials - usually male, and they are not kidding.

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