2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumOn becoming Anti-Bernie piece floating around
the Internets low and behold is a corporate lawyer and Clinton supporter and what is not surprising this lawyer, the attacks she lobbed at Sanders are the same one's Hill supporters used on Bernie on DU
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/04/surprise-author-of-viral-becoming-anti-bernie-piece-is-corporate-lawyer-who-defends-hedge-funds/
"Lets start with one of her bald-faced lies. Alperstein writes that Sanders, literally pushed his wife away from a lectern (dont stand there!) on the air. Actually, Bernie gestured. He never touched her. And there is video. So Alperstein either didnt watch it (is lazy and unprepared, which are literally the words she uses to describe Sanders) or shes a liar."
"She has literally dedicated her professional life to fighting for the corrupt fat cats Sanders is fighting against. Its really hard to believe that there was ever a time she liked Bernie Sanders, which she claimed she did though she always leaned Hillary.
read the article some nasty stuff this person has represented as a lawyer not surprising at all a Clinton supporter
"Defeated securities fraud class action brought against foreign holding company and individual in District of Massachusetts."
Old Codger
(4,205 posts)They are actually doing more harm to her overall than they can possibly imagine...We have the means to verify or debunk every single claim they throw out there. The gain for them is the actual low information voter who will not take time to verify stuff...the loss for them is that they will never again have a unified base for any candidate the PTB choose to attempt to pawn off on us..The chances for hill to win the GE are almost non existent, they seem to believe that the R's are really going to allow any of the active candidates really be the nominee, you can bet that there are already several viable candidates waiting in the wings to ride in and "save" their sorry asses...Even if they did actually allow one of those asinine idiots to run the odds are still against hill, she has alienated the indies by way too much to have any hope that they may vote for her, they are essential really to any candidate winning so she will lose a large percentage there, next are the R voters who would cross over and vote for Bernie, they will either stay at home or come out in droves to vote against her, she has way to much baggage and she has pissed way to many people off to have any real hope of winning a national election...the only reason she has as many delegates as she does is through manipulation by the DNC disenfranchising voters ...
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)"They" are never an excuse for being a "they" oneself.
As for not getting it, isn't it time you started focusing on the right? There are real evil forces massed over there to smash us and finish their takeover of our nation. Just the presidency alone would enable them to turn SCOTUS right-wing for another 30 years.
Old Codger
(4,205 posts)Problems I see coming from the so called dems the third way is a joke as far as real dems go, the DNC is a travesty foisting a losing candidate off on the rest of us that really care about the country and it's people so focusing on the right is a long way off for me too much already from my "friends" on the left.... if it wasn't so serious it would be funny.
And I sure as hell don't need advice from a hill fan...Instead of giving me some sort of direction maybe you need to look at your own candidates backyard.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)gabeana
(3,166 posts)with the Corporate lawyer and you just want to be snarky and not comment on the merits of the article
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Sanders said on April 13th, at his rally in Washington Square (and Im paraphrasing), that how one runs a campaign and who one takes money from shows what kind of person a candidate is. By that metric, he doesnt fare so well either. Sanders has over $23 million in unsourced, potentially illegal campaign contributions that he has been unable to explain. Hes received three separate letters from the FEC questioning thousands contributions including identifying thousands in excess of $2,700 (the individual limit), and he had $10,465,912 in aggregated $35 donations all made on a single day from a single zip code in DC that cannot be explained (that would mean 299,026 donations were made on one day from that zip code, when DCs entire population is about 660,000). If this had been the Clinton campaign with these sorts of questionable contributions, it would be worked into that same old stump speech as a reflection of her lack of character. One standard for Hillary Clinton, another standard for Bernie Sanders.
gabeana
(3,166 posts)OK. Now back to Alperstein. Who is she, you ask? Well, shes a partner at Becker Glynn. And, according to the website, she specializes in
Defending witnesses before the SEC in connection with various investigations involving credit default swaps, CDOs and CLOs.
Defending several hedge funds and a health care company in the Tribune fraudulent conveyance actions.
Defending a holding company and individual against claims for conspiracy to commit fraud in connection with an alleged pump and dump market manipulation scheme on London and German stock exchanges.
Defending publicly traded domestic company against wage and hour class action in New York state court.
Advised hedge fund in connection with investigation of Ponzi scheme and corporate governance issues.
Defeated securities fraud class action brought against foreign holding company and individual in District of Massachusetts.
and this lawyers credibility
But the piece is generally chock full of distortions and myths that persist despite lack of evidence: Sanders hasnt accomplished anything (which is weird because he has and his nickname is the Amendment King); he never compromises (which is even weirder since Alperstein points to examples of compromise in the same piece); has no foreign policy experience (he has more foreign policy experience than Ronald Reagan or Barack Obama did when they ran for first election, was right on Iraq. And Clinton was wrong on Iraq, but to be fair, her being wrong shouldnt be limited to that one incident. Shes also been wrong on Libya, Haiti and Honduras, where she legitimized a coup that has rendered the country the murder capital of the world.)
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)a damn one of them.
As for Robin's clients, she, like every civil attorney, need only act honorably within the confines of our profession. I don't give a shit who she defends, as long as she plays by the rules. It's lawyers like Greenwald, who commit ethical breaches on behalf of disgusting clients that I worry about.
gabeana
(3,166 posts)the people or clients that have hurt these the people, and you haven't refuted anything in the article I posted, so deflect move the goal poat whatever you do and by the way what I posted refutes the credibilty, she lied and was caught but no matter what I post you will deny
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Bernie, who is happy to vote with gun manufacturers over Sandy Hook victims. People in glass houses should not throw stones.....
Care to address the FEC letters?
gabeana
(3,166 posts)since that is what this post is about, that she lied
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Like I give a shit who Robin defends, as long as she plays by the rules? I've defended pedophiles. Does it mean I don't get a say in the political process?
Again......care to address the 3 FEC letters? 'Cause that's shitloads more important than who some attorney represents.
gabeana
(3,166 posts)thanks for being honest
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)person who brought them up represented people you don't like?
3 FEC letters. Crickets.
gabeana
(3,166 posts)since i brought it up, your trying to hijack the thread, not letting you off easy
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)letters. Because it matters not at all who this lawyer represents. The FEC letters are hard cold facts.. .. . That you cannot explain away.
gabeana
(3,166 posts)you didn't read the article
very vapid response
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)care to address the FEC violations?
gabeana
(3,166 posts)article about the dishonesty of your favorite corporate lawyer, besides Hillary,
You know Obama criticized Hillary in 2008 for being a corporate lawyer
BreakfastClub
(765 posts)but among journalists, it's pretty well-known and is called the "Clinton Rules." The Clinton Rules informally state that journalists can say anything they want as long as they say it about the Clintons. This has been going on for over two decades, and it's not going away anytime soon. In fact, it's gotten far worse with Hillary running because women are always held to a higher standard than men in this country.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)gabeana
(3,166 posts)because any criticism of the Hillary is because she is a woman, what a disrespectful response to the the woman who really are marginalized in our country, the countless women whose lives were devastated by the Welfare reform act, I was raised by a single mother who was and is my strength I am proud to be raising a daughter who calls herself a feminist
so just because we have issues with Hillary it is because of issues not her Gender
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)in the original source article.
Still can't?
gabeana
(3,166 posts)I posted we can play this game all day, but I will be gone for a couple hours,
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)anything else.....
Still can't address the FEC issue?
gabeana
(3,166 posts)sounds like we have a talker who can't back it up
a hijacker with no victim
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)was about.
Still can't answer on the FEC letters.....maybe Bernie can hire Robin's firm to defend him.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)Again.....still can't address the FEC issue......and who would want to?
Reminds me of the Sharpton campaign, and his FEC settlement. Let's hope Bernie has good lawyers.
gabeana
(3,166 posts)because that I have been seeing a lot of alerting at DU going on lately
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)gabeana
(3,166 posts)and you're flailing
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)So short yet so important.
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)it means that other people probably are feeling the same way, or in some ways identify with the message.
and not all these other people are corporate lawyers.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)what a lot of women are feeling.