I am with Bernie until the end, but I recognize that it's a long shot at this point, and I am coming to terms with Hillary being our nominee.

If in fact hillary is "our" nominee, I'm not certain that I'm still a part of "us".

That's about right. In a list of 20 things, it's these two I've problems with:

1. Money Trumps Peace

2. Amnesty for Banksters, Warmongers, War Criminals & Traitors

everything that is wrong with the system. I personally loathe her and will not be able to hold my nose and vote for her. I will write in Bernie's name...even though if others do it they will not get picked up by the equipment that counts ballots. But I use absentee ballots which are counted by hand in our county.

Bernie as nominee would have a much better chance of beating the Repug nominee compared to the loathed Hillary. Have you any idea how many people think she is a traitorous, greedy liar?

I'm at the point of.... fuck it.... if the public is so stupid that they want somebody like Trump or Cruz. Then let them have one of those stupid bastards and then see what life is like for the next few years.

We are so close to the killing the eco-system now, that no matter who is elected, unless it is Bernie, we are going to suffer losses like never before. Medicare. Social Security... will be very vulnerable.

Maybe that's what it will take to wake up the neanderthals of this country including the greedy bastards who made it possible to ruin the earth for their humongous bank stashes. Some people just can't see beyond their own very selfish interests.

Sid

That tells you all you need to know.

If I believed only the first thing I read this morning, Wall Street breathed a big sigh of relief.

and maybe wanted to sleep in his own bed after a tough day. who can argue with that?

When the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

David Talbot talks with Mother Jones about the book we talked about on DU in 2013:



You Think the NSA Is Bad? Meet Former CIA Director Allen Dulles.

In a new book, David Talbot makes the case that the CIA head under Eisenhower and Kennedy may have been a psychopath.

—By Aaron Wiener
MotherJones | Sat Oct. 10, 2015

"What follows," David Talbot boasts in the prologue to his new book The Devil's Chessboard, "is an espionage adventure that is far more action-packed and momentous than any spy tale with which readers are familiar." Talbot, the founder of Salon.com and author of the Kennedy clan study Brothers, doesn't deal in subtlety in his biography of Allen Dulles, the CIA director under presidents Eisenhower and Kennedy, the younger brother of Secretary of State John Foster Dulles, and the architect of a secretive national security apparatus that functioned as essentially an autonomous branch of government. Talbot offers a portrait of a black-and-white Cold War-era world full of spy games and nuclear brinkmanship, in which everyone is either a good guy or a bad guy. Dulles—who deceived American elected leaders and overthrew foreign ones, who backed ex-Nazis and thwarted left-leaning democrats—falls firmly in the latter camp.

Mother Jones chatted with Talbot about the reporting that went into his 704-page doorstop, the controversy he invited with his discussion of Kennedy-assassination conspiracy theories, and the parallels he sees in today's government intelligence overreach.

SNIP...

MJ: Is that why you chose not to include much about Dulles' childhood or his internal strife or the other types of things that tend to dominate biographies?

DT: I focused on those elements that I thought were important to understanding him. I thought other books covered that ground fairly well before me. But what they left out was the interesting nuances and shadow aspects of Dulles's biography. I think that you can make a case, although I didn't explicitly say this in the book, for Allen Dulles being a psychopath.

They've done studies of people in power, and they all have to be, to some extent, on the spectrum. You have to be unfeeling to a certain extent to send people to their death in war and take the kind of actions that men and women in power routinely have to take. But with Dulles, I think he went to the next step. His own wife and mistress called him "the Shark." His favorite word was whether you were "useful" to him or not. And this went for people he was sleeping with or people he was manipulating in espionage or so on. He was the kind of man that could cold-bloodedly, again and again, send people to their death, including people he was familiar with and supposedly fond of.

There's a thread there between people like Dulles up through Dick Cheney and [Donald] Rumsfeld—who was sitting at Dulles's knee at one point. I was fascinated to find that correspondence between a young Congressman Rumsfeld and Allen Dulles, who he was looking to for wisdom and guidance as a young politician.

MJ: I'm interested to hear you mention Rumsfeld. Do you think the Bush years compared in ruthlessness or secrecy to what was going on under Dulles?

DT: Definitely. That same kind of dynamic was revived or in some ways expanded after 9/11 by the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld administration. Those guys very much were in keeping with the sort of Dulles ethic, that of complete ruthlessness. It's this feeling of unaccountability, that democratic sanctions and regulations don't make sense in today's ruthless world.

CONTINUED...

http://www.motherjones.com/media/2015/10/book-review-devils-chessboard-david-talbot

"Germans?"

"Shut up. He's on a roll."

when the Saudis took down Freedom.

Might be a new record.

While not giving an inch.

Well done.

I think who will win has been decided, that doesn't mean it's over for Sanders.

Yes Hillary won NY but it wasn't a knock out blow and Bernie isn't throwing in the towel.

ONWARD!!

"Call it, Skinner."

and it is being planted all over the place including here at DU.

It will cause a lot of supporters to stop donating, and to lose hope.

Bastards!!!!!

who Am I kidding -- I've never recced one before, but here's to the first.

To be fair, it always seems like someone should be playing "The World Turned Upside Down" when I do that.

Her negative rates will just get worse because people who couldn't vote.
Will blame the Establishment, and she's an Establishment candidate.

the general election campaign that Hillary will be running.

but otherwise, I agree.

If it wasn't for the massive voter purge and the discrepancies between the exit
polls and the stated vote counts I might be able to be magnanimous, but as it
stands -- no way, Jose.

Bernie said it's not over until Philadelphia. Nothing has changed.

There are 1400 delegates left. This is far from over but we have to get busy!!!!

that Obama was further behind Clinton at this point in 2008? You know, the claim you made like four or five times yesterday?