2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSanders wins majority of NY counties despite Clinton victory
Hmmmm..........interesting and food for thought.
Renew Deal
(81,861 posts)global1
(25,252 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)These bastions of wealth and privilege!
Watching the Sandersites desperate flailing in the face of this ass-kicking is truly delicious!
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)I can't wait to tell her she's rolling in dough.
rock
(13,218 posts)That BSers don't care about facts of truth?
La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)Freddie Stubbs
(29,853 posts)Bernie Sanders couldn't even win his childhood block.
The Brooklyn native lost by a 20-point margin in his home borough to Hillary Clinton in Tuesday's Democratic primary, falling some 60,000 votes short in Kings County despite his local roots and weeks of canvassing, rallies and a debate at the Brooklyn Navy Yard.
Sanders, who grew up along the 1500 block of E. 26th St., lost his old Midwood neighborhood, 56-38.
more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/brooklyn/bernie-sanders-lost-childhood-block-new-york-primary-article-1.2608396
pinebox
(5,761 posts)RandySF
(58,897 posts)The South Brox and Harkem are swimming in caviar.
Zambero
(8,964 posts)So the other 99% decided the outcome. So what is the point, other than an attempt to rely on false equivalency?.
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)I hear they have parties and dancing and sex in the city too. Filth!
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)oh the humanity!
Zambero
(8,964 posts)And 1% of the electorate manages to rack up nearly 60% of the votes, as the fundamental laws of decency (and mathematics) are laid to waste by the Clinton Big Apple juggernaut.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)... I don't think Sanders is a details kinda guy
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Colorado is now a ghost town? Someone may want to tell United and Southwest who have hubs here.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)Whereas there's something 5.5 million in NYC. So yeah, the city with >50 times as many people is in fact more important than the one with 100k.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)and crow about winning all those empty spaces!
RandySF
(58,897 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)Or at least the counts from the cities claim she won. Everyone knows it is easier to machine the counts in the cities being as the more numbers there are the more can be shaved.
obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)She won 21 CDs to his 6 CDs.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)I doubt H can even swipe clean a computer much less get one to count her votes. But the crooks as represented by the PTB sure as fuck can and do.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)You're parroting the GOP in the fall when they caterwaul over all the redness of the voting map, piney.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)which is where we vote.
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)whereas Clinton counties vote for democrats
radical noodle
(8,003 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)They're always able to find the corn kernels in the pile of shit.
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)Onlooker
(5,636 posts)For those of you county enthusiasts, the fact is that Trump got more votes than Hillary Bernie in over 30 counties. Is that supposed to mean something?
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)She won 21 of 27 congressional districts. That's how we measure such things.
riversedge
(70,242 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)Kind of like....that whole FBI thing, right?
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)Jitter65
(3,089 posts)And it is not like she didn't get any votes from those areas. Bernie just got more.
fried eggs
(910 posts)Or has he flip flopped on that idea? Do they count now?
Renew Deal
(81,861 posts)A RW enclave
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Thanks.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)desmiller
(747 posts)Naughty list you go..... gee whiz....
He didn't win the major population center of the state. In fact, he got crushed there. Her coalition is much more diverse and broad-based than his.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)You need to look at the larger picture.
Zambero
(8,964 posts)That is his designation in the U.S. Senate, and much of his base of support as well. But as we speak he is running on the Democratic ticket. Trump gets much support from indies but he still managed a decisive win on the GOP side. That old saying about wanting one's cake and eating it too comes to mind.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)that a certain someone from a certain party has reached out to Bernie, right?
You'd better hope he doesn't do that because we know how the GE numbers shape up
Zynx
(21,328 posts)That's the end of it.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)To say anything else is not living in reality.
Start of the primaries Bernie had 3% name recognition vs the most famous woman in the world.
Think about that.
But he isn't doing well is he?
In a GE Hillary will get trounced IF she is the nominee. You can say what you want but there's a disconnect there on your behalf because the fact is most of America can't stand Hillary and sees her as unfavorable and untrustworthy.
It is what it is.
Zynx
(21,328 posts)She crushes him by huge margins. Even GA and NC look like they're in play.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)What I do see is a contested convention with Paul Ryan getting the nod.
Zynx
(21,328 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)because you may see more than 1 indy candidate.
What a show that would be.....
dlwickham
(3,316 posts)then they should have registered as Democrats
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)Think population instead of land mass (And Hillary won Erie, so your graphic isn't even correct.)
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Are you saying The Hill is wrong?
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)Home of Buffalo went Clinton. So yes, the graphic is wrong.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)It show Erie County (Buffalo) as Sanders. Clinton won Erie County. It shows Nassau County with no votes in. Clinton won it 2-1.
The graphic itself shows only 70% of precincts reporting. So yes, it is inaccurate relative to final results.
MadBadger
(24,089 posts)So what?
4ricksren
(72 posts)the only reason bernie lost the south so badly, is because people barely had heard of him
all the states listed above are under investigation for electoral disenfranchisement
bernie should rightfully be ahead, or at least tied in delegates and popular vote
mythology
(9,527 posts)Is it that hard to admit that Sanders is losing? Also if you want to talk about unaudited contests, caucuses are really bad for that and Sanders wins most of those.
IamMab
(1,359 posts)votes and delegates.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)where only a select few can vote in.
Don't forget that.
IamMab
(1,359 posts)Anyone can do that, if they choose.
I can't tell if you just don't want to understand or just don't care to because it undermines your argument.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)No, not really.
I understand that in some states people had to switch their registration long before the primaries ever started.
Are you against people switching on the same day?
IamMab
(1,359 posts)This would keep outsiders from any party from seeing their own contest as settled and then deciding to mess with anyone else's party process instead. Maybe grant an exception for newly registered voters, but otherwise, the party's have to be able to protect their own interests, otherwise there's no point in being or having a party in the first place.
Personally I am all for same day. Lots of people, many of which may not have the means to do so because of disabilities or income, shouldn't be disenfranchised from having a say in who best represents them. Be it Hillary or Bernie.
Rhiannon12866
(205,467 posts)Only those who had never voted before were allowed to register for a party by the March 25th deadline.
Zambero
(8,964 posts)The ones that are deep red with tiny pockets of blue. Regardless of one's political sentiment, it is important to understand that widely dispersed cows and sheep in these areas do not get to vote, even though they tend to outnumber people.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)that in a small pond where only 1.3 million voted, isn't really a true reflection of what America wants?
I think we both know what would have happened if NY's primaries were open
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)That Bernie tends to win in more conservative areas, despite being further left than Hillary. If you can point to ANY reason for that to be so other than guns and sexism, I'd be all ears.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)As far as guns, you may want to examine Hillary who has the nickname Annie Oakley and who painted Obama in 2008 as being "too liberal" on guns.
Camp weathervane, when in doubt, change positions quickly and try to fool everybody.
griffi94
(3,733 posts)But in the deep red sparsely populated conservative states.
Places like Utah and Wyoming there aren't a lot of liberals. The liberals
that are there tend to be clustered around colleges and they tend to be very progressive.
The opposite ends of the spectrum with nothing much in the middle.
RandySF
(58,897 posts)Counties A and B had a total of 100 votes with Candidate A winning 70 votes. County C had 3,000 votes cast with Candidate B winning 2,000. Which candidate won the most votes overall?
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)Real estate ain't votes or delegates....ain't then and it's not now....
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)pinebox
(5,761 posts)riversedge
(70,242 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)How are you any different from GOPers pointing to the fact that Romney won in more thinly populated states?
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)beaglelover
(3,486 posts)population counties in NY St Bernard won yesterday. Doesn't prove anything.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Hillary wins NYC.
I can live with that!
LiberalFighter
(50,943 posts)Unless those counties all had a proportionate number of people in each county.
tymorial
(3,433 posts)This is an awful lot like a certain argument used by Republicans after every general election when the United States map is a sea of red with pockets of blue where high population centers are located. Republicans use this argument as damage control. They use it to lessen the victory of the Democrat candidate.
I have supported Sanders because his ideology is closer to my own but we ought to refrain from adopting intellectual dishonesty as a means to defend our candidate.
Come November when the map is a sea of red once again I expect to hear the same arguments from conservatives. So too will I expect to see condemnation and ridicule from democrats. Land mass is meaningless. Are we to make a big deal because a majority of counties went for Trump or Cruz?
...there was a party for people like us, but I don't think the "Intellectual Honesty Party" would make it very far with voters.
JSup
(740 posts)...Republicans (and I'm not comparing them) say much the same thing with maps like this; to which we usually respond with a cartogram and then it gets even more ridiculous with map shapes after that.
From 2012:
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)#berniemath just kills me
Food for though? Maybe for zombies and three year olds!