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SHRED

(28,136 posts)
3. Bernie will have a hard time doing that
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:42 AM
Apr 2016

Considering they are bought and paid for by her and DWS "Victory Fund".

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
2. There are very few legitimate "news" organizations left
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:40 AM
Apr 2016

Expecting them to vary from the party line is, IMHO, like expecting Pravda to print lengthy exposes of Putin kissing little boy's bellies (there is an actual picture of that, by the way).

TV and cable news largely consist of news readers, not reporters, and those who present a contrary view of things are quickly dismissed or relegated to the Internet.

It is ingenuous for Sec'y Reich to complain about the media not covering the stupidity of not seeking out independent voters in this Primary. Such "reportage" would be contrary to the interests of those people signing the checks. So it goes.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
6. I thought all the triangulatin' was for attracting the Independents.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:45 AM
Apr 2016

Now that they're the majority, it would make sense to nominate a candidate Independents like.

Are there any polls about who Independent voters prefer in 2016?

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
7. I have seen polls...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:49 AM
Apr 2016

...where Bernie beats any Repug by a wider margin than her.
I suspect due to independents but not sure if they included them.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
8. It's crazy to measure. And it all comes down to what DU was started about in 2000.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:23 PM
Apr 2016

I'd like to see every ballot counted. That means pieces of papers with an "X" or whatever that don't evaporate when the electricity goes out.

Odd to see so many people denigrate the mention of such happenings.

dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
9. I think they're quite happy to have them remain independents
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:13 PM
Apr 2016

The independents mostly aren't with the corporate agenda anyway, so both parties are happy to have them self-isolate into a powerless unaffiliated group where they can't have much if any impact on the primaries.

Then the independents can choose between Thing 1 and Thing 2 in the general election, both chosen by the corporate parties.

There are two answers to this. One is to organize the independents into a third party. The other is to take back one of the parties from within with a populist agenda that will bring independents back. Interesting times, we'll see.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
10. Interesting Times
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:47 PM
Apr 2016

The only thing the 1-percent of 1-percent give a fig about is what we think. That's why the lack of coverage and lack of vision. That's why the noise machine at full blast 24/7/366 Ivan Denisovich style.

To control the future we need to control what people think. That's why uh so many politicians and whomever lie all day long. They don't care about the facts. They care about filling the public mindspace.

From there, they carve chunks of the middle. Having them "parked in neutral" must make it a breeze to shape and direct. That's why I find Bernie's candidacy so important: He is not playing the game. He is trying to put ideas and idealism back -- that what we dream is possible.

The one thing the masses must know: Those at the center of power and finance are using office to make money in secret for themselves and their cronies around the world. That's why they hate WikiLeaks, Snowden and the Panama Papers. They document their crime.


dreamnightwind

(4,775 posts)
11. The Panama Papers will help educate the masses
Fri Apr 22, 2016, 11:30 AM
Apr 2016

if we can get the info to them. I think there's a receptive audience. More and more, people intuitively know the reality of this, so when they learn about the Panama Papers and how the wealthy hide their hoardes, it will fit what they already know and reinforce it by detailing the mechanisms the rich actually use.

One of the biggest problems is that people are just too busy to do anything about it, trying to stay afloat, and too used to being rebuffed when they try. Also in this day and age we have information overload, so it's hard to get anything to penetrate the noise floor to the degree necessary to spur people to action.

Time for the boiling frog to jump from the pot. Better clear the fire below and make for the labor pool. If labor could organize globally that would get the attention of the ownership class.

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