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Sanders wins majority of NY counties despite Clinton victory (Original Post) pinebox Apr 2016 OP
In typical Sanders fashion, he wins places where people don't live. Renew Deal Apr 2016 #1
In Typical Hillary Fashion, She Wins Places Where The 1%er's & The Banksters Reside....nt global1 Apr 2016 #8
The Bronx? She won the Bronx 70-30%. Jamaica, Queens? Springfield Gardens? alcibiades_mystery Apr 2016 #12
My childhood friend living in a 4th floor walkup in the Bronx will be THRILLED! auntpurl Apr 2016 #37
Do you ever notice rock Apr 2016 #75
that's absolutely not true. she's winning most where minorities live. nt La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #29
Brooklyn native Bernie Sanders lost his childhood block to Hillary Clinton in N.Y. primary Freddie Stubbs Apr 2016 #39
Oh please, what does Hillary have like 9 hometowns or something? pinebox Apr 2016 #50
Absolutely RandySF Apr 2016 #43
She (and no one else) will ever win with 1% of the vote Zambero Apr 2016 #52
Oh them darn city folk, how dare they cluster together like that! Disgusting! anigbrowl Apr 2016 #71
Dancing? dlwickham Apr 2016 #76
Babies born naked as well Zambero Apr 2016 #90
Team Used Car Salesmen (Devine Weaver) hasn't informed Sanders about voters... uponit7771 Apr 2016 #10
Nobody lives in Denver? pinebox Apr 2016 #13
Nobody lives in Albany NY? Nobody significant right? Cheese Sandwich Apr 2016 #23
Only about 100k people anigbrowl Apr 2016 #73
Yup and now Sanders and his fans borrow a page from the teabagger party workinclasszero Apr 2016 #30
Upstate NY also has fewer Democrats. RandySF Apr 2016 #45
Ha ha. Clinton kicked ass. Nt seabeyond Apr 2016 #2
And she won 21 CDs to his 6, which is the real number obamanut2012 Apr 2016 #3
She won the cities RobertEarl Apr 2016 #80
Oh, so she cheated? Give it a rest obamanut2012 Apr 2016 #82
The establishment has been known to cheat RobertEarl Apr 2016 #89
"Dirt doesn't vote" Tarc Apr 2016 #4
Voting is not held by County. Clinton won a huuuuge majority of districts, Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #5
More than 1/3 of bernie counties vote republican in presidential elections. Fresh_Start Apr 2016 #6
Nice try n/t radical noodle Apr 2016 #7
I'll hand it to the Sanders people alcibiades_mystery Apr 2016 #9
Thanks for making me LOL this morning. politicaljunkie41910 Apr 2016 #15
Actually, Trump won 3x as many counties as Bernie Onlooker Apr 2016 #11
Interesting that Trump lost Manhattan. The folks who know him best. politicaljunkie41910 Apr 2016 #17
Counties are utterly meaningless in this context. Codeine Apr 2016 #14
Ha! Counties equal Land Mass--NOT population with Voters. Now you know. riversedge Apr 2016 #16
Acres instead of Delegates? :-P Fuh'REAL?? NurseJackie Apr 2016 #18
No for fake pinebox Apr 2016 #68
Ha!! :-D (And Bernie will still NOT be the nominee.) NurseJackie Apr 2016 #70
Ha! And Hillary will win in a general! pinebox Apr 2016 #74
People vote...not land mass. Jitter65 Apr 2016 #19
This. tymorial Apr 2016 #85
He won the red counties! According to Sanders, red counties don't count! fried eggs Apr 2016 #20
And his best borough was Staten Island Renew Deal Apr 2016 #22
Can you show us where Bernie said that? pinebox Apr 2016 #25
Like everything else he just insinuates it redstateblues Apr 2016 #28
*smh*.... *sigh*...... no sarcasms needed. desmiller Apr 2016 #32
So? Zynx Apr 2016 #21
Eh, no it actually isn't pinebox Apr 2016 #26
Should Bernie have run as an independent? Zambero Apr 2016 #42
Maybe BUT you do know pinebox Apr 2016 #44
This is the Democratic Party. He isn't doing well with Democrats. Zynx Apr 2016 #53
He is doing just fine pinebox Apr 2016 #56
Trump will likely be the Republican nominee. Zynx Apr 2016 #59
Honestly I don't see the RNC allowing that pinebox Apr 2016 #64
Trump would go third party and we still win huge. Zynx Apr 2016 #65
That depends pinebox Apr 2016 #66
if those 3.2 million independents wanted to vote in a CLOSED primary dlwickham Apr 2016 #77
21 Clinton CDs to 6 Bernie CDs Godhumor Apr 2016 #24
My graphic isn't correct? pinebox Apr 2016 #27
Slide keyboard. Write should have been Erie Godhumor Apr 2016 #34
The graphic is from earlier in the evening alcibiades_mystery Apr 2016 #38
This is what happens during every GE. We win the cities, they win most of the counties. MadBadger Apr 2016 #31
smells like fishy voter irregularities in ny, az, ma, ia, mo, nv, and the unaudited deep south 4ricksren Apr 2016 #33
Bingo! pinebox Apr 2016 #51
This is really sad mythology Apr 2016 #88
And if the nomination were awarded based on "counties won" Bernie would win. Instead, it's based on IamMab Apr 2016 #35
In a system that isn't open pinebox Apr 2016 #49
The "select few" are the people who "selected" Democratic Party on their registration. IamMab Apr 2016 #54
Anyone can do that? pinebox Apr 2016 #57
I am, yes. I think it should be a 2-week deadline ahead of the election. IamMab Apr 2016 #61
2 weeks? pinebox Apr 2016 #62
In New York, for voters who were already registered, the deadline was last year. Rhiannon12866 Apr 2016 #91
Sean Hannity loves this type of map Zambero Apr 2016 #36
However wouldn't it stand to reason pinebox Apr 2016 #48
It's interesting, isn't it auntpurl Apr 2016 #40
lol more "sexism!" claims pinebox Apr 2016 #46
I don't know about the county by county break downs griffi94 Apr 2016 #78
Let's do some math. RandySF Apr 2016 #41
Same point right wingers raised about Obamas 2 election victories.. beachbumbob Apr 2016 #47
Acres are people!! CrowCityDem Apr 2016 #55
1.3 million votes represents all of NY! pinebox Apr 2016 #58
Silly OP! Measuring Counties are Land Mass-->NOT people-voters!! Got that Now?? riversedge Apr 2016 #60
No need for voter roll purges in those Bernie counties apparently. nt NorthCarolina Apr 2016 #63
It's too bad winning counties doesn't mean anything ... eh? n/t SFnomad Apr 2016 #67
Land doesn't vote. Why am I having to point this out on DU? anigbrowl Apr 2016 #69
The search for new metrics continues. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #72
Oh Please! St Bernard got absolutely schlonged by Hillary yesterday!! Who cares how many low beaglelover Apr 2016 #79
Bernie wins cow pastures workinclasszero Apr 2016 #81
There is no food for thought about this. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #83
Can we attempt consistency? tymorial Apr 2016 #84
I wish... JSup Apr 2016 #87
Yes, but... JSup Apr 2016 #86
Oh no, you didn't! wildeyed Apr 2016 #92
 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
12. The Bronx? She won the Bronx 70-30%. Jamaica, Queens? Springfield Gardens?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:55 PM
Apr 2016

These bastions of wealth and privilege!



Watching the Sandersites desperate flailing in the face of this ass-kicking is truly delicious!

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
37. My childhood friend living in a 4th floor walkup in the Bronx will be THRILLED!
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:32 PM
Apr 2016

I can't wait to tell her she's rolling in dough.

Freddie Stubbs

(29,853 posts)
39. Brooklyn native Bernie Sanders lost his childhood block to Hillary Clinton in N.Y. primary
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:33 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie Sanders couldn't even win his childhood block.

The Brooklyn native lost by a 20-point margin in his home borough to Hillary Clinton in Tuesday's Democratic primary, falling some 60,000 votes short in Kings County despite his local roots — and weeks of canvassing, rallies and a debate at the Brooklyn Navy Yard.

Sanders, who grew up along the 1500 block of E. 26th St., lost his old Midwood neighborhood, 56-38.

more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/bernie-sanders-lost-childhood-block-new-york-primary-article-1.2608396

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
52. She (and no one else) will ever win with 1% of the vote
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:44 PM
Apr 2016

So the other 99% decided the outcome. So what is the point, other than an attempt to rely on false equivalency?.

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
71. Oh them darn city folk, how dare they cluster together like that! Disgusting!
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:10 PM
Apr 2016

I hear they have parties and dancing and sex in the city too. Filth!

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
90. Babies born naked as well
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:43 PM
Apr 2016

And 1% of the electorate manages to rack up nearly 60% of the votes, as the fundamental laws of decency (and mathematics) are laid to waste by the Clinton Big Apple juggernaut.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
10. Team Used Car Salesmen (Devine Weaver) hasn't informed Sanders about voters...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:52 PM
Apr 2016

... I don't think Sanders is a details kinda guy

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
13. Nobody lives in Denver?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:56 PM
Apr 2016

Colorado is now a ghost town? Someone may want to tell United and Southwest who have hubs here.

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
73. Only about 100k people
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:12 PM
Apr 2016

Whereas there's something 5.5 million in NYC. So yeah, the city with >50 times as many people is in fact more important than the one with 100k.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
30. Yup and now Sanders and his fans borrow a page from the teabagger party
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:22 PM
Apr 2016

and crow about winning all those empty spaces!

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
80. She won the cities
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:21 PM
Apr 2016

Or at least the counts from the cities claim she won. Everyone knows it is easier to machine the counts in the cities being as the more numbers there are the more can be shaved.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
89. The establishment has been known to cheat
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:41 PM
Apr 2016

I doubt H can even swipe clean a computer much less get one to count her votes. But the crooks as represented by the PTB sure as fuck can and do.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
4. "Dirt doesn't vote"
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:51 PM
Apr 2016

You're parroting the GOP in the fall when they caterwaul over all the redness of the voting map, piney.

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
6. More than 1/3 of bernie counties vote republican in presidential elections.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:51 PM
Apr 2016

whereas Clinton counties vote for democrats

 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
11. Actually, Trump won 3x as many counties as Bernie
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:53 PM
Apr 2016

For those of you county enthusiasts, the fact is that Trump got more votes than Hillary Bernie in over 30 counties. Is that supposed to mean something?

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
14. Counties are utterly meaningless in this context.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 12:58 PM
Apr 2016

She won 21 of 27 congressional districts. That's how we measure such things.

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
19. People vote...not land mass.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:03 PM
Apr 2016

And it is not like she didn't get any votes from those areas. Bernie just got more.

fried eggs

(910 posts)
20. He won the red counties! According to Sanders, red counties don't count!
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:03 PM
Apr 2016

Or has he flip flopped on that idea? Do they count now?

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
21. So?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:05 PM
Apr 2016

He didn't win the major population center of the state. In fact, he got crushed there. Her coalition is much more diverse and broad-based than his.

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
42. Should Bernie have run as an independent?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:36 PM
Apr 2016

That is his designation in the U.S. Senate, and much of his base of support as well. But as we speak he is running on the Democratic ticket. Trump gets much support from indies but he still managed a decisive win on the GOP side. That old saying about wanting one's cake and eating it too comes to mind.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
44. Maybe BUT you do know
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:38 PM
Apr 2016

that a certain someone from a certain party has reached out to Bernie, right?
You'd better hope he doesn't do that because we know how the GE numbers shape up

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
56. He is doing just fine
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:49 PM
Apr 2016

To say anything else is not living in reality.

Start of the primaries Bernie had 3% name recognition vs the most famous woman in the world.
Think about that.
But he isn't doing well is he?

In a GE Hillary will get trounced IF she is the nominee. You can say what you want but there's a disconnect there on your behalf because the fact is most of America can't stand Hillary and sees her as unfavorable and untrustworthy.

It is what it is.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
59. Trump will likely be the Republican nominee.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:52 PM
Apr 2016

She crushes him by huge margins. Even GA and NC look like they're in play.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
64. Honestly I don't see the RNC allowing that
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:00 PM
Apr 2016

What I do see is a contested convention with Paul Ryan getting the nod.

dlwickham

(3,316 posts)
77. if those 3.2 million independents wanted to vote in a CLOSED primary
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:06 PM
Apr 2016

then they should have registered as Democrats

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
24. 21 Clinton CDs to 6 Bernie CDs
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:11 PM
Apr 2016

Think population instead of land mass (And Hillary won Erie, so your graphic isn't even correct.)

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
34. Slide keyboard. Write should have been Erie
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:27 PM
Apr 2016

Home of Buffalo went Clinton. So yes, the graphic is wrong.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
38. The graphic is from earlier in the evening
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:33 PM
Apr 2016

It show Erie County (Buffalo) as Sanders. Clinton won Erie County. It shows Nassau County with no votes in. Clinton won it 2-1.

The graphic itself shows only 70% of precincts reporting. So yes, it is inaccurate relative to final results.

 

4ricksren

(72 posts)
33. smells like fishy voter irregularities in ny, az, ma, ia, mo, nv, and the unaudited deep south
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:27 PM
Apr 2016

the only reason bernie lost the south so badly, is because people barely had heard of him

all the states listed above are under investigation for electoral disenfranchisement

bernie should rightfully be ahead, or at least tied in delegates and popular vote
 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
88. This is really sad
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:40 PM
Apr 2016

Is it that hard to admit that Sanders is losing? Also if you want to talk about unaudited contests, caucuses are really bad for that and Sanders wins most of those.

 

IamMab

(1,359 posts)
35. And if the nomination were awarded based on "counties won" Bernie would win. Instead, it's based on
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:28 PM
Apr 2016

votes and delegates.

 

IamMab

(1,359 posts)
54. The "select few" are the people who "selected" Democratic Party on their registration.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:48 PM
Apr 2016

Anyone can do that, if they choose.

I can't tell if you just don't want to understand or just don't care to because it undermines your argument.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
57. Anyone can do that?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:51 PM
Apr 2016

No, not really.
I understand that in some states people had to switch their registration long before the primaries ever started.
Are you against people switching on the same day?

 

IamMab

(1,359 posts)
61. I am, yes. I think it should be a 2-week deadline ahead of the election.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:54 PM
Apr 2016

This would keep outsiders from any party from seeing their own contest as settled and then deciding to mess with anyone else's party process instead. Maybe grant an exception for newly registered voters, but otherwise, the party's have to be able to protect their own interests, otherwise there's no point in being or having a party in the first place.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
62. 2 weeks?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:59 PM
Apr 2016

Personally I am all for same day. Lots of people, many of which may not have the means to do so because of disabilities or income, shouldn't be disenfranchised from having a say in who best represents them. Be it Hillary or Bernie.

Rhiannon12866

(205,467 posts)
91. In New York, for voters who were already registered, the deadline was last year.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:29 PM
Apr 2016

Only those who had never voted before were allowed to register for a party by the March 25th deadline.

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
36. Sean Hannity loves this type of map
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:30 PM
Apr 2016

The ones that are deep red with tiny pockets of blue. Regardless of one's political sentiment, it is important to understand that widely dispersed cows and sheep in these areas do not get to vote, even though they tend to outnumber people.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
48. However wouldn't it stand to reason
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:41 PM
Apr 2016

that in a small pond where only 1.3 million voted, isn't really a true reflection of what America wants?
I think we both know what would have happened if NY's primaries were open

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
40. It's interesting, isn't it
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:34 PM
Apr 2016

That Bernie tends to win in more conservative areas, despite being further left than Hillary. If you can point to ANY reason for that to be so other than guns and sexism, I'd be all ears.

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
46. lol more "sexism!" claims
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:40 PM
Apr 2016

As far as guns, you may want to examine Hillary who has the nickname Annie Oakley and who painted Obama in 2008 as being "too liberal" on guns.

Camp weathervane, when in doubt, change positions quickly and try to fool everybody.

griffi94

(3,733 posts)
78. I don't know about the county by county break downs
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:17 PM
Apr 2016

But in the deep red sparsely populated conservative states.
Places like Utah and Wyoming there aren't a lot of liberals. The liberals
that are there tend to be clustered around colleges and they tend to be very progressive.

The opposite ends of the spectrum with nothing much in the middle.

RandySF

(58,897 posts)
41. Let's do some math.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:36 PM
Apr 2016

Counties A and B had a total of 100 votes with Candidate A winning 70 votes. County C had 3,000 votes cast with Candidate B winning 2,000. Which candidate won the most votes overall?

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
47. Same point right wingers raised about Obamas 2 election victories..
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:40 PM
Apr 2016

Real estate ain't votes or delegates....ain't then and it's not now....

 

anigbrowl

(13,889 posts)
69. Land doesn't vote. Why am I having to point this out on DU?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:08 PM
Apr 2016

How are you any different from GOPers pointing to the fact that Romney won in more thinly populated states?

beaglelover

(3,486 posts)
79. Oh Please! St Bernard got absolutely schlonged by Hillary yesterday!! Who cares how many low
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:21 PM
Apr 2016

population counties in NY St Bernard won yesterday. Doesn't prove anything.

LiberalFighter

(50,943 posts)
83. There is no food for thought about this.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:24 PM
Apr 2016

Unless those counties all had a proportionate number of people in each county.

tymorial

(3,433 posts)
84. Can we attempt consistency?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:32 PM
Apr 2016

This is an awful lot like a certain argument used by Republicans after every general election when the United States map is a sea of red with pockets of blue where high population centers are located. Republicans use this argument as damage control. They use it to lessen the victory of the Democrat candidate.

I have supported Sanders because his ideology is closer to my own but we ought to refrain from adopting intellectual dishonesty as a means to defend our candidate.

Come November when the map is a sea of red once again I expect to hear the same arguments from conservatives. So too will I expect to see condemnation and ridicule from democrats. Land mass is meaningless. Are we to make a big deal because a majority of counties went for Trump or Cruz?

JSup

(740 posts)
87. I wish...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:37 PM
Apr 2016

...there was a party for people like us, but I don't think the "Intellectual Honesty Party" would make it very far with voters.

JSup

(740 posts)
86. Yes, but...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:35 PM
Apr 2016

...Republicans (and I'm not comparing them) say much the same thing with maps like this; to which we usually respond with a cartogram and then it gets even more ridiculous with map shapes after that.

From 2012:





wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
92. Oh no, you didn't!
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 11:53 PM
Apr 2016


#berniemath just kills me

Food for though? Maybe for zombies and three year olds!
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