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gabeana

(3,166 posts)
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:35 AM Apr 2016

On becoming Anti-Bernie piece floating around

the Internets low and behold is a corporate lawyer and Clinton supporter and what is not surprising this lawyer, the attacks she lobbed at Sanders are the same one's Hill supporters used on Bernie on DU


http://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/surprise-author-of-viral-becoming-anti-bernie-piece-is-corporate-lawyer-who-defends-hedge-funds/

"Let’s start with one of her bald-faced lies. Alperstein writes that Sanders, “literally pushed his wife away from a lectern (‘don’t stand there!’) on the air.” Actually, Bernie gestured. He never touched her. And there is video. So Alperstein either didn’t watch it (is “lazy and unprepared,” which are literally the words she uses to describe Sanders) or she’s a liar."

"She has literally dedicated her professional life to fighting for the corrupt fat cats Sanders is fighting against. It’s really hard to believe that there was ever a time she “liked Bernie Sanders,” which she claimed she did though she “always leaned Hillary.”

read the article some nasty stuff this person has represented as a lawyer not surprising at all a Clinton supporter

"Defeated securities fraud class action brought against foreign holding company and individual in District of Massachusetts."

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On becoming Anti-Bernie piece floating around (Original Post) gabeana Apr 2016 OP
They just don't get it Old Codger Apr 2016 #1
In a nation of 300+ million there will always be "theys." Hortensis Apr 2016 #8
I have enough Old Codger Apr 2016 #35
Sounds like she struck a nerve. nt msanthrope Apr 2016 #2
So you agree gabeana Apr 2016 #3
Well......the corporate lawyer wrote an absolutely kick ass article... msanthrope Apr 2016 #4
This what this corporate lawyer did (i take it you didn't read what was posted gabeana Apr 2016 #5
90 paragraphs of awesome critique....and I note you haven't refuted msanthrope Apr 2016 #6
Who does she represent gabeana Apr 2016 #9
Like I said....Robin wrote 90 paragraphs of kick ass critique of Bernie..... msanthrope Apr 2016 #11
Can you refute the article I posted gabeana Apr 2016 #14
Shit...I didn't even read the article you posted. I went to the primary source article. msanthrope Apr 2016 #15
Moving goal post gabeana Apr 2016 #17
Can you address the 3 FEC letters? Or are you still worried that the msanthrope Apr 2016 #19
refute my post gabeana Apr 2016 #21
I did....by bringing up the primary source article. That's why you can't address the FEC msanthrope Apr 2016 #23
No you didn't gabeana Apr 2016 #31
I did read the original article and the cogent critique about financing..... msanthrope Apr 2016 #33
Not until you refute what was said in the Raw Story gabeana Apr 2016 #34
Both Clintons have always had a higher standard applied to them. I don't know why, BreakfastClub Apr 2016 #10
We work twice as hard for our 77 cents. And we are expected to look pleasing whilst doing it. nt msanthrope Apr 2016 #13
Oh my god the BS you spring gabeana Apr 2016 #16
Again....this feminist wants to know if you can address the FEC letters contained msanthrope Apr 2016 #18
Until you refute the article gabeana Apr 2016 #20
Nope.....I went to the source article. If you can't refute that, why should I read msanthrope Apr 2016 #22
Still can't refute what I posted go figure gabeana Apr 2016 #24
I didn't read your article. Went to the primary source to see what all the butthurt msanthrope Apr 2016 #27
I didn't read your raw story article. I'm familiar with the primary source. msanthrope Apr 2016 #29
By the way I am waiting for you to alert gabeana Apr 2016 #25
Why the fuck would I alert on your Striesand? nt msanthrope Apr 2016 #28
cause you got nothing gabeana Apr 2016 #30
You are Striesanding an excellent critique of Bernie. Thank you. nt msanthrope Apr 2016 #32
Thank you for this post. NCTraveler Apr 2016 #26
i can write anything I want, but if it starts really floating around La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #7
That particular piece floated around NY Democratic circles..it encapsulated msanthrope Apr 2016 #12
 

Old Codger

(4,205 posts)
1. They just don't get it
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:30 PM
Apr 2016

They are actually doing more harm to her overall than they can possibly imagine...We have the means to verify or debunk every single claim they throw out there. The gain for them is the actual low information voter who will not take time to verify stuff...the loss for them is that they will never again have a unified base for any candidate the PTB choose to attempt to pawn off on us..The chances for hill to win the GE are almost non existent, they seem to believe that the R's are really going to allow any of the active candidates really be the nominee, you can bet that there are already several viable candidates waiting in the wings to ride in and "save" their sorry asses...Even if they did actually allow one of those asinine idiots to run the odds are still against hill, she has alienated the indies by way too much to have any hope that they may vote for her, they are essential really to any candidate winning so she will lose a large percentage there, next are the R voters who would cross over and vote for Bernie, they will either stay at home or come out in droves to vote against her, she has way to much baggage and she has pissed way to many people off to have any real hope of winning a national election...the only reason she has as many delegates as she does is through manipulation by the DNC disenfranchising voters ...

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
8. In a nation of 300+ million there will always be "theys."
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:17 PM
Apr 2016

"They" are never an excuse for being a "they" oneself.

As for not getting it, isn't it time you started focusing on the right? There are real evil forces massed over there to smash us and finish their takeover of our nation. Just the presidency alone would enable them to turn SCOTUS right-wing for another 30 years.

 

Old Codger

(4,205 posts)
35. I have enough
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:31 AM
Apr 2016

Problems I see coming from the so called dems the third way is a joke as far as real dems go, the DNC is a travesty foisting a losing candidate off on the rest of us that really care about the country and it's people so focusing on the right is a long way off for me too much already from my "friends" on the left.... if it wasn't so serious it would be funny.

And I sure as hell don't need advice from a hill fan...Instead of giving me some sort of direction maybe you need to look at your own candidates backyard.

gabeana

(3,166 posts)
3. So you agree
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:36 PM
Apr 2016

with the Corporate lawyer and you just want to be snarky and not comment on the merits of the article

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
4. Well......the corporate lawyer wrote an absolutely kick ass article...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:46 PM
Apr 2016


Sanders said on April 13th, at his rally in Washington Square (and I’m paraphrasing), that how one runs a campaign and who one takes money from shows what kind of person a candidate is. By that metric, he doesn’t fare so well either. Sanders has over $23 million in unsourced, potentially illegal campaign contributions that he has been unable to explain. He’s received three separate letters from the FEC questioning thousands contributions including identifying thousands in excess of $2,700 (the individual limit), and he had $10,465,912 in aggregated $35 donations all made on a single day from a single zip code in DC that cannot be explained (that would mean 299,026 donations were made on one day from that zip code, when DC’s entire population is about 660,000). If this had been the Clinton campaign with these sorts of questionable contributions, it would be worked into that same old stump speech as a reflection of her lack of character. One standard for Hillary Clinton, another standard for Bernie Sanders.

gabeana

(3,166 posts)
5. This what this corporate lawyer did (i take it you didn't read what was posted
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:56 PM
Apr 2016

OK. Now back to Alperstein. Who is she, you ask? Well, she’s a partner at Becker Glynn. And, according to the website, she specializes in

Defending witnesses before the SEC in connection with various investigations involving credit default swaps, CDOs and CLOs.
Defending several hedge funds and a health care company in the Tribune fraudulent conveyance actions.
Defending a holding company and individual against claims for conspiracy to commit fraud in connection with an alleged “pump and dump” market manipulation scheme on London and German stock exchanges.
Defending publicly traded domestic company against wage and hour class action in New York state court.
Advised hedge fund in connection with investigation of Ponzi scheme and corporate governance issues.
Defeated securities fraud class action brought against foreign holding company and individual in District of Massachusetts.

and this lawyers credibility

But the piece is generally chock full of distortions and myths that persist despite lack of evidence: Sanders hasn’t accomplished anything (which is weird because he has and his nickname is the Amendment King); he never compromises (which is even weirder since Alperstein points to examples of compromise in the same piece); has no foreign policy experience (he has more foreign policy experience than Ronald Reagan or Barack Obama did when they ran for first election, was right on Iraq. And Clinton was wrong on Iraq, but to be fair, her being wrong shouldn’t be limited to that one incident. She’s also been wrong on Libya, Haiti and Honduras, where she legitimized a coup that has rendered the country the “murder capital of the world.”)

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
6. 90 paragraphs of awesome critique....and I note you haven't refuted
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:13 PM
Apr 2016

a damn one of them.

As for Robin's clients, she, like every civil attorney, need only act honorably within the confines of our profession. I don't give a shit who she defends, as long as she plays by the rules. It's lawyers like Greenwald, who commit ethical breaches on behalf of disgusting clients that I worry about.

gabeana

(3,166 posts)
9. Who does she represent
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:17 PM
Apr 2016

the people or clients that have hurt these the people, and you haven't refuted anything in the article I posted, so deflect move the goal poat whatever you do and by the way what I posted refutes the credibilty, she lied and was caught but no matter what I post you will deny

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
11. Like I said....Robin wrote 90 paragraphs of kick ass critique of Bernie.....
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:23 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie, who is happy to vote with gun manufacturers over Sandy Hook victims. People in glass houses should not throw stones.....

Care to address the FEC letters?

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
15. Shit...I didn't even read the article you posted. I went to the primary source article.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:31 PM
Apr 2016

Like I give a shit who Robin defends, as long as she plays by the rules? I've defended pedophiles. Does it mean I don't get a say in the political process?

Again......care to address the 3 FEC letters? 'Cause that's shitloads more important than who some attorney represents.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
19. Can you address the 3 FEC letters? Or are you still worried that the
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:41 PM
Apr 2016

person who brought them up represented people you don't like?

3 FEC letters. Crickets.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
23. I did....by bringing up the primary source article. That's why you can't address the FEC
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:01 PM
Apr 2016

letters. Because it matters not at all who this lawyer represents. The FEC letters are hard cold facts.. .. . That you cannot explain away.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
33. I did read the original article and the cogent critique about financing.....
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:59 PM
Apr 2016

care to address the FEC violations?

gabeana

(3,166 posts)
34. Not until you refute what was said in the Raw Story
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:56 PM
Apr 2016

article about the dishonesty of your favorite corporate lawyer, besides Hillary,
You know Obama criticized Hillary in 2008 for being a corporate lawyer

BreakfastClub

(765 posts)
10. Both Clintons have always had a higher standard applied to them. I don't know why,
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:23 PM
Apr 2016

but among journalists, it's pretty well-known and is called the "Clinton Rules." The Clinton Rules informally state that journalists can say anything they want as long as they say it about the Clintons. This has been going on for over two decades, and it's not going away anytime soon. In fact, it's gotten far worse with Hillary running because women are always held to a higher standard than men in this country.

gabeana

(3,166 posts)
16. Oh my god the BS you spring
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:37 PM
Apr 2016

because any criticism of the Hillary is because she is a woman, what a disrespectful response to the the woman who really are marginalized in our country, the countless women whose lives were devastated by the Welfare reform act, I was raised by a single mother who was and is my strength I am proud to be raising a daughter who calls herself a feminist

so just because we have issues with Hillary it is because of issues not her Gender

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
18. Again....this feminist wants to know if you can address the FEC letters contained
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:39 PM
Apr 2016

in the original source article.

Still can't?

gabeana

(3,166 posts)
20. Until you refute the article
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:52 PM
Apr 2016

I posted we can play this game all day, but I will be gone for a couple hours,

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
22. Nope.....I went to the source article. If you can't refute that, why should I read
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:59 PM
Apr 2016

anything else.....

Still can't address the FEC issue?

gabeana

(3,166 posts)
24. Still can't refute what I posted go figure
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:02 PM
Apr 2016

sounds like we have a talker who can't back it up

a hijacker with no victim

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
27. I didn't read your article. Went to the primary source to see what all the butthurt
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:04 PM
Apr 2016

was about.

Still can't answer on the FEC letters.....maybe Bernie can hire Robin's firm to defend him.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
29. I didn't read your raw story article. I'm familiar with the primary source.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:09 PM
Apr 2016

Again.....still can't address the FEC issue......and who would want to?

Reminds me of the Sharpton campaign, and his FEC settlement. Let's hope Bernie has good lawyers.

gabeana

(3,166 posts)
25. By the way I am waiting for you to alert
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:02 PM
Apr 2016

because that I have been seeing a lot of alerting at DU going on lately

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
7. i can write anything I want, but if it starts really floating around
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:14 PM
Apr 2016

it means that other people probably are feeling the same way, or in some ways identify with the message.

and not all these other people are corporate lawyers.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
12. That particular piece floated around NY Democratic circles..it encapsulated
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:25 PM
Apr 2016

what a lot of women are feeling.

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