Clinton's fine, but our Sanders is so much better, he is the one to beat the GOP.

Any objective look at the realities of the two candidates and what they each are up against in the general election bears this out:

Sanders attracts Independents, the largest demographic, and he attracts some Republicans. This matters in the general.

Closed primaries didn't allow Bernie to demonstrate his strength among all voter.

The support Clinton got in the South is meaningless in the general, red states go red in November.

Bernie has no baggage, very few negatives, and polls show him consistently kicking ass over the GOP.

We are royally fucking ourselves if we nominate the weaker candidate.

You can look at her web site and Democratic Platform to see what you are casting your vote for.

Policies that will effect the country decades, even centuries to come....

"So damn weak"

DNC is just as guilty of voter suppression as the GOP. Hillary doesn't need our votes and she will NEVER win us over. If Trump becomes President it will be the neo-liberals and their supporters fault...NOT OURS!

Stop buying into RW conspiracy fantasies. It demeans the real people who suffer under real voter suppression.

Just like the people who say "White lives matter, too!" when confronted by Black Lives Matter.

I can get the video of those words flying out of her mouth if you want.

People who say "My vote is being suppressed", just because their candidate loses are the same as people who say "All lives matter" in response to Black Lives Matter.

Whatever they want with little answer or accountability no matter what the consequences. One maintains a broken system and worsens it's flaws considerably, the other will take the broken system and burn it so hot it collapses on itself. Either way the 99% suffer.

So's hill, anything to protect their status, right?

I support the progressive Democrat, Hillary Clinton.

I don't support Trump, I just don't see Hillary winning against him, therefore guaranteeing our national decline. You can say that's supporting trump all you like, it's like saying i support the iceberg because I know the Titanic will hit it.

We'll never know how many women and children will have suffered because of actions prompted by Clinton, even Obama knows this.

Sending someone to the website. I've been there and still don't know. What drives you to Hill.

Weak answer, wasn't it?

For anyone who has been watching politics for the last 16+ years, it's crazy to think that Bernie would succeed in getting anything done if elected president. Especially since his campaign is totally focused on electing him president, rather than replacing the Republicans in Congress with Democrats.

Sad, because in too many cases it's all of them against you and me.

I've been watching a hell of a lot longer than 16 years and I realized we were in trouble when NAFTA was getting equal support from both parties.

Where were you in 92?

from doing bad things.

Nothing about us doing good things, no vision, no progress. Nothing but defensive, rear guard action.

That's what our party has been reduced to for nearly forty years.

"It's on the website" isn't a goddamn answer.

And when she starts talking about compromising on abortion--something I thought even Hillary Clinton wouldn't waver on--I have second thoughts that she'd even protect the Supreme Court.

Looks like we'll be waiting for answers.

That will be my sole excuse and apology if I have to vote for her in November.

...on women's choice.

Then that argument goes out the window too.

You could say "Obamacare", but then you might notice that the insurance exchanges are failing all over the place, and the only viable option is universal coverage, which Clinton doesn't support.

The arguments like this go on and on, and ultimately, you're left with no real reason to vote FOR her at all.

It's all who you would be voting against, and I've done enough of that.

She needs to convince me to vote FOR her. I've had friends give me the same scare tactics that I see here if I don't vote for her, but I feel that if I do vote for her, I'm giving up my principles.

The supreme court argument has always been about exploiting fear of 'other', while ignoring fear of our own leaders.

BY FAR

Then you're either crazy or disingenuous.

and military interventions that support The American Way

Besides, a vote for Clinton edifies the Clinton foundation complex. Those Clinton foundations obviously need a lot more money so that they can close the wage gaps for their female employees.

It's down to that. I look at Hillary and I see a Republican. I imagine that's why she'll get lots of GOP votes in the general election. But, I don't see her as crazy and I think Trump is totally off his rocker. So I'll be voting against the end of the world. (Never thought I'd base a vote on that. LOL.)

He'd be no more or less destructive than any other Republi-con which is still very destructive.

I am not swayed by the scary, 'TERRA rhetoric.

and realize that Trump hasn't actually waged any stupid wars while Hillary has four to her credit already and seems hell bent on starting World War III by pissing off Russia in every way she can.

Not sure how many people realize how close her husband brought us to WW3 in Bosnia - the commanding officer on the ground had to refuse to obey orders to make sure it didn't happen. Look up the details on the struggle for control over Pristina airport.

Qaddafi's death was the personal highlight of the 2011 and she's openly threatened to attack Iran

she offers a realistic vision for advancing progressive ideas in a divided government environment.

But if that doesn't convince you, just look at the alternative.

I personally feel I can vote FOR her, but given the primary environment, I think a lot of Sanders supporters don;t feel that way right now, and maybe never will. But the GE is a ultimately a choice, with actual consequences.

As Rush sings, "if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice."

Thanks!

If you don't think her ideas are progressive, it's unlikely I am going to change your mind. But I think increasing the minimum wage, promoting affordable college, and her proposed financial regulation (just to name a few) ARE progressive. If you don't, fine. Move to plan B and consider the alternative.

Obstructionist repukes aren't just going to step aside for Hillary because she is "realistic".

And she's certainly better at it than Sanders.

That seems to be the most common argument: "the republicans are even worse"

DSB

that the establishment permits no change.

In the general, you should vote for Hillary if she is the Democratic nominee.

The reason being that she agrees with Bernie on about 90 percent of the issues, and that the Republican she will be running against will hold views that are antithetical to what progressives believe in on a plethora of critical issues.

Hillary will also nominate Supreme Court justices that will have values much more closely aligned with your own than the justices that a candidate Trump or Cruz would nominate.

This will impact the United States for decades to come.

...going to make that argument, at least their being honest for once and admitting that Hillary is no good. She's just not as bad. Which makes you wonder why they supported her in the first place.

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And help move him/her further to the left. That's not a 'loyalty test' as some want to put it, it's cooperation and teamwork. It's how we weaken the GOP even further.
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All I see is moving to the right at every opportunity and no help with accountability or pressure from the rest of "the team".

It seems to me the primary is as far left as these folks can be pushed which is largely dropped with wrapping up the nomination, further right if they win, and even further right once there is no next election while setting up someone further right to pick up the bataan for the next cycle.

A lot of us have been going along to get along with "the team" for decades and it seems to only get worse as far as concentration of wealth and power goes.

sending children home to die and Third Way attacks on health care and Social Security - Hillary would be your candidate.

Not MY candidate, ever. I only vote for Democrats with Democratic values, and she does not make the cut, she does not make the grade. Feels good, actually!

she apologized to us because our area of NYS hadn't reaped the benefit of the "Clinton Economic Expansion". If I vote for her again surely we can expect more of the same.

There are not only current potential indictments that we know about but there may be some we don't know about. There may be a transaction by transaction investigations of her's and Bill's speeches, their "foundation" and ties to decisions made while she was Secretary of State such as the Swiss bank UBS situation.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/07/hillary-helps-a-bankand-then-it-pays-bill-15-million-in-speaking-fees/400067/

The bottom line is there are too many risks for her getting elected let alone being allowed to govern due in large part to her's and Bill's actions. The Republicans will start impeachment proceedings from day one. Why do you think Trump is calling her "crooked Hillary"? They are going to make all kinds of charges for perceived illegal activities and see which ones stick if any. You think her negatives are high now..... Is it true Bill and Hillary registered corporations in Delaware? If they did, the only reason one does that unless they live in Delaware is to evade and/or avoid something.

Voting for Hillary is tantamount to voting for a risk to catch a bullet in my head from some Middle Easterner in an unethical invasion and completely unnecessary regime change. I won't add myself to her body count. I have to wonder who she had to promise to carpet bomb when she accepted the King of Saudi Arabia's money.

since bill clinton and clinton supporters have called bernie supporters every name in the book.

Certainly the clinton supporters can win without independents and Bernie Democrats

Continued shoddy health care coverage with outrageous premiums and high deductibles, and continued support for big banks which screw ordinary Americans. I could go on ...

higher taxes on the wealthy, woman's right to choose, etc.

Do you think you are going to get those things with Trump or Cruz?

and make up your own mind.

Sid

If we keep up with Fracking, maybe you'll be one of the lucky homes that gets combustible water. That way you can defrost your turkey in the sink and fire roast it all at the same time.

we are faced with a choice between her and the madness on the other side.
The difference is fairly clear to me and I question anyone who thinks any of the Republican choices would not be a disaster for our planet.
I'll cast my vote in favor of humanities survival and work hard to convince others to do the same.

Clinton or Trump?

candidate.

And repeal tha ACA. If you thinks it is not enough it would still be going backwards.

Imagine what else they could repeal.

And how anti immigrant they would be.

You are a conservative democrat that feels a woman can make a choice about her body up to the last month of pregnancy then she is capable of going cray cray and want's an abortion on demand.

She is the only way to stop people from demanding extreme environmental protections like ending fracking.

You believe only the corpocrats can create jobs and a 15 dollar an hour minimum wage will impact what you can buy with your disposable income even though you are more than comfortable.

You can't stand the idea of rich kids being able to go to the same colleges as poor kids for free.

You think drug users should face jail and economic hardship for life.

Any attack on Hillary is an attack on all women. Bringing up inconvenient facts is an attack on Hillary. The word shill is sexist for example.

Deep down you feel that people game the welfare system.

You prefer punitive measures to rehabilitation

It's easier to believe a lie from a perceived ally than the truth from a perceived enemy

Because she's so tough on crime, baby, and the death penalty is really boss!

Whom does this describe?
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