Trump scares the hell out of me and he should for all of you. This man is running on excluding an entire group of people from the US based on their religion. Where have we seen that before? Nazi Germany?

With Ted Cruz or Hillary, Muslims will be bombed for no fault of theirs. This is worse than Trump's position. The only one who is better than Trump is Bernie. This is why he needs to be the candidate. If it comes down to Hillary vs. Trump, we will be forced to choose between denying Muslims the paperwork to migrate vs. the genocide of Muslims.

in order to save it".

made the argument that a trump presidency would make it more likely that a real progressive like warren could win in 2020, whereas a hillary presidency would keep us deteriorating imcrementally and would not motivate people as much to support a radical change in 2020. cenk also said if hillary wins its a guarantee that she will be primaried in 2020.

...we still have chance at a future with Elizabeth Warren.

there is a good reason to believe that her star will shine sooner if trump trounces hillary in the ge, which is what will happen since she can't win.

so even a trump win might bring something good. lemonade out of lemons, or something.

I wasn't able to vote for Bernie in the Primary, I'm a New Yorker and when I was 18 and registered my parents urged me to register as Independent because I was planning on working for the county after College and it's not unheard of for people to get passed up for promotion or raises based on political affiliation. As a matter of fact a story was just in the papers a few weeks ago about how two sanitation workers are suing the county because after they stopped donating to the Republican Party and relinquished their memberships they suddenly found themselves getting stuck on the back of the truck, one of the less desirable positions I would assume.

But since I don't work for the government anymore I am going to keep my party affiliation so that if Elizabeth Warren does run I'll be able to vote for her in the primary instead of whatever 3rd way candidate that they try to give us instead.

And I don't think Trump will accomplish much of anything with his Presidency. I think he'll find himself tied by so many rules and procedures that when he tries to take action, "Let's kick out these people." or "Let's start building that wall." He'll find that governing is not like running a business and by the time he works out the rules of the game, it'll be over.

would know how you are registered? that doesn't sound right.

and the sanitation workers...how does anyone know who they are donating to?

this sounds too 1984 for my taste....scary

While it's not legal for them to ask you who you support, it comes up in conversation. They look at your bumper stickers on your car, they see what your response is to certain dog whistle phrases. My Uncle is great with that stuff, he'll be having a conversation with you and he'll throw in some crazy slur about a group of people and then wait to see what the person says in response. So it's not like when you're being interviewed that they ask what your political leanings are, but when they talk about the war or police brutality they'll have a pretty good idea of where you stand. Much like how 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell worked,' I heard one service man speak on the radio about how he only 'told' after a bunch of his fellow soldiers hung him outside a building by his ankles and they told him that they would drop him unless he did 'tell.' It was the transgender serviceman who was discharged, nothing happened to the people who threatened his life. I'm sure if they killed him it would have just been chalked up to an 'honor slaying.'

And when I was going for a state job I had my future boss ask me, "Are you gay?" because I mentioned my 'partner' when I was talking about my wife. I thought to myself, "Hey, I could tell him that he's breaking the law by asking me about my sexual orientation." But then thought further, "And how quickly will he want to hire me after I tell him that." So I politely informed him that I was straight, I was just in the habit of talking about my wife as my partner. See, right there the guy probably figured out my political leanings.

Here is a link to the story about the sanitation workers: http://myinforms.com/en-us/a/28527778-hempstead-sanitation-workers-sue-saying-they-were-punished/

The story that I read is behind a paywall, so unless you subscribe to my local paper or live on Long Island, you will probably be blocked by Newsday, they're the paper that I first read the story in.

i like to think this kind of stuff no longer happens, but clearly we are not there yet.

i am always careful when talking to people, but who knows what they can glean if they are looking for it.

thanks for the article

It was saying that Obama has moved us so far to the right by capitulating to the Republican base, while lambasting the Democrats for not going along with legislation he is trying to pass that was riddled with mostly Republican ideas giving them what they want for so little.

The idea was, that if Romney were to take the Presidency, the Democrats would finally work again as a party and work against these bad ideas that they have to support since Obama himself is pushing for it.

I must admit, Obama's second half of the second term was decent as he seems to finally fight for the will of the populace.

So, please don't get me wrong, I don't quite agree with that idea either, I just know that such thoughts were bounced around during 2012.

since romney was republican lite, i have a feeling it might have backfired. trump will no doubt, galvanize progressive and might even bring some moderates on board. is it worth it to have a trump administration to force change that much faster? some think so.

things are so bad in this country right now, i don't even think the choice of president is going to matter much.

trump and bernie have pulled back the curtain hiding all the corruption. the right and the left are in rebellion.

this is way bigger than the presidency, and the revolution will continue no mattee who wins.

At the time, I was in CGCS(commongroundcommonsense), and I was not in DU.

You are right though, and it would most likely backfire. Hence, I was merely mentioning that what you said about the Young Turks thinking about Trump, is somewhat similar to that idea back then.

or something.

Well, me being a Democrat is a new thing...
I enjoyed being unaffiliated for most of my life.

Which I will return to being, no matter who wins the primaries.

Where does that leave us?

...a feat. Unfortunately, I will have to live with any such nightmare.

Don't worry about changing affiliation we'll you vote.

I almost said "we," but I haven't felt a part of the Democratic Party in many years (and am only technically one now, having flipped my registration to vote for Bernie). Whatever. The point is that for me, the party failed when it permitted the Third Way shift to the right. If Bernie's outsider attempt to reverse course fails (as appears nearly certain), then I can't see the party ever once more becoming something I can support, something progressive. A final opportunity...blown.

It almost gives me a sad.

I am looking to seeing a Democratic Underground where posters don't use Trump to denigrate Hillary Clinton.

Secretary Clinton will dispatch of Herr Drumpf with more ease and aplomb than Kid Dynamite dispatched of Marvis Frazier:

Republicans and their donors will focus on Senate and House races, and plan to primary Trump in 2020. I don't think it helps Democrats at all. And whichever party puts a focus on bringing millenials into the fold (which means addressing issues important to them), will have a big advantage for the next 25 years. It seems the Dem Party establishment is too busy collecting Wall St checks to realize that.

need to vote for the down ticket.

That man has no more chance of being president than I do. It wouldn't quite be Mondale mirror time, as there are a goof 100 or so EVs that are guaranteed R regardless, but cannot see him much exceeding that.

Perhaps that would not happen in the US in the 21st century but it seems foolish to press out luck.

When Trump's initial governance causes chaos, he will blame it on the same scapegoats - Mexicans, Muslims, Chinese, etc. - who helped him get elected. He will not change course but will push for more and higher walls and tariffs, more immigration restrictions, more tax cuts for the 'job creators', etc.

RW demagogues never admit they were wrong. Trump will just keep doubling-down and driving us further and further into a hole. That may be great for Democrats chances in 2018 and 2020 but that seems both risky and a high price to pay.

Republicans in the 1920's certainly caused a great deal of chaos, using many of the same immigration and trade policies that Trump espouses, that led to years of Democratic dominance but Trump is more of an egotistical demagogue than either Coolidge or Hoover were.

or by recommending posts promoting Donald Trump, should be banned from any website other than St0rmfr0nt.