They were shocked to find out they couldn't vote yesterday. Since NY has had closed primaries for at least 50 some years, this tells me a lot of people never bothered voting before this.

Not to belittle out and out fraud such as described above, but if you've been registered here for more than 4 or 5 years, you have only yourself to blame for not knowing the rules.

But good job with the distraction.

I suspect there are far more who just haven't bothered to take part before now.

De Blasio is going to get answers on what went wrong. If it was fraud, let the chips fall where they may. Most likely it's nothing that nefarious but we'll soon know.
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Because if you turn it into "those stupid voters just didn't know the rules", then it's much easier to sell an investigation that results in nothing.

The investigation will complete in 2018. It will find no intentional wrongdoing. DeBlasio is just playing his role in the current episode of political theater.

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They declare "mistakes were made" and then declare it is time to move on.

Feel free to point out any episode where such election fraud has actually resulted in significant punishment for anyone. How 'bout starting with the 350,000 people cut from the voter rolls in 2000 in FL? Who got convicted for that?

The woman voted as a Dem in 2008, then they retroactively forged her registration some time between March 9 2016 and April 29 2016. Probably on the spot at the polls, since they seemed to have her "registration" right there.

transpired as she alleges (not a foregone conclusion at this point) there are surely no other explanations for the screw up. No, it had to happen because someone 'forged her registration'. Cool story, Bro.

If you can't persuade the voters, suppress them. And when they catch you, ridicule them.

Shame.

where the voter's will could be discerned, including hanging chads. If you will recall, the Supremes stepped in and with incredible arrogance and a total and complete disregard for the law ordered the count STOPPED. Which is why Bush was selected as President. Not even remotely similar.

In this case it appears many ballots will NOT be counted.

But the registration purge is similar to the purge in FL in 2000.

how 'they' (whoever 'they' are) managed to only screw up the registration for Bernie supporters???

People in Bernie's birthplace for example.
People who would benefit most from Bernie's policies (middle/lower class people).
and so on.

GOP got it down to an art in 2000, purging anybody with surnames they didn't like. I expect detailed investigation will clarify more of the specifics, if anybody dares to do the investigation.

be) any proof of what you tried to allege, it's because 'nobody dared to do the investigation'? Got it. Remember to file under "Conspiracy theories".

and subtly undermine Bernie.

I would approach any NPR analysis on a 2016 election issue with great caution.

But I can see why you're pushing it.

What are your approved list of media sources then?

And people have been noticing their blatant pro-Hillary, anti-Bernie bias:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/9/2/1417908/-Today-NPR-made-Sanders-an-unperson-at-least-for-NPR-listeners

http://pac.petitions.moveon.org/sign/tell-npr-to-stop-ignoeing

https://www.reddit.com/r/NPR/comments/49jinf/npr_target_demographicantibernie_bias/

https://www.reddit.com/r/SandersForPresident/comments/44odb0/why_npr_let_me_down_bernies_got_my_vote/

than the notion that someone went in and forged paper copies of random voters, changing their registration date and status.

The more likely and non-tinfoil hat nutter explanation is that a person with the same or similar name was registered as a Republican in 2004, and their info got mixed.

that "her registration some time between March 9 2016 and April 29 2016." You're drawing a conclusion with no evidence.

"checked online on March 9th to be sure she was registered at her new address."
"But on her way out she saw a Board of Elections worker holding something with her name on it. It was her 2004 voter registration, replete, she remembers, with her name, her social security number, her birthday—and someone else’s signature.
“I said, ‘Excuse me, that’s not my signature,’” she said. “It’s not my handwriting. It showed completely different signatures.” "

Reading is Fundamental

It could have been a clerical error. Again you are drawing a conclusion with no evidence.

I'm pretty sure clerks aren't supposed to sign your form for you. It's called fraud and it's illegal.

I have twin daughters. You wouldn't believe how the System -in this day and age- still manages to confuse them.
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and different signature.

You must live in a parallel universe.

It's the digital age. Shit happens. I can easily imagine a 'signature card' or something being assigned to the wrong person.

But with this many potential screw-ups, it deserves to be investigated. Which it is. In case you hadn't noticed, we're all on the same side on this issue.
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It's so hard to crack through the denial!

Let's wait and see, shall we? Anything wrong with that or do you want to go ahead and put Clinton in jail now?
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Now it's time to actively demand investigation.

And I don't need to put Clinton in jail. The GOP will take care of that.

There are a lot of people blaming Hillary for these problems. It is literally impossible for Hillary or her Campaign or for the DNC to do any of these things.

Its incompetence and poor record keeping, not wonton corruption that's the problem. We do not invest our best and brightest to government, I wish we did, but we don't.

Every year there are voting irregularities and many of them are gross incompetence. Not all, but many. The 2000 Florida debacle was mostly incompetent election choices on the part of the states and the counties that lead to that mess. Republicans swept in and took advantage of the incompetent and inadequate butterfly ballot system, but even then they had to sue to stop the count because Bush was losing. And this, yes, after they did a voter purge, W was still going to lose.

We need to clean up our electoral process, including party primary regulations, and normalize it across all 50 states. Because, obviously the states cannot manage this on their own with out screwing the pooch somewhere.

It's criminal activity.

First of I am not ridiculing anybody or anything. I don't think any of this is funny nor do I think of it in any way lightly. I do know, when things like this happen, the first, best step is to take a breath and let the emotions go so we can think and act rationally.

Its very possible that, however they keep the records in that county, something got screwed up and things got switched around. Since we do not know how they store voter data we can't say if it was fraud or an incompetent mistake.

For example, did the poll worker have the original voter registration or was it a print out? If it was a print out, how was that data stored? In a database maybe? If a database, how was the copy of the signature stored? As an image? How does the database align voter information to the image? How does the software that connects to the database for this stuff align the information for display and printing?

Now at that point we could, just as easily have a bad actor with access to the database switching things around, or we could have, along the way mixed up whatever is used to link all this together (in the DB world we call those things "primary keys&quot . I can tell you from 20 years in IT, its very easy to screw up primary keys in a database and happens often. Cleaning up these kinds of messes every DBA does a few times in their career. And every time the problem is because of either incompetence or other human error, usually through fatigue.

I say all that to say: you have zero evidence, and the article has zero evidence, to declare criminal activity. Anything else is jumping the gun.

It just fell off of somebody else's form, somebody with the same name?

READ THE STORY - the lady describes the appearance of the signature in graphic detail. She was not reading a text version of the form; she was looking at the paper itself.

And there's a lot of reasons it could incompetence or something else.

Until we know more, we should not presume. Which is what you're doing. You are drawing these conclusions from one article. Take a breath and be rational before going straight to everything being a criminal endeavor.

Find out, know what actually happened, find corroborate stories. There's a lot of work to do to find out what's going on here and what happened.

I am not saying something criminal did not happen. I am saying we need to know more before we go there. Right now we have one story of one person with one video showing something very strange. Until we see a pattern, in NY, we can't presume anything. Even after the article gets done telling Guerrero's story it veers off to talk about other things in general. Like broken machines, polling place confusion, and polling places that don't open on time. Those things I've seen in pretty much every election I've taken part in since 1992.

So I'm saying "let's be cautious and find out what happened." I don't understand why you don't get that.

And real investigation will not happen if we quietly fold our hands and wait.

WTF! That's exactly what I was saying. Investigate! But you're presuming criminal activity before investigation.

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Of course, we'll need to repair SCOTUS before we can repair the Voting Rights Act, but holy crap this demonstrates how vitally important that is, and far more is needed.

Just like voters in certain other Dem primaries THIS year.

Interesting, hm?

Quick, quick, coverup, coverup!

were saying this. Anyhow, you have one unverified anecdotal example here. Who knows if any of what this person said is even true?

I'm sorry, but one anecdotal example is not really evidence of any widespread phenomenon.

126,000 > 1

"A spokesperson for New York Attorney Eric Schneiderman told the New York Daily News that his office received “by far the largest volume of complaints we have received for an election since Attorney General Schneiderman took office in 2011.”
Some polling sites did not open on time, citing too few election workers. Others had faulty voting machines, or were delivered half the number of promised voting machines."

No one would go to all that trouble for a primary.

It has the attention, the comptroller, the mayor, when I use Google as soon as I get to "voting p" it fills in "voting problems New York 2016".

So let's push this investigation and not speculate without saying we're speculating, as we all know both parties have some pretty tense primaries going on this season.

From CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/19/politics/new-york-primary-voter-problem-polls-sanders-de-blasio/
USA Today: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/2016/04/19/latest-ny-primaries-clintons-cast-their-votes/83230426/
NYT:http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/20/nyregion/new-york-voters-face-problems-at-the-polls.html

It's being talked about and not quietly.

Ooo, and Breitbart is all over this too. But I don't link to such accomplished news sources as them.

Two years from now, the investigation will quietly result in nothing.

...we don't let it.

I don't like disenfranchisement any more than you do. While we may disagree on some aspects of what could be called 'disenfranchisement', I'm pretty sure we both agree that this is.

There's no way anyone would do similar striking of the voter rolls in OH 2004, or more recently in AZ and NY!



Btw, we still have an army of people claiming it was the 20,000 Nader voters that cost Gore the election, not the 350,000 people illegally disenfranchised.

this is true.

But I can't live without hope so I'll just have to keep having it.

then they did indeed have the inability to register. Due to the law.

But if you actually read the story, you'll find examples of people who confirmed they were properly registered before election day, yet on election day they were suddenly not registered properly.

Is that enough advance planning for you?

Keeping a level head about this is the only way to get to the truth of the matter. Any hyperbolic accusations are just going to complicate the investigation.
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Since Hillary dominated with Black and Hispanic voters as well as those making under $30K a year.

My son was purged in Monroe County (Rochester). He reported it months ago but because he wanted to change his registration so he could vote in the primary. He was a registered independent. The Board of Elections finally responded to him saying he was purged because he moved. He thus missed the deadline. He never moved, never put in a change of address. When he asked what "new address" they had on file for him, they said "we don't have that information". They told him at this point, all you can do is register again. He pushed the issue and he had to cast a provisional ballot which are not counted until after primary. Sorry, if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck than it is a duck.


Without independent support like Obama had, Hillary will not win. No wonder why young people hate politics and are cynical.

the changed registrations because they ALL will have different signatures. How they managed to get a fake one 4 years before she registered is very interesting. Election Fraud is written all over this along with what has happened in Arizona and other states. It is not a systemic error--it is Clearly Fraud.