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Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:05 AM Apr 2016

Gore should have stood up against election fraud in 2000 and not thrown in the towel.


But he chose to remain silent for the good of the union. Boy, that has really worked out well for us..

When you throw in the towel, you embolden the wrongdoers and become complicit in their actions.
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Gore should have stood up against election fraud in 2000 and not thrown in the towel. (Original Post) Skwmom Apr 2016 OP
Absolutely. He should have fought for it. Baitball Blogger Apr 2016 #1
Agree OwlinAZ Apr 2016 #28
What is depressing is that this go along to get along is exactly what we're Baitball Blogger Apr 2016 #36
The fact that Gore and the Democratic Party Elite didn't care that rhett o rick Apr 2016 #2
Just didn't seem to care RobertEarl Apr 2016 #15
I see it playing out much differently. Gore was part of Clinton/Gore that helped rhett o rick Apr 2016 #16
Powers That Be RobertEarl Apr 2016 #22
But we do have a movement. We knew Sen Sanders is just a part of our movement and rhett o rick Apr 2016 #30
I remember it slightly different nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #40
The MSMs' complicity made it hard to dispute what people in Florida were up against randr Apr 2016 #3
Never have gotten over that post election period. OwlinAZ Apr 2016 #32
That is part of the reason we are where we fnd ourselves nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #41
DNC was a problem too egalitegirl Apr 2016 #4
Florida election law didn't allow for a statewide recount. One of the 99 Apr 2016 #6
You give Nader too much credit. Many people believe that Gore and Bush answered to the rhett o rick Apr 2016 #17
Many people believe the earth is flat. One of the 99 Apr 2016 #19
Nader had no influence over progressives. Unlike the conservative wing, we think for ourselves. rhett o rick Apr 2016 #35
But the new neo liberal ideology is still the same nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #44
In November who do you think they will blame? nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #43
They are already laying the groundwork. "Sanders should drop out unless he wants to hurt our rhett o rick Apr 2016 #45
I know nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #46
Gore did not have identical policies to Bush. What bullshit. Punkingal Apr 2016 #9
I am talking of faith bases charities and cap and trade egalitegirl Apr 2016 #11
He and Bush answered to the same Powers That Be and they told him to stand down quietly. nm rhett o rick Apr 2016 #18
He didn't challenge the election??? What color is the sky in your world? One of the 99 Apr 2016 #20
Yeah, but they slowed down the counting and claimed they were short of time egalitegirl Apr 2016 #23
You really need to stop talking about the 2000 recount One of the 99 Apr 2016 #24
Independents who changed to Democrats egalitegirl Apr 2016 #42
I couldn't agree more. bjo59 Apr 2016 #5
Exactly what should Gore have done? One of the 99 Apr 2016 #7
Gore got zero support from the rest of the Democrats. Punkingal Apr 2016 #8
Lieberman and Brazile reddread Apr 2016 #10
Exactly. Ed Rendell, head of DNC in 2000, sold Gore down the river farleftlib Apr 2016 #21
Time for a new party/movement? OwlinAZ Apr 2016 #34
here's the movie version MisterP Apr 2016 #12
Palast said he had evidence of Black Voter purging in FL but the Clintons would do NOTHING. Skwmom Apr 2016 #14
Gore should have engaged more voters. Orsino Apr 2016 #13
Millions of Americans that were elegible to vote refused to vote in our rhett o rick Apr 2016 #25
That's interesting. Should we put you down as a Trump voter, Rick? zappaman Apr 2016 #27
What could he do? LyndaG Apr 2016 #26
Gore did the best he could... Blanks Apr 2016 #29
" There is no intermediate step between a final Supreme Court decision and a violent revolution. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #31
The Republicans staged a coup for Bush/Cheney OwlinAZ Apr 2016 #38
So Al Gore should have dumped the Constitution and ruled like Bush. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #39
John Kerry...same thing. ViseGrip Apr 2016 #33
This thread is hilarious! Not fact based at all. Gore fought... YvonneCa Apr 2016 #47
And won Tennessee and fired Brazille Funtatlaguy Apr 2016 #37
 

OwlinAZ

(410 posts)
28. Agree
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:07 PM
Apr 2016

Democrats in congress and Democrats throughout the country should have stood by him and advocated strongly. But, they did not.
Remember Lieberman? His lack of strength was typical of the Democrats in general.
Some things never change.

Baitball Blogger

(46,733 posts)
36. What is depressing is that this go along to get along is exactly what we're
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:12 PM
Apr 2016

getting into when neo-liberals take over.

Can you imagine that? All the progress we have made to be heard since 2008 will vanish as soon as Hillary takes a reconciliating note to start business as usual again.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
2. The fact that Gore and the Democratic Party Elite didn't care that
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:31 AM
Apr 2016

the election was stolen shows that they are complicit. It's a game of the Elites and Gore jumped over the net and said "Good job, ole boy." The system is broken badly and yet some so-called Democrats are oblivious. They say they care about those among us that are struggling but can easily rationalize away the reasons we have 50 million Americans living in poverty. They hide behind pragmatism, their excuse to ignore those without health care, or homes, or retirements or jobs. They look the other way as the Ruling Class shots us in the streets and imprisons millions of us.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
15. Just didn't seem to care
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:40 PM
Apr 2016

Gore was too left for them. And they were tired of the Clintons and all that. So they just threw up their hands and let bushies run the show. 8 years later Hope and Change came on the scene and the elites again ran for cover from the long arm of the left. Can't really blame Obama for ducking out: he saw what he was up against. But Gore had nothing to lose. He should be out front and endorsing Bernie.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
16. I see it playing out much differently. Gore was part of Clinton/Gore that helped
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:54 PM
Apr 2016

the Powers That Be. The progressive of the party tried to warn the Party Elites that many were tired of Clinton/Gore and woundn't support Gore. The Party Elites that work for the Powers That Be didn't care if Gore lost to Bush. They weren't about to put in a progressive. Same as today. The Powers That Be would prefer Clinton to the crazies in the other party. Once again the progressives are trying to warn the Party Elites but again, their owners The Powers That Be would settle for a Republicon win over letting a progressive in the WH.

As far as Obama, I think he is more progressive than he has shown. Either he sold his soul to win or he got a talking to once in office.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
22. Powers That Be
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:23 PM
Apr 2016

That's the base of both parties. They manage everything and they get what they want as us pleebs argue about keeping jobs and keeping the planet alive.

Bernie is our last chance to get our shit together and the PTB is going all out to keep that from happening. We are witnessing a great battle for our souls, and it appears we shall lose, like we did in 2000. The People had no leader in 2000 and it looks like we are losing Bernie today.

Obama sparked, and was doused, H is just smoke.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
30. But we do have a movement. We knew Sen Sanders is just a part of our movement and
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:08 PM
Apr 2016

a great thanks to him to put himself and family at risk for opposing the PTB. H. Clinton is a champion of the PTB.

Mammon: The greedy pursuit of wealth or the worship of such.

randr

(12,412 posts)
3. The MSMs' complicity made it hard to dispute what people in Florida were up against
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:40 AM
Apr 2016

Republicans flew in party hacks to disrupt the recounts and the images spread across the TV screens forced the general public into acceptance of any outcome as long as it happened fast.
Probably the saddest episode of Americas' history.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
41. That is part of the reason we are where we fnd ourselves
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:19 PM
Apr 2016

It created a sense of illegitimacy that remains

 

egalitegirl

(362 posts)
4. DNC was a problem too
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:45 AM
Apr 2016

Back then, DNC too was part of the problem. By selectively counting only a few counties and only favorable precincts in some counties, they handed an easy argument to the Bushes to use in the courts. I couldn't believe that they were doing this. It seemed like they were throwing the election with such actions and also by making foolish arguments like they should count Pat Buchanan's votes for Al Gore. No matter how stupid it was to have butterfly ballots, it was even dumber to make this argument.

That said, Bush and Gore had identical policies. I see no difference between them. Gore's cap and trade is nothing but George HW Bus's "free market solution" and Bush's faith based charities was really Al Gore's idea. On wars and Wall Street welfare, the less said the better.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
6. Florida election law didn't allow for a statewide recount.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:09 AM
Apr 2016

All recounts requests had to be made on a county by county basis. Gore didn't have the resources to request a recount in all of Florida's counties so they focused on the ones that there were problems.

And no one made the argument that Buchanan's votes should count for Gore. At least no one in the Gore campaign.

Bush and Gore did not have identical policies. That is just a lie spouted by Nader.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
17. You give Nader too much credit. Many people believe that Gore and Bush answered to the
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:59 PM
Apr 2016

same Powers That Be. That's why the progressives weren't that hot on Gore. More of the DLC crap that Clinton pushed on us for 8 years. Nader was merely echoing what progressives were saying. Nader has been a good scapegoat for those that, when looking for someone to blame for the loss, won't look in the mirror.

We are facing a similar situation today. Progressives are trying to warn that the people are tired of the corruption of the DLC or Third Way now and may well let Trump have the presidency. I guess you will have to trot out Nader and blame him. Sen Sanders is the People's only hope.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
19. Many people believe the earth is flat.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:16 PM
Apr 2016

Doesn't make it reality.

And Nader was taking money from the GOP which he used to lie about Gore.

BTW The DLC disbanded years ago. Hearing some people still whining about them is like when FAUX News anchors still complain about ACORN.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
35. Nader had no influence over progressives. Unlike the conservative wing, we think for ourselves.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:11 PM
Apr 2016

The DLC organization disbanded but the people are still alive and kicking. They carry the philosophy of some social justice to keep the masses quiet, but strong economic control by Wall Street and strong foreign policy by the MIC.

And speaking of ACORN, Obama and the Democratic Party Elite abandoned them as they abandoned all progressives.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
44. But the new neo liberal ideology is still the same
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:23 PM
Apr 2016

That you are willfully that ignorant is to be expected. By the way, you will predictably blame the voters in November again. You will blame Sanders instead of Nader. I count on it

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
45. They are already laying the groundwork. "Sanders should drop out unless he wants to hurt our
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:27 PM
Apr 2016

chances in November."

 

egalitegirl

(362 posts)
11. I am talking of faith bases charities and cap and trade
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:32 AM
Apr 2016

I gave two examples. Cap and trade came from the Bushes and faith based charity came from Al Gore. I cannot accept the latter.

What really got to me was that he seemed to not challenge the election and threw it away. My fears came true. While following the 2000 recount, I was afraid that the Republicans would use the fact that only African American and Jewish precincts were counted in one of the counties to stop the recount. Had they counted the full county and quickly certified the result, the new numbers would have been in play. Why did they not do that? I can assure you that it was not due to lack of time as they claimed.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
20. He didn't challenge the election??? What color is the sky in your world?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:20 PM
Apr 2016

And you really don't know what you are talking about in regard to the 2000 recount. When a recount is requested in a county, the full county is recounted not just certain precincts.

 

egalitegirl

(362 posts)
23. Yeah, but they slowed down the counting and claimed they were short of time
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:48 PM
Apr 2016

They claimed they did not have time to complete the counting in the entire county and stopped it after counting the precincts favorable to Gore. Do we really think that Bush lawyers would not use it as an argument against the Democrats? Had they gone ahead and completed the counting, it would have at least given Gore a chance at victory.

I think 2016 is worse than 2000. At least Bush won the machine counting (even though they did not allow the hand recount to be considered and that is fraud) and at least the disenfranchisement was through butterfly ballots which was an unintended effect. This time it is through intentional erasure of potential Bernie supporters.

One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
24. You really need to stop talking about the 2000 recount
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:52 PM
Apr 2016

because you really don't know what you're talking about.

And there is no evidence of intentional erasure of potential Bernie supporters. I voted for Bernie and had no problems. Friends of mine who voted for Bernie had no problems either.

 

egalitegirl

(362 posts)
42. Independents who changed to Democrats
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:19 PM
Apr 2016

Independents who changed to Democrat and who were deprived the right to vote should be considered victims of political profiling to disenfranchise Bernie voters.

 

farleftlib

(2,125 posts)
21. Exactly. Ed Rendell, head of DNC in 2000, sold Gore down the river
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:23 PM
Apr 2016

He mockingly told him to step down and accept his loss as if it were no
big deal what went on in FLA and just about everywhere else. This was
the time to confront the Republicans on their privately-owned and very
suspect voting machines. But nooooo.

Now I've heard him say the other day he was a superdelegate and he didn't
care how many votes or pledged delegates Bernie had come July, he was
throwing his support to HRC no matter what.

Why is he even allowed to be around anymore?

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
14. Palast said he had evidence of Black Voter purging in FL but the Clintons would do NOTHING.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:37 PM
Apr 2016

It has been posted here several times.
 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
25. Millions of Americans that were elegible to vote refused to vote in our
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:58 PM
Apr 2016

non-democratic election system. Gore and Bush were both backed by the PTB. If H. Clinton, another of the DLC should win the nomination, then one would have to vote for Trump if wanted to vote against the Ruling Class Establishment.

I do not support voting for Trump.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
27. That's interesting. Should we put you down as a Trump voter, Rick?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:01 PM
Apr 2016

I mean, you did say "Vote for HRC and let the country slide right into fascism".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6658778

And I can't imagine you voting for fascism, so...

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
29. Gore did the best he could...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:08 PM
Apr 2016

We have to have respect for our institutions and the Supreme Court is the absolute final law of the land.

It sucks, but realistically, he couldn't continue fighting without encouraging anarchy.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
31. " There is no intermediate step between a final Supreme Court decision and a violent revolution.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:09 PM
Apr 2016

" There is no intermediate step between a final Supreme Court decision and a violent revolution. what was best for the country, the answer was very simple, to respect the rule of law and avoid undermining it and dragging the court into a partisan squabble where the outcome would not change in any case. So I am going to stand by my decision to respect the judiciary,"

Al Gore

A violent revolution was so what we needed.

 

OwlinAZ

(410 posts)
38. The Republicans staged a coup for Bush/Cheney
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:14 PM
Apr 2016

with a minimum of fuss. When the chips are down Dems act like doormats.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
39. So Al Gore should have dumped the Constitution and ruled like Bush.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:17 PM
Apr 2016

Or maybe he should have said, "Fuck it all. I am Emperor of these here United States."

I fundamentally disagree with your conclusion.

YvonneCa

(10,117 posts)
47. This thread is hilarious! Not fact based at all. Gore fought...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:33 PM
Apr 2016

...through the courts for weeks, all the way to the Supreme Court where the recount was stopped. That decision was devastating, but left no Constitutional options.
Kerry in Ohio was quite a different fight.

Funtatlaguy

(10,878 posts)
37. And won Tennessee and fired Brazille
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:13 PM
Apr 2016

Gotta win your home state.
And, don't get me started on Donna B.

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