2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumClintonites are in a deep state of denial.
They still believe that Clinton will unite the party. They think that eventually we will all support her out of fear. They are going to be incredibly shocked when we don't.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)livetohike
(22,145 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)is over the top. You may want to check yourself. The FBI will be concluding their investigation very soon. According to the Los Angeles Times, the FBI was set to interview Clintons aids in April and Clinton soon after.
I would imagine that we will have firm answers sometime in May.
Did you ever think that you might guys might be the ones enduring some seismic grief, at that point? It's possible that our entire party will be upended, as well as this election.
Grief, Kubler-Ross jokes and...this guy----> may take on a whole different meaning at that point.
Bluerome
(129 posts)emsimon33
(3,128 posts)Bluerome
(129 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)less stupid if you had only managed to spell her name correctly.
It's Kübler-Ross.
You're welcome.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Your command of keyboard skills are SO IMPRESSIVE!
LOLZ.
bvf
(6,604 posts)The poster's misspelling of a proper name, cited in a futile attempt to look intelligent, just makes it even more so.
I hope this distinction isn't too subtle for you--you obviously missed it the first time.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Can you define "we" as you are using it.
It's clear "we" does not mean Sanders supporters. That would be foolish to make as a statement. Who are these "we" you are talking about.
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)It will be a blood bath.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)rickford66
(5,524 posts)Not more of the same. We don't want to vote against the Republican candidate. We want to vote for the Democratic candidate who really will represent "US". Many of the "We" may sit this one out.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)leeroysphitz
(10,462 posts)Godhumor
(6,437 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)My family will be fine if the Repukes take over (already looking into real estate in Vancouver just in case). You, probably not so much.
Elitist much?
Arneoker
(375 posts)And my kids will have to live with the choices that we, and "you," make. But I can't stop anyone from exercising their right to indulge themselves, if that is what is important to you! As many Bernie supporters constantly lecture us, it's your vote!
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Jennylynn
(696 posts)renate
(13,776 posts)I'm not sure what your point is.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)If Bernie people refuse to vote for Hillary. However, you will only be hurting yourselves if you carry through with your threats.
Andy823
(11,495 posts)Many of the idiots that threaten the end of the world if Bernie does not win, or who constantly post how they will NEVER vote for Hillary, never voted for a Democrat in their entire life! We have a hell of a lot of right wing trolls here, Ron Paul supporters, Green party members, all kinds of posters who are not even who they claim to be. When posters continue to push their right wing talking points, most of them are pretty obvious, it's pretty much a safe bet that they are here to divide the boards and try and convince anyone gullible enough to NOT vote for the nominee if it's not Bernie. I will admit there are some new posters on the Hillary side who cause problems also.
We have had some long time trolls that finally got banned, but its like a hundred more come in every day to take their place. This board, DU-P has become a breading ground for their sick comments, and their ability to game the jury system to get rid of those they don't like, and to keep some of the trashiest thread I have ever seen from hidden. Any one with half a mind will vote for the nominee no matter which one it is.
I will be glad when the trolls leave and hide under their bridges till the next election.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)It will be awesome when we can concentrate on defeating Repukes and not eat our own anymore.
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MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)FDR is one of my heroes. If TR refers to Teddy Roosevelt, he's not one of my heroes for a number of reasons. I have been a liberal Democrat my entire life. Hung out with some real bad ass TRUE revolutionaries, like Black Panthers and SDS, in high school and college. Yes, I have calmed down a lot since then, and, along with my husband secured a nice nest egg, but don't you ever dare try to pigeon hole me. Thank you in advance.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)At 66 years old, and a lifelong Democrat whose always voted for Dems, is not a "right wing troll". And if you think I am alone you, Andy, are way the fuck off your rocker. If it makes you feel better to think those of us who will support Bernie through the GE, then be my guest. But live and learn. We are real and we are not going anywhere.
If Hillary is the nominee and gets to the GE, good for you. But give up on your crazy right wing theory.
rickford66
(5,524 posts)Squinch
(50,955 posts)the thought of you rendering yourself politically irrelevant in this election. You're not going to find it. It isn't there.
It would have been nice to have you with us, but we will do just fine without you. So don't vote for her if you don't want to vote for her. But for God's sake, stop acting like we should all go into a tizzy about it. It really doesn't matter. You've made your choice, now move on.
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rickford66
(5,524 posts)Squinch
(50,955 posts)rickford66
(5,524 posts)Squinch
(50,955 posts)rickford66
(5,524 posts)The rest of us want much more and you don't understand. So, off with you. Go, Scoot.
Squinch
(50,955 posts)rickford66
(5,524 posts)Not all of us are young people looking for free stuff. Now. Get off our lawn.
Squinch
(50,955 posts)rickford66
(5,524 posts)You can cook it or mix it any way and it's still liver! I go for a Ben and Jerry's thank you.
demosincebirth
(12,540 posts)DU, should not be able to post on this site.
leeroysphitz
(10,462 posts)demosincebirth
(12,540 posts)leeroysphitz
(10,462 posts)until then
demosincebirth
(12,540 posts)swallow.
nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)leeroysphitz
(10,462 posts)monolithic love All democrats have for Clinton. ;P
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)Hillary may support a woman's right to choose but she will dismantle the safety net, have us in perpetual war, support "trade" agreements that will beggar the middle class and put even more people into poverty and prisons. And she will cry "foul" and "misogynists" any time we try to pull her at least to the middle.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)With Cruz et al makes you look foolish
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)athena
(4,187 posts)They don't seem to realize that they, too, live in this country and will be just as hurt by a Republican presidency as we will be.
bjo59
(1,166 posts)demmiblue
(36,865 posts)Lazy Daisy
(928 posts)If Republicans win and you move to Vancouver you will lose your home. Not home as in a house, but home as in where your memories take you, where your family ties are, where most people feel safe and secure. And it's not like you can just up and become a citizen of another country, so you'll still be bound by US laws as a US citizen. You've lost your home and you still have all the craptacular legal restrictions.
Now, being you have the financial ability to leave the country if you so choose, supporting Hillary is much more ideological than why most people support Bernie. Being financially stable allows you the romance of "The first female President" and hide behind that
"most qualified" mantra. There is enormous evidence Hillary Clinton is a very bad choice, but those who can afford to strategize their exit plan should their choice blow up in the countries face don't care to look at what a Clinton Presidency would mean for the rest of us.
What Hillary supporters call "artful smears" the rest of us call facts and reality.
As for me and mine... we'll be just fine. The Bush Presidency took everything away, the Obama Presidency (although I still support him) hasn't done much to take the blockades away for us to get back what we lost. I've gotten very good at scratching out a meager life and have even found some things about myself to like even more. I have a loving support system and will never go homeless or hungry. After that I don't have anything else to lose.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)(esp. the self-knowledge & loving support system ).
annavictorious
(934 posts)with Hillary in 2008 and Obama now. You are right about Bush, but remember who was at least partially responsible for his election. Gore was vilified as not being progressive enough by both the media and their preferred Democrat, Bill Bradley. And that righteousness opened the door for Nader.
Gore was stiff, he wasn't authentic, he wasn't truthful, he was a throwback, he wasn't pure enough. Sound familiar? So instead of an environmentalist activist, future Nobel Peace Prize laureate as president, we got W.
Be careful about weaponizing your vote. The collateral damage can be devastating.
Lazy Daisy
(928 posts)No. Gore didn't get elected because he didn't earn the vote.
My vote is not a weapon, it's earned. Don't blame people for not voting for an unattractive candidate. Maybe Democrats should have put up a candidate that could earn more votes instead of someone who it was thought was his turn. Sound familiar?
The party should be careful about putting up candidates it perceives to be their turn. The collateral damage is very devastating.
seekthetruth
(504 posts).....thanks Democratic Party for giving us Donald Trump. Do you think we progressives support a war candidate?
Not playing this game any longer. I'll vote for who I damn well please. I'm an American, and I'll vote for the person who has courage and decency to stand up to these oligarchs. Your candidate does not, hence my choice for Sanders.
hereforthevoting
(241 posts)Democrats should have put up a candidate that could earn more votes instead of someone who it was thought was her* turn
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Not a dimes worth of difference? Really?
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)It's also incredibly undemocratic. If someone doesn't believe in the candidate we're running, then that's on us, not them.
leeroysphitz
(10,462 posts)Look who's talking lol
You don't seem to want a candidate. You're looking for a steamroller.
It doesn't work that way.
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)Canada is not easy. They do not let you just live there.
northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)Because the depths of Irony from a person that is talking about leaving the US to get away from a Republican win by migrating to a country with lead by the very liberal Trudeau who is the son of the late Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau, a former socialist leader and also a country with universal healthcare???? Wow you get three Alanis Morissettes...
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polly7
(20,582 posts)rights that require collective empathy and compassion.
You might not make a very good fit.
person is a perfect example that the Dem party is no longer the party of FDR, but the party of a bunch of rich intellectual elitists. No longer real Democrats but Clinton/Reagan Republicans who are only in the Dem party bcuz the dem party agreed to sell out the middle class and working class while Clinton was President.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)We went through 8 years of hell under bush, and I do not relish enduring that again. Think about it.
coyote
(1,561 posts)I´ve got mine, fuck everyone else. You never were a Democrat, were you.
MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)some miracle Bernie wins (ie NOT THAT I WISH THIS but Hillary dies before the convention or is indicted etc)
Nedsdag
(2,437 posts)I'll be fine as well, which is why I'm leaving the presidential slate blank in November.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)boston bean
(36,221 posts)with who you will vote for.
Orsino
(37,428 posts)Happyhippychick
(8,379 posts)Or do you see a bigger picture?
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)...progressivism.
Thanks in advance.
Happyhippychick
(8,379 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)...is going to be treated if we dare to begin considering whether or not to reconsider our attitude towards Hillary and her supporters?
Also, I have NEVER, EVER expressed so much as any interest in what tRump has to say so why the fuck would I start now? If you think it would "be special" to ask tRump about his agenda, then you do it.
So, this is how you're going to build a bridge to Bernie supporters? Jesus H Christ!
Happyhippychick
(8,379 posts)Oh my, that is one inflated sense of entitlement you've got there.
You need to do your own homework and answer your own questions. Nobody owes you a thing.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Happyhippychick
(8,379 posts)self righteous anger (and cursing which is distasteful) then maybe I would. But you are just angry and looking for a punching bag.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511792802#post13
Please predict or summarize five ways President Clinton will reward progressives and progressivism.
Thanks in advance.
Please point out the 1) insincerity, 2) the self-righteous anger, and 3) the cursing.
I'll wait right here...
ETA: Here was YOUR response to my post:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1792943
"You can ask President Trump his agenda, that might be special."
Any of the items you list came AFTER this shitty post.
dsc
(52,162 posts)will save abortion rights, prevent gay rights from being undermined by religious freedom exemptions, permit the President to combat greenhouse gasses, save the ACA, and likely overturn Citizens United.
She will appoint regulators who will actually enforce environmental regulations, financial regulations, labor friendly regulations, and so on.
to clarify if we lose this election no way Garland gets approved, if we win he likely will be.
Lazy Daisy
(928 posts)to vote for anybody
leeroysphitz
(10,462 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Kittycat
(10,493 posts)as an effort to plunder resources of another country with their rich friends.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)Kittycat
(10,493 posts)Libya didn't work out so well though, did it?
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)...Bill, and the Oligrachy made a buck, that's a-ok!
reddread
(6,896 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)After a few drinks I slip into talking about myself in the third person.
Keep your sense of humor.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)OTOH Immanuel Kant said if you have qualms about pursuing a particular cause of action you should ask yourself how you would feel if your course of action was made into a universal law.
You are right. If everybody made a self referential thread on this board at the same time this board would be a mess.
leeroysphitz
(10,462 posts)CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)For a handful here, who I don't think speak at all for those demographics, you'd think they are the very base of the party, exclusive of so may others like:
Women who aren't members of either group,
Union workers who aren't members of either group,
Students who aren't members of either group,
Immigrants who aren't members of either group,
Minimum wage workers who aren't members of either group,
We're all in this together regardless of "group membership", and Clinton does NOT have our backes!
all american girl
(1,788 posts)And that means you also...come on man
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)Not anyone else.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)And while that outlook worked well for Democrats in the 90's, we now know that people will get their hair done, do their laundry, watch TV instead.
She believes that she can afford to dismiss dissenters. Fine with me. Financially, I will do better if Sanders loses. Which is NOT why I supported him.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)strategery blunder
(4,225 posts)Hillary will be lucky to break 45% in a GE
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)leeroysphitz
(10,462 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)This isn't just one state.
The denial runs deep grasshopper.
strategery blunder
(4,225 posts)She can't win independents, as has been proven over and over again in states with open caucuses/primaries, and Rs will crawl over broken glass to vote against her.
Neither independents nor Rs were allowed to vote for Bernie yesterday. Yes I know the rules provided for a closed primary, but the general election ain't like that. Not at all.
Like it or not, she will need the indies in the general. If Hillary supporters keep telling independent voters that their support is not needed, the primary will represent Hillary's ceiling of support. And that, I hope we can all agree, would be a disaster.
SFnomad
(3,473 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)They are going to support he because 1) she's the best candidate and 2) they don't want President Donald Trump.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)At some point, the tent will become so small that corporations will turn off the spigot. Then they'll be standing around wondering where everybody went.
all american girl
(1,788 posts)She's won, by higher percentages:
-older people...people over 35 or 40 I think
-AA women
-AA men
-white women
-Hispanic women
I'm not sure about Hispanic men, though.
That's kinda a big tent...and the backbone of the Democratic party
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)If the Dem Party only cares about rich old people, then it will get much smaller when they start dying.
all american girl
(1,788 posts)I don't think I'm old, just turned 50...redefining old
I don't think we are rich...we aren't the 1%, by any means
But the democratic party is not just young people, it's people of all stripes, even the ones you think are going to just die off.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)They are sick and tired of war, want environmental issues addressed, and are pretty much fucked economically...home ownership is out of the question, paying off college loans iffy, and not good prospects job-wise in this era of offshoring jobs and stagnant wages. They don't give a shit how well Wall St is doing, as they'll never own stocks in their life. All they can hope for in retirement is that the Third Way doesn't go bi-partisan with GOP and privatize Social Security. The Dem Party establishment offers little for them. They would remain Dems in support of Sanders direction for the Party. 2/3 of Independants support Sanders. Give those voters a reason to be Democrats, and the Democratic Party will out-number Republicans by a 2:1 margin, and win large numbers of elected offices.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)(my experience is similar over here).
But all american girl can only speak for, she says, and care about, probably, herself and her family. Thus, Clinton.
Agony
(2,605 posts)how many more times can i say that?
cheers anyway, right?
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)They have a yuuuuuge man cave.
seekthetruth
(504 posts)Don't force me to abandon my allegiance to support any efforts to get us off of fossil fuels. I prefer not to support a candidate who chooses to side with companies that implement such destructive practices.
It's a sad day when "Progressives" choose politics as usual vs. fighting to keep our water, air, and environment healthy for future generations.
Just something that Clinton supporters do not get or care about. I'm tired of people saying that we can't move away from fossil fuels now when the earth so badly needs us to!
annavictorious
(934 posts)to Nader over Gore in 2000 because Gore was a stiff, inauthentic liar who was part of the establishment. When you weaponize your vote, you reap what you sow.
seekthetruth
(504 posts)Fallacious. What does Gore have anything to do with the Supreme Court decision, and the current state of affairs? Did Gore vote for the Iraq war? Did Gore promote the continuation of fracking, something that releases, what, 60% more CO2 into the atmosphere? Someone whose foundation might be under investigation for possible connection with the Panama Papers?
Id take Gore over Clinton anyday friend.
Apples and oranges.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Look.... if you're determined to take your toys and go home, just rip the band-aid off and do it. I will not vote for Bernie because of the dumb-ass "Bernie or Bust" threat.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I'm not in the habit of capitulating to threats.
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Because otherwise you get Trump or Cruz" just isn't going to work......
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)why the cruz or trump bullshit doesn't fly
peacebird
(14,195 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Or ...
... the all-purpose generic one-size-fits-all so-angry-I-forgot-what-I-was-mad-about temper-tantrum.
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)without electing a president that may be just as bad?
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)If you think Clinton and others aren't paying keen attention to the issues Sanders is raising and how they might affect future election cycles, then I disagree with you, in fact I think Bernie has overall done a good job of invigorating the left and pulling Hillary in that direction. But I can't take you seriously when you imply that HRC is somehow the worst politician ever to run for office and that one of the republican opponents 'may' be just as bad. That's a giant false equivalence and if you can't see that then you're not living the real world any more, but in some ideological fantasy world.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)If you can interpolate that from what I actually posted, then you are the one that is living in "some ideological fantasy world".
I do however stand by my statement that one (or more) of the republican opponents may be just as bad. However, the republicans may have a free for all at their convention so I suppose it's conceivable that they may nominate somebody that isn't as bad.
And by the way, don't feel bad about not taking me seriously. The feeling, as you may have guessed, is mutual.
leeroysphitz
(10,462 posts)Sanders and jump his train. Clinton doesn't care about futur election Cycles. Clinton cares about getting elected.
I almost shit when Clinton said her supporters were all small donors like Sanders. lol Who the f@ck dies she think she's fooling? Oh and all of a sudden the shameless corporatist is for a hike in the minimum wage, in an election year. Ooh what a bold stance.
And Sanders' decency stopped him from calling Clinton out on her vote for the Bankrupcy bill when she asked him to cite an example of how she is influenced by her 1 percent wallstreet buddies but we all remember.
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)I'm quite well aware that there's a faction on the left wing of the Democratic party that is more concerned with the purity of their socialist ideology than with practical matters. I say that not because their goals are unworthy but because they consistently show little interest in making partial or slow progress towards their goals, but demand total victory in as short a time as possible, and show no interest in learning anything that might cause them to change their opinion on, well, anything.
I don't rate politicians on the nobility of their goals. I rate them on the probability that they're going to advance progress towards those goals. If I just wanted someone with noble goals I'd write in former Miss World contestants, who virtually all say they want to establish world peace and abolish suffering.
But the reality is that anyone who tells you to focus on how worthy their goals are and not worry too much about how we get there is essentially making a religious argument and I don't buy those from politicians, any more than I buy the idea that fundamentalist church people are actually going to prevent my soul from ending up on some infernal barbeque as long as I turn up every week and drop money on the collection plate.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Go ahead and vote for certain catastrophe.
The rest of us have to live with ourselves.
Madame President's legacy will be presiding over the entire upheaval of our way of life (well, except for her 1% friends of course). She will be globally despised for her "incrementalism" instead of taking bold leadership on this from Day 1.
You and the other Hillary supporters own that. I for one will be able to go forward with a clear conscience.
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)I've been promoting action on climate change for 25 years and I think Hillary's gradualist approach will be much more effective than Bernie's simplistic but impractical position. Forgive me if I don't take your dramatic predictions of doom too seriously, because I have no reason to think you possess special insight into the future.
Or don't, I don't really care what you think about me. I don't take people seriously when they argue as if Hillary Clinton was worse than the GOP alternative. The reality I'm looking at is that the President's powers are really quite limited and without a specific plan on how to work through agencies and Congress not much will be achieved. Bernie is great at laying out big goals but I have little confidence in his ability to execute them.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)I will have a clear conscience in 4-5 years as severe weather patterns and environmental catastrophes begin to escalate.
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)I don't really give a shit about your conscience seeing as how I have been warning people about this issue in particular and environmental issues in general for decades now. But you're not actually making any proposals about what to do or making any effort to address the obstacles that lie in the way of those proposals, you're just posturing to feel good about yourself. Enjoy.
riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Bernie actually has solid proposals, much more ambitious than Hillarys. He's vowed to make climate change a top priority. Hillarys vowed to meet with war criminal Netanyahu and offer US for whatever Israel wants, er, needs (war with Iran).
He's also against fracking, the TPP, endless wars which also put enormous stress on the environment etc.
I'm not posturing. Bernies not posturing. The experts on this aren't posturing.
Go ahead and believe we have all the time in the world to address climate change.
You're wrong but hey, it won't be me telling you I told you so...it will be mother nature.
Good luck trying to tell her different.
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)since, say, Carter's term.
Have such (traditional) goals been abandoned? And where indeed are the Clintons' and their cohort's urgent goals as regards climate change and its socially-damning consequences?
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)Try her website if you are interested in her climate change plan. I'm not here to give you a sales pitch.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)that they aren't really needed.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)leeroysphitz
(10,462 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)The "Bernie or Bust" crowd is a lot less smaller than you think it is.
TMontoya
(369 posts)We don't need your support.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)You're not that important.
leeroysphitz
(10,462 posts)YouDig
(2,280 posts)unifying the party, by making the case about how important keeping the White House is. I'm optimistic that we will come together in the end.
MineralMan
(146,317 posts)But please don't overestimate the number of people who agree with you.
xloadiex
(628 posts)Citibank, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, JPMorgan Chase, etc, etc,etc on their win in NY yesterday.
Zira
(1,054 posts)Squinch
(50,955 posts)The rest of us will be just fine without you.
Ta ta.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)baldguy
(36,649 posts)They were correctly relegated to the slimy rocks they crawled out from under.
Is this a "new" voting block for Sanders to try to woo?
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)Whoa, that's a bit presumptuous, don't you think?
bjo59
(1,166 posts)the cold, hard fact right in front of them, up real Close and personal where they can be sure to see it. Human beings have a very marked capacity to replace actual reality with their own self or group manufactured fantasies. I'll leave them to their dreamland and continue supporting the only candidate who represents the slightest possibility of altering the highly destructive course this country is rocketing down without a second thought. And we all, even his enemies, know who that candidate is.
annavictorious
(934 posts)because the problem isn't a party problem, but there will be problems with hard-core Sanders partisans. I was a very strong Hillary supporter in 2008, so I feel their pain. Hopefully many will be able to vote D, but I'm sure some won't. Do the right thing, whatever you think it is.
Hillary supporters need to remember 2008 and be compassionate.
jmg257
(11,996 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I can't be bothered with people who decide to hold their breath out of pique.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)is simply coming off as childish.
eastwestdem
(1,220 posts)I certainly can't speak for anyone else, but the alternative seems like I would be shooting myself in the foot.
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)apcalc
(4,465 posts)OhZone
(3,212 posts)more Bernie fans say they will support Hillary in 2016 than Hillary supporters said would support Obama in 2008.
Oh well.
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)and Obama disbanded the very grassroots that got him elected--the 50-state strategy of the now turn coat and sell out, Howard Dean.
Hillary has a much meaner and more entitled spirit and the Clintons take names and do not forget or forgive. If we think we got shafted by Obama, just wait to see what will happen under a Clinton presidency: She will dismantle the entire safety net, at least what is left after what her husband did. We will be in perpetual war. Wall Street will become even more of a rigged casino, but now playing with our Social Security. It will be a disaster! More "trade" giveaways to corporations, beggaring the middle class and pushing even more people into poverty and prisons. Plus, the Republican base hates her even more than they hate Obama, so there will be grid-lock and the grassroots who would usually be calling representatives and rallying will have left the Party and will be gearing up for 2020 and another chance to try and save the country.
leeroysphitz
(10,462 posts)Mike Nelson
(9,959 posts)...I won't be shocked. I've seen a lot of the posts, right here on DU. A group of Bernie supporters will never support Hillary . It's been obvious for some time.
nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)And who cares? If they are never going to vote for Hillary, it's very likely they never were going to vote for her either. Why should any of us nbe upset about cookies mother was never going to give us?
They're hoping to blackmail us into supporting Bernie since their threat, like the PUMAs of 2008, is that theirs is the only candidate they're consider and without them we can't win so pick their choice.
Only problem is, Hillary will win without them. Nearly every Republican I know is talking about voting for the Dem because they hate Trump so bad. Hillary's going to win no matter if these thinly veiled Green Party voters don't come out for her. She won't need them. Mark my words. It won't matter. The bulk of the true Democrat Bernie supporters will come around just as nearly every Hillary person would come around for Bernie and as most Hillary people came around for Obama after basically performing the same song and dance in 2008 that Bernie people are now. It fell flat eight years ago and it falls flat now.
I question a lot of these alleged lifelong democrats on here. Is it me or are half them "66 years old" or have voted for "forty years." I'm not saying none are real but it does rather seem as though many of these diehard Bernie fans have similarly templated stories.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)Otherwise, if Hillary got 99% of the Democratic vote, you'd claim she didn't unite the party because 100% of Dems didn't vote for her.
randome
(34,845 posts)If you're just going to give up and go home...go.
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pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)It hits at the heart of it. . . . Really WHAT do you support?
leeroysphitz
(10,462 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)exhibit A: Clnton's campaign and its strategy.
leeroysphitz
(10,462 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)RiverLover
(7,830 posts)No More.
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)I do not in fact care if you support the democratic candidate or stay home or write in Bernie or vote for Trump.
Working class, women, minority, and older voters who actually show up will be there for our first woman president.
The denial is all on you end.
MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)bloc in 2016.
Now you'll have to wait for 2020 or 2024 to count on our support.
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)I pissed on an entire generation.
Come out and vote sometime if you want me to take you seriously. Millennials have proved their 6% of the electorate is not to be counted on over and over again. I do not know why your generation doesn't vote but given your naive idealism and lack of sense of political reality (or the suggestion that there are Americans who don't agree with you and they are no less American for that) I'm sort of glad this time.
Could have used a few of you in 2010 and 2014. But I guess there were no idealistic white saviors promising you a chicken in every free college tuition bill back then.
MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)t time I'm going to sit it out.
Millennials would have turned out in record numbers for BS.
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)You may have voted, but you don't represent "millennials," who most definitely did not vote in high numbers when heir votes could have turned the tide of history for progressives in the last two midterms.
Bernie is discovering right now how reliable young voters can be, even when they are all excited and have thrills running up their legs at his pie in the sky promises.
Where were they in NY? You may vote, but your comrades in revolution apparently can't muster or get their shit together. And then you blame others for their apathy and laziness and distraction.
The numbers don't lie.
athena
(4,187 posts)You don't remember 2000, so you think you will teach the Democratic Party a lesson by not voting.
Those of us who lived through 2000 and supported Nader using the same arguments Bernie supporters are using today saw that Bush winning did not move the Democratic Party to the left; it did the opposite.
MillennialDem
(2,367 posts)fuck it, don't let the facts stop you.
That said I will enjoy not voting (game theory says at the individual level, not voting in smart). Or writing in Bernie Sanders or voting for Jill Stein.
And again it ignores my point. If Bernie was on the ballot, we might get 55% turnout again this year like in 2012. And I wouldn't be surprised if 55% of millennials turned out to vote.
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)Hillary will do what she can but the decision is theirs. Vote or don't vote. But stop whining!
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)How is threatening not to vote for Hillary supposed to convince me or anyone else to support Bernie?
It has the opposite effect, rest assured.
Stuckinthebush
(10,845 posts)Anger. Sadness. Frustration.
They will vote for Hillary in the General - well, most will.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)And yet they accepted the fact keeping a conservative out of the whitehouse is way more important than pettiness...