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bigtree

(85,998 posts)
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:29 AM Apr 2016

C'mon, Bernie isn't really going to challenge a Clinton vote and delegate lead at the convention

Jesse Lehrich ?@JesseLehrich 1h1 hour ago

ICYMI: This is now apparently the path forward for @BernieSanders...
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/team-sanders-still-has-plan-win-the-democratic-nomination



Is Bernie really going to look to the Democratic 'establishment' insiders he's been railing against to overturn the will of voters? I really doubt that's going to be the plan he brings back from his respite in Vermont.

If Weaver gets his way, and there's a convention fight, our party's nomination will be indistinguishable from the republican fiasco. I don't think more than the handful of members who've already identified their politics with the Sanders bid will respond to this appeal from the trailing candidate. I don't think they'll appreciate the disruption.

I expect more than a few will be calling Sanders at home and laying that out for him. Candidates get caught up in their own nonsense. Sometimes it takes a few doses of reality from folks expected to carry their water to convince them prospects for victory are severely limited. I expect Sanders to do what he said he would at the start of his bid and refuse to be a 'spoiler.'
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onehandle

(51,122 posts)
1. It would be hard for me to believe that he will go full-on Ted Cruz.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:31 AM
Apr 2016

The spoiler label would stick quickly.

bigtree

(85,998 posts)
2. not to mention
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:52 AM
Apr 2016

... the 'hypocrite' label.

If he's the maverick everyone thinks he is, he'll abandon the political hacks and get back to the business of defeating the republican nominee.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
4. I think that's partly what his VT breather is all about.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:42 PM
Apr 2016

It's easy to get keyed up on the campaign trail. Emotions run high, and no doubt, his well-paid campaign managers are encouraging him to keep going after Clinton as hard as he can. He probably needs a breather and chance to decide what it is he wants to accomplish at this point, since the nomination is out of any practical reach

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
5. Yeah, talk about voter disenfranchisement.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:45 PM
Apr 2016

In Bernie logic, rules that have been in place for decades (closed primaries) are voter disenfranchisement, while subverting the will of DEMOCRATIC VOTERS is not.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
6. Let's not pretend this sort of thing hasn't happened at nearly every convention.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:52 PM
Apr 2016

Sure, campaign managers will try to flip all the delegates they can, and if they can't, they're still not going to admit defeat before their candidates concede. It's not overturning the will of the voters (depending on the leverage used, of course)...but asking a campaign manager to concede in advance is definitely stupid.

Let's calm down and let voters and the candidates negotiate.

MadBadger

(24,089 posts)
10. Um no. Usually there is only one candidate remaining (the presumptive nominee).
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:47 PM
Apr 2016

And the conventions are just free press for the party/nominee

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
14. Yeah, we're often down to one viable/non-suspended candidate by convention time...
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:28 AM
Apr 2016

...but never down to just one faction of convention-goers. Even delegates may hold out a while, though this isn't often visible to those of us outside. Eventually, most at the convention will plaster on smiles and pretend to be 100% for the nominee.

And eventually, it's more or less okay.

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