Isn't democracy about VOTES won? Not "counties won."

"The goalposts have been moved so many times, they've got wheels and a jet engine."
~unknown DUer whose name I forgot to remember along with this great quote.

Sanders supporters since last evening. Reminds me of the GE--when you see all the RED though out the Mid states---the sparsely populated areas--lots of land mass but relatively few voters-population.

Gore like most Democrats did better in densely populated areas. Republicans don't like to live near other people.

The further away from the cities the better Republicans do.

I was just pointing out, more often than not, it's "other people" who don't want to live near Republicans.

Bernie did extremely well with Democrats, long-standing Democrats. he wins independant voters by massive margins.

than Bernie so far, in 17 out of 22 states, I think it is. Most independents, in fact, lean right or left and vote more reliably for the party they lean toward than some of those who belong to parties. (!) And let's face it, among those independents who voted for Bernie are an unidentified number who are trying to take HRC out. We don't know just how many are voting "strategically," but we know it's happening. In any case, perhaps more would have gone for him in NY, but not enough to make a difference.

Please note that modern data collection is compiling lists of who votes for whom, and those lists are purchased by political groups for future campaigns, as well as everyone else (can we FIX this??!!!).
I suspect that is a reason Sanders might regret states with closed primaries -- inability to identify sympathizers among independents for future efforts.

She won 21 of 27 congressional districts. She won everywhere there are more people than deer.

And you call yourself a progressive. Lol

But, somehow, she will easily win the GE without us.

I guess we'll see.

Democratic party nomination.

Independents can go start their own party if they want.

And maybe they can form their own message board too.

Sanders is only running as a democrat because it has the structure in place. You either get to take advantage of the structure and accept that it comes with disadvantages (like independents can't vote in the primaries in some states) or you develop your own structure.

He chose option 1, or as I like to call it 'the whining falls on deaf ears' option.

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And if you can't win a Democratic primary with Democrars, then you are not going to be the Democratic nominee.

The closed NY primary is a perfect example. In general, HRC supporters see no issue with it being closed, and generally favor that concept. That's fine, but the Democratic party is at a crossroads. 40% of voters are independent. That's larger than both the Democratic party and the GOP. That's an opportunity. But the Democratic party chooses to be exclusive rather than inclusive. That will get you your establishment candidate but will cost you membership in the future as you disenfranchise a large block of voters, particularly young ones. That is how a party continues to slowly die...

Allowing independents to vote is simply a courtesy given by some state parties. If people in New York want to have a say in who is nominated from a certain party, then it makes sense that they need to be somehow affiliated.

Also, if you're interested in the Democratic Party then join the Democratic Party. Why should people that have worked and toiled to build the party over the years be sidelines by Johnny-come-Lately fad candidacies?

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Your point makes no sense.

Sid

but he did it by margins smaller than Hillary won NYC, and often in counties that had fewer than 5,000 total votes. Look at the map, and wherever there are significant numbers of people, Bernie didn't fare well.

She won Nassau and Suffolk County, she won Westchester County, she won Rockland and Orange County.

And she beat the brakes off Bernie in every borough.

So, you know, with the exception of Albany and Binghamton, she won every major population center in New York State (sorry Plattsburgh!).

Once he bows out, he will not call for his supporters to untie behind the nominee. Why should he?

And since when did you start reading Sanders' mind?
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than voted for Hillary he would have won.

That didn't happen. But if it had he would have won.
He could still win if he were allowed to use his own math too.
He's not tho. So he's not going to win.

Bernie should have won!

Of major counties, Bernie only won Albany.