2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIf you think that Hillary will unite the party...
...you're probably celebrating April 20th a little too much.
Jack Bone
(2,023 posts)Buzz cook
(2,472 posts)becomes the nominee. Individual members of the party will have to make up their own minds.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)Buzz cook
(2,472 posts)nt
msongs
(67,420 posts)GoldenThunder
(300 posts)Otherwise, enjoy that giant sucking sound of millions of abandoned working Americans leaving this Bankster-owned party all at once.
PBass
(1,537 posts)I can't get over some people's utter refusal to believe that Hillary Clinton is POPULAR with voters. Even in the face of overwhelming evidence (Hillary leading by 2 million popular votes) some people still refuse to let go of their biases.
Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Nanjeanne
(4,961 posts)Nominee, you will have a chance to show just how popular she is in the GE. I know many people, either long term Dems disenchanted with the Party who simply are tired of the same crappy corporatist politics lobbying for and writing bills that will be sitting out or only going to polls if there is a true progressive running down ticket. Independents will be tough for Hillary and young people will not put her over the top like they did Obama.
So come November we will get a chance to see just how popular she is.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)was alive and thriving (especially here at DU) over two years ago.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Led and cheered on by people who trashed President Obama every step of the way. And who seem completely unconcerned with local, state or congressional elections.
I think we all place too much emphasis on presidential elections. Including me. I think at minimum we need a progressive and / or democratic president. But we also need way more than that. We need a majority in Congress and in state legislatures and city councils like Hillary, like Bernie, like Obama, like Warren. Like what FDR had when he was able to get the New Deal passed.
We're getting our asses kicked in Congressional elections and state legislatures and races for governor. I wish for an improved democratic party and / or leftist movement that figures out how to win smaller elections and then expand upward and outward. And for an enthusiastic base that always votes for the most progressive available candidate in every election.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... Bird has made too much of an impact on your life.
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)pampango
(24,692 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)WRT your 4/20 joke, that's a fine example of what I am talking about:
Our party has politicians like Earl Blumenauer and Jefff Merkley, who think consenting adults should be free to use cannabis responsibly if they so choose.
...and we also have politicians like Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who supports and votes for the incarceration of recreational AND medical cannabis users.
It is up to us to decide what we as a party want to stand for.
djean111
(14,255 posts)Check out the membership of the Third Way advised New Democrat Coalition. The Democratic Party is now the Third Way party. War, fracking, TPP, etc. And Debbie DINO blocks any liberal or Progressive from getting very far. That is her job, it seems.
As Michael Stipe so elegantly sings, I am losing my religion. In fact, I may have lost it now.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)FSogol
(45,488 posts)GoldenThunder
(300 posts)...and I'm going to win. This ain't no ball game. I will not stand and watch my democracy die.
So I will fight. And I will win.
And there are many, many millions of my fellow Bernie supporters who feel the exact same way as I do.
You want to win, then you must outfight us.
FSogol
(45,488 posts)PS: on the playground when someone wanted to take their ball and go home, we let them, and then we all played some else. We still had fun and did what we wanted. The kids with the ball at home scowling? He didn't have much fun, I suspect.
GoldenThunder
(300 posts)You see, this isn't about the fate of and old man's political career. This is about the very survival of American democracy itself.
Even if by chance Hillary keeps the Fascists at bay in November it still doesn't change the fact that the "Too Big to Fail" banks in her corner are perilously close to total collapse. And when that happens, American society will be so shattered that it will literally a walk in the park for the Fascists to simply strut right in and take power by force. You see, my democracy is dying. And I'm not going to let that happen on my watch. Not now. Not ever. If it's not Bernie, so be it. It will NEVER be Hillary. See you in Philly.
FSogol
(45,488 posts)Sanders wasn't the only candidate talking about breaking up the banks and one of the other candidates actually had a plan to do it. Some Sanders couldn't articulate. With Sanders, it is just an idea. Get off your high horse and support the Democrats. Anything less is giving comfort and assistance to the Trumps and Cruzs of the world.
GoldenThunder
(300 posts)You know, There are about 200M or so Americans busting their asses off at their second or third jobs just to keep a roof over their heads and food in their children's bellies that haven't been given any aid or comfort in about two entire fucking generations. Bernie Sanders is the only chance they have left of aid and comfort. The last peaceful chance that is. See you in Philly.
FSogol
(45,488 posts)The level of puffed-up self-importance is ridiculous.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)in trouble come November.
Onlooker
(5,636 posts)... but if the left can call her smirking, cackling, dishonest, lying, incompetent, two faced, and so on and get away with it, just imagine what the right will be able to get away with. It will be very tough for her to overcome the ingrained sexism of our society.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)onecaliberal
(32,864 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Both sides of the political spectrum have their self righteous narcissists who think that the world revolves around them. It doesn't and we will move forward.
Locrian
(4,522 posts)A lot of the "never for for her" is serious as a heart attack. Lots of millennials - usually male, and they are not kidding.