Obama did not have an unrealistic agenda, was able to achieve ACA.

That has been absent from Sanders' campaign.


* using it to raise money, create a buzz, gain supporters, hold rallies

** creating local orgs, registering voters, door to door, neighborhood to neighborhood

He worked those the same as he has in his administration, he is cool, calm and collected. This brought many into his corner. You can get lots more with sugar than salt.

just as Sanders' end-game has been.

Furthermore, Clinton was MUCH closer to Obama than Sanders is/has been.

Finally, Clinton and Obama were both DEMOCRATS. Sanders is unaffiliated and has trashed the Democratic party his entire life and has continued to do so during his noxious campaign for POTUS. Super Delegates aren't switching.

once that is over, BS will be back in Vermont

so much to destroy him with that hasn't even been whispered about by Media.

Thinking Independents and millennials are going to bother turning out for a candidate who is for war and fracking and the TPP and tightening the grip of private insurance on health care. Shoot - I am a Boomer, and I won't go for that either. Not Democratic values. And those things I listed HURT the millennials. They know Hillary will slide greasily even more to the right, on a trail of money and Third Way power.

Sorry. It just doesn't.

Not whining. Sorry if you consider anything that is not pro-Hillary whining! Well, no I am not sorry, I am snickering.

That is Hillary.

You stand so tall and proud on your convictions, start supporting the one who most closely holds those same values. Hillary!

Or you do something else..... It is your vote.

Sky high negative polls. Only Trump has more negative ratings.

Loses to Kasich, Dead even with Cruz. You better pray to Jesus that she gets Trump as an opponent.

Okay.

In New York.

Dem voters in the 8 previous states (and hopefully many future ones) rejected *your* candidate
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Brooklyn alone! Between October, 2015 and April, 2016.

And no one has a credible reason for this. I guesx you mean "the will of the voters" who were not disenfrachised.

If anything, this hurt her.

Why don't you actually give us some reasons why we should bother to turn out for her or invest any effort in her campaign instead of "gloating, cuz it's fun"?

There's some good stuff in there if you actually look instead of assuming she's some kind of fascist.

I have said many times that I don't hate her, and I agree she has some good progressive proposals on her website. I'm just not convinced she will fight for a progressive agenda.

If Bernie can turn this around, well good on him, but if he can't what do you think should happen? Throw out the will of the voters because some people are angry the vote didn't go their way. I keep seeing you all say this, but I'm not sure what you want.

If the will of the voters is to elect a Third Way hawk, then of course that will happen. But not with my participation, or with the participation of any of the millennials I know. They don't play the kabuki theater thing.

Truly I am I know my millennial, who voted for Bernie, will vote for Hillary. Then again, I did have to remind him to go vote, so I'm thinking he doesn't have a lot of skin in the game.

and this boomer is still for Bernie. I don't sabotage my own hope and principles by giving up prematurely.

A candidate who is for war and fracking and the TPP and against single payer - these things all affect them adversely. They will vote down-ticket, if they vote at all. Hillary, to them, is SOS, all right - same old shit. Seriously. No other way to put it.

Living in Florida, watching Debbie DINO and Bill Nelson (D-DINO), my disgust has been building for quite a while.

Which is why defeating the Republicans--Trump--is so important. Hillary Clinton has proven herself the strongest candidate to win the WH, despite caterwauling to the contrary. If Dems take the WH, Senate and gain in the House, we all win. Even Bernie supporters.

Good-bye.

from the corporations that have captured it, that's what we want.

And I, for one, want to vote for my candidate in a meaningful June primary.

After that, should Hillary prevail, which I concede is likely, us Bernie supporters will each have to decide how to proceed to get what we want.

Some want to continue as a wing of the Democratic Party. To be honest, the party is pretty hostile to what we believe in, so many of us are having a long hard look at what is the best path forward. Planting seeds in infertile ground is not usually good strategy. We'll see.

No one who claims to have any principles would do that.

Would you Clinton supporters do that, if the tables were turned?

Your post borders on ridiculous, as well as delusional.

And make no mistake, you will need all the Sanders supporters you can muster if she does get the nomination.

...we're in this until every state has voted:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511507143

The Ignore button is getting a workout.

I haven't laughed so much in a long time!

Yeah, I want to ignore that.

I knew before any candidate announced that I wouldn't be likely to get an acceptable Democratic candidate on the ballot for POTUS in November '16. I knew I would fight like hell, with everything I've got, to try to get one there. I knew I wouldn't give up until the convention.

And I knew that I'd be walking after the convention; that this was the last time I'd ever play the party game.

What's "delusional" is trying to pretend that the division in the party created by neo-liberals hasn't grown too wide to bridge, and that what you are hearing from that far distance on the other side is evidence for that. Apparently, that divide is so wide you can't understand what you're hearing.

Issues don't matter. And I am with you, 1000%.

You don't really know what those who aren't posting are thinking.

She didn't get off until the pony was dead! You have a long wait.

The election was much closer in 08 than this time. She won the popular vote you know...Obama won the delegates...Bernie is not winning the popular vote nor the delegates...he has lost ...time to suspend.

This time she has baited the super delegates in advance so the numbers are inflated. I am sorry for your discomfort. The race will play out.

considering the caucuses so it is a weak argument for a front runner to make. Very weak, best left unmade.

What about every Ron Paul run? What about Jim Jones and getting his cult to drink poison? If this ranks anywhere near the top of your most delusional things you've seen list, you really aren't paying much attention.

Hillary won 139 delegates, Obama won 93 delegates. Bernie did a bit better in NY against Hillary than candidate Obama did.

You're in much worse shape than Obama was. Much much worse.

Also, in 2008 Hillary had already won CA at this point. And Bernie did better in NY than Obama did. Which is what I said. And it's the fact. It obviously chaffs you. Hence the personalized nature of your rhetoric. Tired of all of that out of your cohort. Very tired.

Not one objective analyst thinks Sanders is in good shape.

fact I stated. Bernie did slightly better in NY against Hillary than Obama did in 2008. And that's all I said, for which you told me all about me. I'm talking about candidates, you want to talk about me and that's not really how it should work.
So to repeat my statement:

In 2008 Hillary also won NY, 57.4% to 40.3% for the eventual President Barack Obama

Hillary won 139 delegates, Obama won 93 delegates. Bernie did a bit better in NY against Hillary than candidate Obama did.


It's all facts. And all I said was fact. So talk to me about what I said.

After a week in country, you'll have a broader appreciation of what delusion is.

Your hyperbole is working well, so you'll fit right in.

if she manages somehow to pull off a win in the GE.

She is so gonna fuck us all.

Is still, with all the information available to anyone that they still think she is a worthy candidate and worse yet that she has a chance of winning the GE...not gonna happen..

Then why do you all push the " Sanders should quit" meme?

He's not quitting. So you deal with it.

You must have a very short memory.

I remember when we went to war with Iraq based on very obvious lies that only fools believed.

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Is what I wish I could say. But Hillary supporters prove me wrong on a weekly/daily hourly basis.

Okay.

Now that's delusional!

Now that was delusional. The Sanders Phenomenon is sort of the same thing -Sanders had no specifics, did not work well with others and failed to specify anything wrong with his opponent. All he had were soundbites. They were good soundbites, important information, but it wasn't enough.
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When Hillary stayed in long past the point where she had any realistic shot of winning the nomination.

Any Bernie supporter who doesn't support Hillary in November may be electing Trump.

"Don't let the perfect become the enemy of the good."

Checked a mirror yet?

Clinton and her supporters believe that alienating 40% of their own party is a good idea. With it, they believe they have no need to appeal to independent voters, and have in fact spent the entire season expounding on how worthless they are. They then demand and threaten these voters, if they express reluctance to sign on to the Clinton train. At the same time they are trying to defy history by squeezing a third consecutive presidential term out of a single party, by fielding a candidate who has no achievements, many failures, and energizes the opposing party more than her own. An entire year has been spent wallowing in bigotry and right-wing teabagger promises - Bernie's a disloyal Jew, his supporters are white supremacists, health care is communism - but somehow clinton supporters beleive that they will have a landslide victory in the GE.

That's the delusion.

Good luck!