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Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:56 AM Apr 2016

Senior Clinton Aide Tells Reporter: Fuck Bernie

In Politico’s morning recap of yesterday’s New York primary, in which Hillary Clinton trounced Bernie Sanders, reporter Glenn Thrush recounts a conversation he had with a “senior Clinton aide” last night (bolding ours):

“We kicked his ass tonight,” a senior Clinton aide told me Tuesday night. “I hope this convinces Bernie to tone it down. If not, fuck him.”

(Note: Politico, apparently sensitive to the political class’s sense of propriety, rendered “fuck” as “f‒‒‒” in the original report.)

The outburst—a fairly rare one, at least for staffers of both candidates during this year’s Democratic primary—was apparently inspired by Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver’s appearance on MSNBC last night, during which he insisted that Sanders would win the Democratic nomination, one way or the other:

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Senior Clinton Aide Tells Reporter: Fuck Bernie (Original Post) Capt. Obvious Apr 2016 OP
Convince Bernie to tone it down? Eff HER! He calls out her past actions and positions, she LIES peacebird Apr 2016 #1
I hope he does too. Waiting For Everyman Apr 2016 #128
Double down, Bernie chums. grasswire Apr 2016 #129
Form the sake of my grandkids I will, grasswire! peacebird Apr 2016 #132
Fuck that asshole! Rigged by the billionaires for Clinton. Bernie won most counties in NY bkkyosemite Apr 2016 #2
It's very difficult to rig an election to the tune of 16 points. kstewart33 Apr 2016 #6
Yes the election has been rigged jcgoldie Apr 2016 #7
Spin much? jehop61 Apr 2016 #8
Color me skeptical that you are sorry Capt. Obvious Apr 2016 #14
He won acreage, she won votes. Codeine Apr 2016 #10
Self hating, dood? whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #13
I'm clearly out of step with my demo. Codeine Apr 2016 #53
No... whatchamacallit Apr 2016 #57
Some acreage for you Armstead Apr 2016 #49
Winning most counties, and $1.50, will get you a cup of coffee... SidDithers Apr 2016 #16
you wish - nt KingCharlemagne Apr 2016 #99
Bernie's coalition was unwilling to vote for him... SidDithers Apr 2016 #100
your snide comment just cost Hillary at least one vote in the GE. Keep KingCharlemagne Apr 2016 #101
Lol! cwydro Apr 2016 #124
no,really it's not,sorry.it's only getting interesting now. nt wendylaroux Apr 2016 #106
I hope that enema comes soon to clear your sh*t out. k8conant Apr 2016 #116
Counties equal Land Mass-which does NOTequal Population-voters. Now you know riversedge Apr 2016 #86
I suspected she would win NY because of the rich bankers passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #127
Stay classy! peace13 Apr 2016 #3
And fuck the senior aide too. nt VulgarPoet Apr 2016 #4
Hmm. Guess he never heard of leading by example. n/t winter is coming Apr 2016 #5
He's right. BS has lost. He needs to tone it down. If he doesn't..... msanthrope Apr 2016 #9
OH COME ON!!! liberalnarb Apr 2016 #19
If Clinton was losing as he was, I wouldn't. Party needs unity....and if Bernie is a Democrat msanthrope Apr 2016 #21
I don't buy that for a second. liberalnarb Apr 2016 #44
Sorry.....but I happen to agree with the aide.....party unity is too important. msanthrope Apr 2016 #56
If the shoe had been on the other foot it would have somehow been sexist. liberalnarb Apr 2016 #59
Fuck isn't sexist. Whore is. nt msanthrope Apr 2016 #66
Throwing money at a car isn't sexist. liberalnarb Apr 2016 #69
Dollar bills the same week you've used the word whore? Nice optics. Clinton msanthrope Apr 2016 #74
Funny only Hillary supporters saw some secret "meaning" behind dollar bills. liberalnarb Apr 2016 #76
That would mean the Democratic base. The people who voted for her, giving her msanthrope Apr 2016 #79
how about fucking war pig? - nt KingCharlemagne Apr 2016 #107
Who are you calling a fucking war pig? nt msanthrope Apr 2016 #109
LOL - you are so precious. There's only one candidate with KingCharlemagne Apr 2016 #115
Poor thing. Calling a female candidate names? Does that make you msanthrope Apr 2016 #118
'fucking war pig' neither denotes nor connotes anything having to KingCharlemagne Apr 2016 #120
Again, calling a female candidate a "fucking war pig" is certainly a complement msanthrope Apr 2016 #123
Please learn the difference between complement and compliment KingCharlemagne Apr 2016 #139
perhaps you missed the thread where I spoke about my diminished sight msanthrope Apr 2016 #143
Hillary supporters are much like Hillary. OwlinAZ Apr 2016 #130
And what better way to unite the party, right? frylock Apr 2016 #95
Ahem..... yes. Apparently, the majority of the party is with me. nt msanthrope Apr 2016 #96
Helping dems means calling out hill! Logical Apr 2016 #110
Um, no. That is completely incorrect. nt msanthrope Apr 2016 #112
After they blatantly indicated they want to steal the election. vdogg Apr 2016 #11
In common every day parlance HillareeeHillaraah Apr 2016 #12
Outrage over this ... but Susan Sarandon gets cheers when she says it. NurseJackie Apr 2016 #15
Senior Sanders Aide, Susan Sarandon? frylock Apr 2016 #97
Well that despicable apple didn't fall far from the tree. aikoaiko Apr 2016 #17
Great! Just another nail in my proverbial Hillary coffin. n/t Avalux Apr 2016 #18
I agree with that statement bigtree Apr 2016 #20
the effect of their campaign rhetoric has in enabling the republicans: Bluenorthwest Apr 2016 #24
Which senior Clinton campaign aide? MineralMan Apr 2016 #22
My guess...Claire McCaskill. nt NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #26
Guessing games? No thanks. MineralMan Apr 2016 #27
It could certainly be any of her #Inners, but I think Claire is a pretty good bet. nt NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #61
I don't pay any attention to unattributed quotes in MineralMan Apr 2016 #64
Is that like the "tone down" she had in 2008? glowing Apr 2016 #23
Well, imagine if this was a Sanders surrogate... Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #25
No... Sanders campaign simply saying they do not have the good graces to end this but gonna cause seabeyond Apr 2016 #35
Why should he? Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #38
No he is not. Clinton is top 15% most liberal in congress. Sanders is merely trashing and causing seabeyond Apr 2016 #41
Really. Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #51
Yes, really. And Sanders and Clinton are 93% same vote. Meh... seabeyond Apr 2016 #54
Okay how about this then: Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #58
Ya.. I see one is super predator. If you still use it as a weapon,. that tells us how limited seabeyond Apr 2016 #62
Those are her own words that she said in speeches! Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #65
Sanders did not support marriage equality until 2009, he just lies about it. Clinton doesn't. seabeyond Apr 2016 #67
Ok, but. Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #73
ok but... my ass. Reality, very few were supporting marriage equality until the nation seabeyond Apr 2016 #80
She was talking gang bangers preying on children. You purpose ignore the reasoning and that.... seabeyond Apr 2016 #68
Granted. Else You Are Mad Apr 2016 #71
No, you have presented two, wasting my time, that has perfectly legitimate reasoning you use as seabeyond Apr 2016 #78
Oh, well Sanders supporters don't want him to end this and it's our money. merrily Apr 2016 #39
Post removed Post removed Apr 2016 #42
Ooooo. You know, your repeating that from your last post made all the difference. merrily Apr 2016 #43
I guess I can equally say, ... back atcha. seabeyond Apr 2016 #46
I didn't repeat one of my prior posts, so "backatcha" doesn't make a lot of sense. merrily Apr 2016 #52
Personally my panties wouldn't be in a bunch either way nini Apr 2016 #94
Just what I expect from her campaign. djean111 Apr 2016 #28
Another reminder of the Clinton campaign mentality. Impedimentus Apr 2016 #29
I am saying the same though not appropriate for senior Clinton aide, whoever that may be. seabeyond Apr 2016 #30
Awww. So sorry you're upset, but Hillary taught us, to go until June and I hope merrily Apr 2016 #36
"Fuck Bernie." and Bernie is the one who needs to "tone it down?" Lord I love unintentional irony. merrily Apr 2016 #31
Then you'll love this. Just now, on CNN, some pundits were sagely agreeing winter is coming Apr 2016 #82
That is not as simple to answer as it seems. merrily Apr 2016 #85
I wish Bernie would endorse Gloria de la Riva (of the Party for Socialism and KingCharlemagne Apr 2016 #119
I don't think it was cheating, but the NY rules with the early registration deadline didn't favor speaktruthtopower Apr 2016 #32
Why do you think a NY official promised an audit before the election was even over? merrily Apr 2016 #37
There may have been some issues there... speaktruthtopower Apr 2016 #45
Ya think? I cannot recall that ever happening during a Democratic primary. merrily Apr 2016 #47
Yeah ... "Fuck the liberals", KPN Apr 2016 #33
i was thinking the same thing. stonecutter357 Apr 2016 #34
Sanders and Weaver are publicly working to subvert the will of the people. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #40
lol!!!!!!! you poor babies. wendylaroux Apr 2016 #103
Not sure what you are referencing. I love the new direction of the Sanders campaign. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #105
Weaver is the man,you bunch of delicates need to toughen up. wendylaroux Apr 2016 #108
"The man" "bunch of delicates" lol. That cleared it up. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #114
Fuck ya back, you poodle demwing Apr 2016 #48
I concur with the aide who said that. CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #50
What if that were a Bernie aide? Duppers Apr 2016 #125
How about Fuck Her? ViseGrip Apr 2016 #55
My sentiments exactly RandySF Apr 2016 #60
If anything, the Clinton aide is far too kind. Bernie lost, time to go back to the Senate. tritsofme Apr 2016 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author CobaltBlue Apr 2016 #70
He won't mind Sanders running third party in GE then. HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #72
Hey Faux pas Apr 2016 #75
And here I thought Bernie's spokespeople were supposed to be the nasty ones. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2016 #77
Oh dear. I agree with the sentiment, but I'd not have used those words. auntpurl Apr 2016 #81
Right back at you Bernie fans. You all had no problems with this huh? workinclasszero Apr 2016 #83
Sarandon does not work for, nor represent, the Bernie campaign. senz Apr 2016 #141
Talk about Classy. geee whiiz. desmiller Apr 2016 #84
How ironic . . . . . shouting obscenities at Bernie to tone it down. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #87
well now, isn't that special. Hiraeth Apr 2016 #88
One thing good about days like today . . . . pdsimdars Apr 2016 #89
in her dreams. Hiraeth Apr 2016 #90
I hope that aide is still around come the GE. Buns_of_Fire Apr 2016 #91
Tone it down? Orsino Apr 2016 #92
Well if the reporter said that it must be true nini Apr 2016 #93
and heeeeere it comes! restorefreedom Apr 2016 #98
He needs to resign. Hillary said she wants to unite the dems, this coming from a senior Clinton aide jillan Apr 2016 #102
Hillary cannot unite the Dems OwlinAZ Apr 2016 #133
so are they trying to push away voters? what are they doing? wendylaroux Apr 2016 #104
Expressing frustration. They did not win this one by far and jwirr Apr 2016 #138
Not surprising at all. k8conant Apr 2016 #111
Well, that's inspiring, isn't it? Blue_In_AK Apr 2016 #113
Which one? Any name? NurseJackie Apr 2016 #117
Hiding behind "senior Clinton aide" eh? Come out, come out mouthy person! Peregrine Took Apr 2016 #121
Just what is needed to counter the threat of a fascist winning the White House: some good old KingCharlemagne Apr 2016 #122
+1 jwirr Apr 2016 #137
That's the same attitude they have about the public. Waiting For Everyman Apr 2016 #126
Likewise and the horse they road in on. They clearly don't give one damn about our vote. CentralMass Apr 2016 #131
We are at the tipping point for the primary season. Emotions are running hot and heavy. apnu Apr 2016 #134
So what are they so upset about? sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #135
Getting your ass kicked is: 86.1% vs. 13.6% NOT 58% vs. 42%. nc4bo Apr 2016 #136
The "tone it down" comment? That's the latest Clinton SMEAR against Bernie. senz Apr 2016 #140
Dearest Senior Clinton Aide, replace the name Bernie with Hillary and see how well that goes over. Autumn Apr 2016 #142

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
1. Convince Bernie to tone it down? Eff HER! He calls out her past actions and positions, she LIES
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:58 AM
Apr 2016

About his.

Tone down nothing, I hope Bernie holds her feet to the fire all the way to the convention and beyond!

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
128. I hope he does too.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:22 PM
Apr 2016

If some people insist on voting for her, they should know what they're getting. There should be no one surprised about it after the election.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
129. Double down, Bernie chums.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:26 PM
Apr 2016

Double down. $54 if you can. Get to work. Drop everything, and go phone bank and get yard signs and support Internet activism and get out the word.

We will not let the next generation down. This election is theirs. For them. For the future of all the grandchildren of the Hillary supporters. Young people are telling us to Bern It Down.

And she can't win without them.

bkkyosemite

(5,792 posts)
2. Fuck that asshole! Rigged by the billionaires for Clinton. Bernie won most counties in NY
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:58 AM
Apr 2016

Obama did not.

In New York lots of voters disenfranchised. It was rigged plane and simple and I don't care who thinks I'm off it...it is rigged throughout this election season. It has been for many elections. This country needs to get corruption out of politics once and for all.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
6. It's very difficult to rig an election to the tune of 16 points.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:01 AM
Apr 2016

No one's talking rigged in the media in part because her victory was a landslide. And the exit polls which heavily favored Clinton. You can't rig tens of thousands of people to lie.

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
7. Yes the election has been rigged
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:02 AM
Apr 2016

So that the candidate with 2.7 million more votes could somehow win.

jehop61

(1,735 posts)
8. Spin much?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:02 AM
Apr 2016

Many counties in NY are rural with few people. Why would the number of counties have anything to do with voter population? Sorry you are sad today

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
10. He won acreage, she won votes.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:03 AM
Apr 2016

Every demographic except White Doods. Man that's gotta sting if all you've got is the classic Republican argument "Well we won the most area!"

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
49. Some acreage for you
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:56 AM
Apr 2016
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SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
16. Winning most counties, and $1.50, will get you a cup of coffee...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:21 AM
Apr 2016

Bernie fell 31 delegates further behind last night.

His campaign is done. It's a CINO - campaign in name only.

Sid

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
127. I suspected she would win NY because of the rich bankers
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:17 PM
Apr 2016

And the overall wealth of people living and working in NYC. I'm sure that affects a lot of bedroom communities too, where people commute from.

when it came to cities, New York City has the largest amount of high net worth individuals in the United States with a population of 8,655. It was followed distantly by San Francisco with 5,460 and Los Angeles with 5,135.


And we all know who they voted for. Which pretty much explains why so many of the rest of us are backing Bernie.
 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
21. If Clinton was losing as he was, I wouldn't. Party needs unity....and if Bernie is a Democrat
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:36 AM
Apr 2016

he will understand that.

 

liberalnarb

(4,532 posts)
44. I don't buy that for a second.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:54 AM
Apr 2016

If a Sanders staffer had said Hillary needs to "tone it down or f--k her" there would be outrage. With good reason to.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
56. Sorry.....but I happen to agree with the aide.....party unity is too important.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:01 AM
Apr 2016

I put negative feelings aside in 2008.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
74. Dollar bills the same week you've used the word whore? Nice optics. Clinton
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:35 AM
Apr 2016

supporters in NY got the message.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
115. LOL - you are so precious. There's only one candidate with
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:53 PM
Apr 2016

the blood of 1,000,000+ innocent Iraqis dripping from her hands. Hint: It ain't Bernie Sanders.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
120. 'fucking war pig' neither denotes nor connotes anything having to
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:58 PM
Apr 2016

do with gender. But thanks for that straw manred herring.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
139. Please learn the difference between complement and compliment
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:31 PM
Apr 2016

and then we can talk. otherwise, I can't make sense of your word salad.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
143. perhaps you missed the thread where I spoke about my diminished sight
Sat Apr 23, 2016, 07:33 PM
Apr 2016

And my Reliance on a voice to text app that decreases lthe accuracy of my language and makes hysterical spelling errors.....

You are gladly welcome to pick up spelling errors I have made where they have fallen.

vdogg

(1,384 posts)
11. After they blatantly indicated they want to steal the election.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:08 AM
Apr 2016

I wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment.

 

HillareeeHillaraah

(685 posts)
12. In common every day parlance
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:09 AM
Apr 2016

"Fuck Bernie" is an insult and inappropriate whereas "fuck 'em" is a crude version of whatever...


By his own reporting, the aid never said "Fuck Bernie".



Note to jury: I'm explaining my interpretation not slinging a curse at the Senator.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
20. I agree with that statement
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:36 AM
Apr 2016

...to the letter.

The Sanders campaign can't pretend to not know what the effect of their campaign rhetoric has in enabling the republican campaign. In fact, Sanders has benefited in this primary from millions of republican ad bucks spent in almost every state against Hillary, right alongside of the Sanders money and often with identical messaging.

It's his ass if he wants to continue the negative campaign - which, notably, began right after he got caught with his hand in the Clinton's data cookie jar - and he'll have no one but himself to blame if the Clinton camp hits back, and hard.

Personally, I'd just ignore him and focus on Trump and the rest of the republican opposition. He's still busy running against Hillary, and she's busy running for president.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
24. the effect of their campaign rhetoric has in enabling the republicans:
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:41 AM
Apr 2016


" It may be hard for your viewers to remember how difficult it was for people to talk about HIV/AIDS back in the 1980s and because of both president and Mrs. Reagan — in particular Mrs. Reagan — we started a national conversation, when before nobody would talk about it, nobody wanted to do anything about it, and that too is something I really appreciate with her very effective low-key advocacy. It penetrated the public conscience and people began to say, hey, we have to do something about this too." Hillary Clinton, inexplicably, March 2016.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
22. Which senior Clinton campaign aide?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:38 AM
Apr 2016

Gawker isn't usually shy about naming names. Maybe there was no such aide. Maybe it's all made up out of whole cloth.

If not, then provide a name, Gawker.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
27. Guessing games? No thanks.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:43 AM
Apr 2016

The source should have named names. No names, no truth. Made up crap, I say.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
64. I don't pay any attention to unattributed quotes in
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:16 AM
Apr 2016

stories like this. If no source is named, I simply disregard the whole thing. All to often, no source actually exists, except in the mind of the author, or the source is not worth naming.

I don't know which it is in this particular instance, but I don't care, either. No source; no truth. That's my rule for reading political punditry.

 

glowing

(12,233 posts)
23. Is that like the "tone down" she had in 2008?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:40 AM
Apr 2016

Shoot, I'm sad to say, I'm old enough to remember the 1992 elections. I was maybe 14? I remember the chi he getting heavily in bed with the Republicans and seeing my own church change in front of my eyes; so much so that I left at 16 due to the massive changes is such little time and the hypocrisy they engaged in. One of the main reasons that effort of the "moral Rroublicans" took off was during that time during primaries and GE, there were already scandals popping up... Paula Jones was a household name long before Lewinski. But in general, people did well in the 90's since the bubble/ burst cycle was at a high of bubble. But NAFTA drastically changed many peoples lives and the idea of trade/ tariffs/ personal national protections for the quality of life in America... Plus the grand idea of a 401k instead of a pension was a new "cool" idea to foster on the American people. Guess what the two times of great concern were back in Clinton years for middle class concerns (and mind you many of these middle class, my parents were doing so much better than today's so called "middle class&quot . The #2 concerns were health care costs and the cost of higher education. They are still at an unsutainable path of increasing prices, while people's wealth has actually declined on avg. Good paying jobs seems to always be on everyone's agenda every year.

Where are we today in 2016? Talking about the same, the same issues that were so key in handing the Clintons the White House the first time... Did they improve anything on those two issues? And every person who isn't lying to themselves, has to admit the WTO and NAFTA has obliterated Main St economy. Guess who supports the TPP? Guess who is willing to cut social security? Guess who wants to continue punishing our youth for accessing higher education that betters society? Guess who isn't going to touch anything about the ACA?

I truly think her main objectives in being placed by establishment into the White House is to ramp up the war in Syria, make social security funds accessible to Wall st, get the TPP in place, and not touch the other items.... And she will argue she has to because "Republicans".

Could you even imagine the discussion we'd be having if Elizabeth Warren had decided to run, and run like Bernie? OMG! Not only a woman finally in the White House, but a progressive voice, championing the people. Hitting back at Wal St.

Honestly, the fact that Bernie has generated the movement he has is electrifying.

And please, someone, tell me what she is running for? Not what polls tell her is popular to say. Not that she's Obama again, because she's not (she's to the right of him). Why is it she wants to be President so badly that she's rigged her life, the DNC, all her Pacs, buys up all sorts of political power houses, pre-buys up media sources? Why burn up the Demcratic Party? Why run while under FBI investigation?

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
25. Well, imagine if this was a Sanders surrogate...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:41 AM
Apr 2016

Camp Hillary lost their shit when someone used the term 'corporate whore' and it wasn't even directed at Hillary. If this person doesn't apologize, it is obvious that Hillary is agist and anti-semetic. See how that works?

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
35. No... Sanders campaign simply saying they do not have the good graces to end this but gonna cause
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:45 AM
Apr 2016

problems all the way thru the convention.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
38. Why should he?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:47 AM
Apr 2016

He is keeping Hillary on the left and as long as he is in the race, Hillary cannot turn back to her center right policies. So, he is still doing all of us all a favor, even if Hillary supporters are too blind to see it.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
41. No he is not. Clinton is top 15% most liberal in congress. Sanders is merely trashing and causing
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:50 AM
Apr 2016

problems for our party and the GE race. It is all ego for Sanders. If he wasn't being such an ass, but enhancing the party, that would be a different story. That is not what he is doing. But, simply stroking his ego creating false attacks and allegations on our candidate.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
51. Really.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:57 AM
Apr 2016

Please tell me which other "most liberal" congressmember ever proudly lists Kissinger as a close friend. For those of you that don't know, Kissinger makes Cheney look like a good guy. Also, since we are talking about when Hillary was in Congress, she was staunchly against gay marriage. How did that make her liberal. Or, how about she voted for the Iraq war and claims that she was tricked by Bush. Why wouldn't she just ask her husband because he was given daily intelligence briefings for 8 years and, I am sure, Clinton could have called one of their friends in the intelligence community if she didn't have the common sense to even ask her husband before she signed off on the inevitable deaths of Americans and Iraqis. The list goes on.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
62. Ya.. I see one is super predator. If you still use it as a weapon,. that tells us how limited
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:14 AM
Apr 2016

you are in a desire to listen and understand and be fair. A total waste of time. That one is so damn simple, that why bother.

Clinton is progressive. Sits within top 15% of liberal in congress. Votes 93% of the time with Sanders, And vote more progressively on a couple of the issues they differed on.

Fact

The rest is merely creating a false caricature because you do not like the woman, for whatever reason.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
65. Those are her own words that she said in speeches!
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:20 AM
Apr 2016

Ok so how does her saying she does not support gay marriage progressive? That is not some right wing smear... Those are her own words...

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
73. Ok, but.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:34 AM
Apr 2016

Saying that Sanders wasn't either doesn't explain how a progressive would be against gay marriage.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
80. ok but... my ass. Reality, very few were supporting marriage equality until the nation
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:38 AM
Apr 2016

became more supportive. It is ridiculous at this point, you need this basic education, and yet you still argue.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
68. She was talking gang bangers preying on children. You purpose ignore the reasoning and that....
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:28 AM
Apr 2016

is irresponsible and dishonest.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
78. No, you have presented two, wasting my time, that has perfectly legitimate reasoning you use as
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:37 AM
Apr 2016

weapon against Clinton making me waste my time. No. do your own research. The fact alone that two of your accusation are easily proven false should be a wake up call to you. You have SOME responsibility in your own education.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
39. Oh, well Sanders supporters don't want him to end this and it's our money.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:49 AM
Apr 2016

Again, there's Hillary's shining example of going to end in 2008.

Response to merrily (Reply #39)

merrily

(45,251 posts)
52. I didn't repeat one of my prior posts, so "backatcha" doesn't make a lot of sense.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:58 AM
Apr 2016

Not that I think that should stop you. You go!

nini

(16,672 posts)
94. Personally my panties wouldn't be in a bunch either way
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:53 PM
Apr 2016

I don't care when people get a bit colorful with their words. I do care these things are true though - on either side.

Politics is not for the easily offended.

Impedimentus

(898 posts)
29. Another reminder of the Clinton campaign mentality.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:44 AM
Apr 2016

I really dislike the use of obscenities in everyday speech by political professionals - it shows such a lack of class. Not much different from what is going on over at the Republican cesspool.

FEEL THE BERN - 2016

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
30. I am saying the same though not appropriate for senior Clinton aide, whoever that may be.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:44 AM
Apr 2016

Sanders got his ass kicked. And fuck him if he cause more chaos and mayhem for not other reason but his ego. I agree. Democrats as a whole need to make this clear to Sanders jeopardizing his position with the Democratic party in congress. I am glad to hear senior Democratic staff having had enough.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
36. Awww. So sorry you're upset, but Hillary taught us, to go until June and I hope
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:46 AM
Apr 2016

Bernie follows her shining example.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
82. Then you'll love this. Just now, on CNN, some pundits were sagely agreeing
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:41 AM
Apr 2016

that Bernie should tone it down for the sake of unifying the party. Isn't "unifying the party" something that's the nominee's job?

merrily

(45,251 posts)
85. That is not as simple to answer as it seems.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:50 AM
Apr 2016

Hillary and Bubba helped Obama unify--though that help certainly did not take the form of toning it down or dropping out before June 2008. However, I strongly suspect that they had made a deal for that support, covering his giving her the SOS or VP slot, her not running against him in 2012 and his supporting her in 2016, or at least not supporting anyone else.

I don't think Bernie is looking to run 8 years from now and he's been treated very unfairly. In his shoes, I think I'd sit on my porch, but I don't know what he will do. What will Bernie's endorsement, should he choose to give it, mean to his supporters? Hard to say for certain, but I did an Op about it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280155607

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
119. I wish Bernie would endorse Gloria de la Riva (of the Party for Socialism and
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:57 PM
Apr 2016

Liberation). De La Riva is a two-fer: a woman and a 'real' Socialist.

speaktruthtopower

(800 posts)
32. I don't think it was cheating, but the NY rules with the early registration deadline didn't favor
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:45 AM
Apr 2016

Bernie and the new voters he's brought into the process.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
47. Ya think? I cannot recall that ever happening during a Democratic primary.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:56 AM
Apr 2016

Though Iowa, Nevada and Arizona came damn close.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
40. Sanders and Weaver are publicly working to subvert the will of the people.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:50 AM
Apr 2016

I believe Sanders will back away from this approach and cast Weavers highly unethical ass to the side. Considering what Sanders and Weaver are doing at the moment, I think this is very polite from the Clinton Aide.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
105. Not sure what you are referencing. I love the new direction of the Sanders campaign.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:46 PM
Apr 2016

You must not get that.

Personally, give that ass hat Weaver more control. He sounds like a republican with his relentless attacks on the democratic party and great progressive institutions.

No poor baby here. Not sure how you even came to that thought.

wendylaroux

(2,925 posts)
108. Weaver is the man,you bunch of delicates need to toughen up.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:49 PM
Apr 2016

this is gonna get real good now,can't wait for the convention.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
114. "The man" "bunch of delicates" lol. That cleared it up.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:53 PM
Apr 2016

I hope you have a wonderful day and you are correct, the convention is going to be great.

 

demwing

(16,916 posts)
48. Fuck ya back, you poodle
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:56 AM
Apr 2016

Lap dogs aren't worth much in the real world. They just bark and piss themselves.

Go hump a Furby,

Response to Capt. Obvious (Original post)

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
87. How ironic . . . . . shouting obscenities at Bernie to tone it down.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:25 PM
Apr 2016

Sounds like how the Clinton has been run so far.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
89. One thing good about days like today . . . .
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:32 PM
Apr 2016

It makes it so much easier to decide which ones to put on ignore.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,181 posts)
91. I hope that aide is still around come the GE.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:43 PM
Apr 2016

I'm sure whichever republican she winds up running against will take that helpful hint in the spirit in which it is offered.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
92. Tone it down?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:47 PM
Apr 2016

That's what this "senior aide" thinks the NY primary was about?

A high school senior, maybe.

nini

(16,672 posts)
93. Well if the reporter said that it must be true
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:51 PM
Apr 2016

Is there audio of this?

I don't believe anything anymore without proof - there's entirely too much poo being flung around to not take anyone at their 'word'. Sad times really.

Let me add a senior aide should not be saying crap like that to a reporter so if he did he needs to go away.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
102. He needs to resign. Hillary said she wants to unite the dems, this coming from a senior Clinton aide
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:41 PM
Apr 2016

hurts her even further with Bernie supporters.

 

OwlinAZ

(410 posts)
133. Hillary cannot unite the Dems
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:38 PM
Apr 2016

A great many of them cannot abide how she conducts herself.
She is the epitome of greedy, self interest.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
138. Expressing frustration. They did not win this one by far and
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:39 PM
Apr 2016

if you look he won most out state areas. Not to mention the problems and the voter audit.

Peregrine Took

(7,415 posts)
121. Hiding behind "senior Clinton aide" eh? Come out, come out mouthy person!
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:58 PM
Apr 2016

Such naughty words but such a weak spine.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
122. Just what is needed to counter the threat of a fascist winning the White House: some good old
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:04 PM
Apr 2016

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fashioned Hippie Punching.

All leftists should hope for the best but start planning for the worst with geniuses like this on Hillary's campaign team

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
126. That's the same attitude they have about the public.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:14 PM
Apr 2016

I'll bet they're extra touchy right now about things they don't want the public told about, because Hillary's FBI interview either just took place or is about to.

You know, about all the really deal breaking stuff that Sanders refuses to hit her with. Because tone.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
131. Likewise and the horse they road in on. They clearly don't give one damn about our vote.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:28 PM
Apr 2016

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I have no plans of punching the top of the ticket for these people .

apnu

(8,758 posts)
134. We are at the tipping point for the primary season. Emotions are running hot and heavy.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:40 PM
Apr 2016

Anybody's who's been around the block in primary season knows this.

Remember how crazy people got in 2008 at this point? It was a mad house here.

We're doing it again. Never underestimate the Left's ability to shoot itself in a moment of pique.

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
135. So what are they so upset about?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:01 PM
Apr 2016

Was it not her campaign, which said
"Party unity later"?

And I don't recall her toning it down in 08
until late June. What is good for the goose,
is good for the gander.

Imo, this is not 08, and party unity will be
an illusion anyway.

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
136. Getting your ass kicked is: 86.1% vs. 13.6% NOT 58% vs. 42%.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:44 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie won his home state by 72.5%

Hill only won her's by 16%.



 

senz

(11,945 posts)
140. The "tone it down" comment? That's the latest Clinton SMEAR against Bernie.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:38 PM
Apr 2016

They've been pushing that meme for at least a week, and this past Monday and Tuesday, NPR was pushing it very hard -- doing their part to smear Hillary's opponent prior to the NY primary (with a little help from voter suppression.)

What's sad about this is the corporate media, the MSM, is going to keep playing this theme until everyone believes it.

All we can do is correct it every chance we get on alternative media.

Lies, lies, lies -- that, and voter suppression, are all they've got.

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