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kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:44 AM Apr 2016

Tad Devine and Weaver on the campaign.

Tad Devine said this morning that they will "reassess" the situation after the primaries next week.

If NY was a turning point for both Hillary and Bernie this week, next week's vote will be another one.

Weaver last night stunned members of Hillary's campaign and much of the media because he said they will contest at the convention even if Bernie is behind in the popular vote and delegate commitments. However, Devine has been silent on Weaver's statement and so has Bernie.

If next week largely goes Hillary's way, and Bernie thereafter continues to hit Hillary as hard as he did in NY, there is a strong probability that the media will begin to turn against him. By then, any remaining uncertainty about Clinton's nomination will vanish, and Bernie will begin to look like a tired old man pursuing a lost dream. Democrats will begin to vocally pressure him to leave the race because he is damaging the Democratic Party. And slowly but surely, the media will assume the same position.

But if next week goes Bernie's way, his fight continues and the media, ever in pursuit of a horserace that brings ratings, clicks and profits, will largely support the move or at least be rather muted on the rightness of his continuing the fight.

The numbers don't look good for Bernie next week, but so far, little has been predictable in this race, for Democrats and Republicans.

So all eyes should be on the race next Tuesday, because IMHO, it is much more important than it is portrayed.

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hack89

(39,171 posts)
2. Bernie needs to get Weaver back on the reservation
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:49 AM
Apr 2016

before he turns his campaign into a clown show. Bernie knows that how he exits the campaign is just important as how he started it - he does not want to tarnish his image.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
5. This race has been anything but unpredictable.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:53 AM
Apr 2016

Sanders has won the smaller and more homogeneous states and primaries, Michigan notwithstanding and Clinton has won the larger and more heterogeneous state primaries and caucuses.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
7. Looks like they're reassessing today in Vermont.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:55 AM
Apr 2016

I'm sure it's a very serious discussion that's going on there.

Perhaps they'll shed Weaver from the campaign. He's hurting it at this point.

 

IamMab

(1,359 posts)
8. What do you define as "going his way" in next week's contests? Specifically.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:58 AM
Apr 2016

I've seen people say winning 2 out of 5 is a victory for him, others say 3.

538's targets say he has to win every state to be on track for a majority of delegates. Not even enough to win the nomination, but enough to be the pledge delegate leader going into the convention.

So what does "victory" look like on April 26th?

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
15. Respectfully, I disagree.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:24 PM
Apr 2016

My concerns about Bernie are:

1) his platform - none of his platform will pass because of the numbers - an historic 58-seat Republican majority in the House and the complete Republican control of the majority of state legislatures. Bernie's plan for free college requires that one third of the cost be paid by the states. It's not going to happen.

2) his unelectability - mainly because of his biography which is loaded with information that the Republicans would use to destroy him in the general election campaign.

3) the absence of any plan (other than hiking taxes) to achieve his platform as demonstrated in the NYDN editorial board interview.

4) Limited understanding, experience, and interest in foreign policy in a time when our foreign policy is as important as our domestic.

Only since the NYDN interview has the media begun to address #3. They have yet to address #2, his biography. There has been only a bit of attention to #4 (note that only one of the debates gave substantial attention to foreign policy). Only #1 has received any real coverage because the evidence is obvious. The math is difficult to challenge.

Hillary? The media is not Hillary's friend. Her dress (boring!), her manner (too aggressive!), her voice (too loud!), the speeches, the Wall Street ties, Benghazi, Whitewater, her SOS record (terrible!), her emails (indictment coming!) and on and on - it's all been covered and most of it repeatedly during the campaign.

Why the difference? The media wants a horserace; a coronation is boring - bad for ratings and $$$.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
10. Bernie will never ever be the one who 'damaged the party' no matter what he does.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:22 PM
Apr 2016

That was done when Clinton signed NAFTA and sided with the corporations who took over the party.

So the ones who actually ruined the democratic party, were the clinton.s
Monica, gun running and the rest. I'll never vote for another clinton EVER.

 

ViseGrip

(3,133 posts)
11. Hey Tad why don't you access the election fraud! You were silent in 04 too.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:23 PM
Apr 2016

You don't merit your money. You,,,,have no balls.

mikehiggins

(5,614 posts)
12. I hate to join the throng BUT
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:48 PM
Apr 2016

"...the media will begin to turn against him."

Are you kidding? Where have you been? To what/which media do you refer?

Ignoring/mocking/denigrating Sanders' campaign somehow equates with supporting him, in your view?

The "media", in all its glory, has been against Sanders' campaign since the first day. They may not have publically proclaimed as much but the stories they did tell, often concocted out of thing air, speak very clearly to their bias, discrimination and flat out dismissal of the Sanders effort from the very outset.

so it goes...

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
13. Respectfully, I disagree.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:15 PM
Apr 2016

My concerns about Bernie are:

1) his platform - none of his platform will pass because of the numbers - an historic 58-seat Republican majority in the House and the complete Republican control of the majority of state legislatures. Bernie's plan for free college requires that one third of the cost be paid by the states. It's not going to happen.

2) his unelectability - mainly because of his biography which is loaded with information that the Republicans would use to destroy him in the general election campaign.

3) the absence of any plan (other than hiking taxes) to achieve his platform as demonstrated in the NYDN editorial board interview.

4) Limited understanding, experience, and interest in foreign policy in a time when our foreign policy is as important as our domestic.

Only since the NYDN interview has the media begun to address #3. They have yet to address #2, his biography. There has been only a bit of attention to #4 (note that only one of the debates gave substantial attention to foreign policy). Only #1 has received any real coverage because the evidence is obvious. The math is difficult to challenge.

Hillary? The media is not Hillary's friend. Her dress (boring!), her manner (too aggressive!), her voice (too loud!), the speeches, the Wall Street ties, Benghazi, Whitewater, her SOS record (terrible!), her emails (indictment coming!) and on and on - it's all been covered and most of it repeatedly during the campaign.

Why the difference? The media wants a horserace; a coronation is boring - bad for ratings and $$$.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
16. the media " will begin to turn against him?????????"
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:31 PM
Apr 2016

when the hell has the corp media, EVER been for him?

if they think a threat of the media being unkind to bernie has any legs, forget it. the msm has been out for Bernie's blood since day one. nothing has changed, except the clinton desperation to get him out before california.

and dws, the dnc, and everyone has been out to screw bernie since the beginning. he is under no obligation to quit the race to make it easier on hillary. if she can't handle him, she sure as shit is not going to handle trump in the fall

#bernieorbust

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