I won't, either.

not voting for her but ours or yours (as I am a Bernie voter) for nominating her.

It makes us angry because we know what is at stake, but they either dont know or dont care.



I am still hoping to vote for Bernie, though.

I include myself in the "our" because I will do everything in my power to prevent GOP from WH.

You are missing the point and the mark... the younger people I know that have begun to participate in the political process BECAUSE of the vision of Senator Sanders see Clinton AS PART OF THE STATUS QUO PROBLEM. They are not stamping their foot, nor are they gloating. They do not owe allegiance to arcane party hierarchy or infrastructure. And unfortunately, Clinton and her surrogates HAVE DONE NOTHING to attempt to change their minds.

I see loving Bernie. I think he makes entirely unrealistic promises, but I understand how it hits that idealist bone, especially for the "young folks."

But politics happen whether or not they are "excited." the kind of destructive politics that will be advanced by Trump or Cruz will affect them, and people they love, whether or not they are excited by Clinton.

Politics are about compromise. How many races have my candidates lost over the years? Many! But I'm a Democrat first and foremost because the Republican party will be and has been disastrous for the country.

Attempting to say that both are two sides of the same coin is ludicrous. You don't always get what you want (Sanders, Nader, Kucinich, Dean, Mondale, Gore) but if you stick to the plan you get what you need (not the GOP).

Of course, these angry tirades are 90% full on frustration. It happens every cycle. The majority will support the eventual nominee because the majority are not idiots.

I might vote for a corrupt candidate to avoid a fascist but it in no way condones Hillary's rampant corruption.

Elected officials are compromised no doubt about it. Bernie is a rare bird. Good luck finding a "pure " nominee.
By legalized bribery I'm referring to speeches for $1/4 million and such.

The crazy influx of independents into this party and onto this site give us the impression that we actually had the most extreme among them, but the regular independents that mostly don't care about politics until an election are pretty much gonna pick what feels right. The ones you're seeing on this site are the absolute extreme. The only reason they're going for Bernie is that he is what they typically vote for from the Green party anyway. He's basically Nader with a D on him. They say don't cry over spilled milk. I say don't cry over milk that was never in the fridge to begin with.

It happened with Mondale, Dukakis, Gore and Kerry. I didn't say Carter, because I think he got screwed. I don't think people like being scared into voting for a candidate they don't agree with so that the other lunatics don't get into the WH. Being better than Cruz and Trump is a pretty low bar.

If you recall, it took him a while to decide he was going to get in the race. Who would you want if Bernie decides he's out?

I disagree with you on saying Gore & Kerry were weak. IF Gore had demanded they recount the entire State of Florida, he would have been president. The Dem PARTY let Ken Blackwell screw with the vote roles in Ohio and it was THEY who let the dimwit get a 2nd term.

I'd just like to know what characteristics a candidate has to have to convince you they're a strong candidate.

I'm a Bernie supporter, voted for him here in Ga. and have promoted his to all the friends I have in other States, but I DETEST the idea that the SCOTUS has been majority Rethug for 40+ years! I won't let that happen again! IMO the Geico Gecko could run as a Dem and I'd vote for him to change the Court!

He's a little stiff in person, but his ideas are on par with what I would be looking for. Donna Edwards is the dream candidate, but a Rep. is a tougher sell to the public than a Sen. and she's pretty new. But I love her ideas.

The fact that Gore didn't contest the Florida recall and that Kerry didn't demand an investigation into Ohio are just a microcosm of what made them weak.

I want someone that stands for real progressive values and doesn't blow so much smoke up our asses. Someone who isn't afraid of their own words and positions. We've got a lot of poor people in this country and we need someone that really represents us. I love Barack and he's my favorite US president ever, but even he doesn't live up to those ideals.

is much better for your positions than any Pub would ever be. A bonus would be putting the SCOTUS in a Dem majority for the first time in over 40 years and most likely maintain that status for at least a decade of more.

THAT's my biggest fear, that many disappointed Dems will vote Green or some other minority party and give the election to Trump, Cruz, or some other Pub. Please keep that in mind when you make your final decision.

...those bozos on the GOP side would screw up so royally that they would only be in for one term. If HRC wins it will be the "new look third way" dems doing their usual incremental bullshit and appeasing Wall Street and conservatives. Say what you want, but I'd rather vote my conscience than vote out of fear.

Kerry was up against a war time incumbent and made the mistake of hiring Shrum who lost every Presidential campaign he ever headed. Plus, Kerry tried to have it both ways on the IWR. You can't vote to send Americans into harm's way and then not vote not to fund them once they get there.

That's why I voted the way I did. Not to mention I think his policies really are unrealistic.

...which is so many of us. I don't care if he's not polished.

My wife agrees with you, and I think she's the greatest woman in the world. We're a split household. She gets pissed at me when I point out what I see as flaws in Bernie's proposals. But she was not pleased with Bernie'[s negative turn over the last few weeks, and she will gladly vote for Clinton if (when) Bernie loses.

She has backbone, never gives in, and knows more about anything and everything than the rest of them all together.
Can you honestly picture ANY of the others holding up and kicking Republican butt for eleven hours? No contest. She wins hands down.

I'm for Bernie but I and apparently he sees the writing on the wall. I believe Hillary will be a very good if not great pres, esp if we get some dem congressmen and women to back her up and stop the obstructionists.

I would also gladly vote for Bernie should the shoe be on the other foot.

I think his exposing truths about her is what's being perceived as negative when the truth is, her actions are the actual negatives. I think HRC supporters will realize in November that they backed the wrong horse and it has nothing to do with Sanders. It will have everything to do with the fact that she's as corrupt as the day is long and her negative karma will catch up to her. The racist campaign the Clintons ran against Obama in 2008 was completely unforgivable. This crooked rigged campaign she's run against a good honest man is just as bad. Michael Moore said it best, and I'm paraphrasing here, that it was rich that "the millionaire is asking the guy who shops at Men's Wearhouse to release his tax returns."

...democratic socialist from Vermont with no super PAC and no establishment endorsements? It says that the HRC campaign is weak and the Sanders campaign is stronger than anyone wants to admit.

than the "D" nominee, I'm not voting for the D just because of the D after her name.

Protectionism, Trump style, is nonsense.

Cut military budget? Not according to him. He calls for the biggest, strongest military in the world, and claims that Obama has "gutted" the military.

Rejecting Big Money politcal corruption? Trump? Don;t make me laugh.

All the other stuff is bullshit too. Trying to portray Trump as more left than Hillary is fucking nonsense. Not to mention his blatent racism and sexism.

is how the messages play to a small number of voters in about 12 states.

She has Sanders supporters who say they won’t vote for her. The “Vast Rightwing Conspiracy” will come out of slumber full force against her - she is hated by the right. And her general unfavorable numbers are nothing to brag about.

Yes - Trump is a racist lunatic. He’s an embarrassment. But so is a lot of the country. The Sanders/Trump runs should show us - there are a lot of pissed off voters.

I can’t fathom anyone finds his chances unrealistic.

And get a dem congress

No Back down! Give NO Quarter! Lay her background/history out for all to see .... Hillary for WHO she really is.... We MUST disrupt the CORRUPT Corporatist run system. Bernie's entire legacy will be erased if he gives in to this corrupt cabal! Take THIS To The CONVENTION and Make her fight for it! Let America see Hillary for WHO she REALLY IS!

Which kinda marks you as actually, y'know, not progressive.

from someone supporting Hillary Clinton? Please have some self-awareness. Sanders' campaign grew in response to the policies that politicians like Clinton supported, and the macroeconomic data is clear as day in regards to decades of stagnating wages, de-industrialization, the explosion in private debt, etc. Throw in things like crumbling infrastructure, the pending ecological crisis, both parties supporting school privatization and gentrification, and outright corruption (which she is guilty of). I hope you realize that the Democratic Party is very much in danger of losing a large portion of the left and it has nothing to do with ideological purity. You now have to make your case to the left, as many people see your party as corrupt, a dead end for actual progressive change and activism, and actively involved in cementing the status quo. Maybe you don't agree, but simply shaming people into voting for what amounts to a reduction in their own living standards (again, the data is clear on this) is not going to work. Those days are over. You can complain if you want that you have to actually work for the left's vote.

If Sanders were to announce that he wanted to form a new party, say a Democratic Socialist Party, or something with a different name, that he and others would use to run candidates in 2018, I would guess that he would have a hell of a lot of people, especially young people, willing to sign up. While it may not threaten your party nationally in the next election, it certainly could in some local races, and probably could here and there in Senate and Congressional races, and there are already non-Democratic leftists running and sometimes winning locally across the country (Kshama Sawant, Ty Moore came very close in Minneapolis, and there are others). I don't think many establishment Democrats fully appreciate these changes or their implications.

...supporters bandy about "entitlement" and "privilege." Clinton is the epitome of entitlement and privilege.

Some I had not considered before.

While they didn't start a separate party, this is how right wing, neo-conservatives took over the republican party,, from before 1980 even.. sneaky and smart they were.. very local level.. school boards, town councils,, Congressional districts, mayorships, etc etc..

I don't see how progressives can take over or even move the democratic party unless Bernie were to win. It is too far gone.

So maybe starting afresh is the only way...

Oregon

a chance to vote yet.

If he quits, I will be SO angry with him too.

finished voting.

It would be a complete reversal of everything he stands for.

I was devastated after last night, NY is my state so it was personal.

I can't imagine how bad he felt.

He knows the numbers, and I don't blame him for beginning to feel defeated.

But, I bet you a million that people close to him (especially his stellar wife, Jane) saw him beginning to feel defeated, and decided it was time for him to return home to Burlington for a day or two.

The weather is beautiful there right now, high in the 60's, breezy and sunny.
You can't ask for better conditions by which to re-charge and come out fighting fit.

I wish Bernie the best and can't wait for our leader to get back on the campaign trail.

It will be hard, but he can do this.

We need this. The whole country (well, 99% of us anyway) needs this.

they are in. this talk of reassessing is just wishes of the corporate oligarchy.

As much as I hate to say it, for personal reasons, part of me wants it to be over. It has been an emotional roller coaster and it's distracting me from my new job when I desperately need to focus. I can see the writing on the wall at this point, and while I want him to stay in until the end of the primaries, part of me wishes we could skip ahead to June so it could all be over, one way or another.

i struggle with it too. but with clinton under fbi criminal probe, he HAS to stay until the convention. it is the only hope of the establishment not getting their way. if she has any legal issues, they would salivate over the chance to shove bernie aside and stick in biden. if he is still running, wont be able to do that.

we have never had a potential nominee facing a possible indictment. plus he needs to be at the convention to lobby for platform and party changes even if he is not the nom.

he has always said its not about him. he needs to honor his committment to his supporters and stay until the convention.

Won't make a difference. He can still be nominated if she is indicted or otherwise unavailable. It is important that he get as many delegates as possible to make it harder for the party to pull a 1968 and nominate someone else who didn't run.

I just don't see the value of staying in through to the convention if he is trailing at the end of the primaries. He can still go to the convention, lobby for platform and party changes, and be part of the roll call. Even if he suspends his campaign after the primaries, he doesn't have to release his delegates, and he shouldn't, or if he does, he should extract major concessions regarding the party platform and reforms to the nominating process.

but his advisor said they will be spending the summer courting supers. so i would imagine he would have to keep his campaign active in order to do that.

i suppose much will depend on how the next few weeks go. some big wins and he is back in the game.

hard to imagine him releasing his delegstes without major concessions. its also hard to imagine dws giving a shit enough to even listen to his concerns. they wanted him out from day one.

All I can say is that it works for me.

None of it is real. Only you are real. Only I am real. But I am only real when I am there. Then the rest is ....what it is..

Maybe yoga. :&gt )))

Whatever you do, hang loose, my friend.

If he is still telling Sanders that he has a reasonable shot, he'd be lying. I'm kidding a bit, but I do wonder if he's trying to ride that gravy train, $27 at a time, for as long as he can.

and until the western states vote and all the delegstes are awarded, its not over. her lead is something like 2something. ca has nearly 500 by itself.

If you do, you have a future as a campaign adviser.

the dakotas and oregon look great for him. california could go either way, and new mexico too.

the upcoming states, maryland will likely go clinton. delaware and pa are toss ups. ri is open so that benefits bernie. ct will be tough to call...close to ny but liberal, but also very wealthy.

plus, some states already voted STILL haven"t correctly tallied the delegates. i say let every state vote, get the final counts accurate, and see where it all falls out.

no real harm in that, is there?

agree.

no harm in him staying in.

And he keeps his name and image fresh in peoples minds.

And, people won't just assume he is over and dropped out.

This ain't over until he says it is, and he will let all the states vote.

I am sure of that....

Last night Weaver said he was going to the convention no matter what and Devine hedged while Sanders went home. I'm not sure they are all on the same page.

i am inclined to believe weaver. he seems to be his closest advisor.

if i was exhuasted and had a shitty day, i would want to sleep in my own bed, too.

i doubt he will change course now after being so resolute through all this.

that didn't sound like a "step back".

After that (unless something really radical changes the race given the polling in PA/MD/CT), he will not even be able to pretend to be a candidate for the nomination. Instead he'll be a protest candidate raising awareness of issues.

Which could be a great opportunity for him.

That's the best case scenario.

This is not democracy at its best.

Bernie must be wondering what is wrong with Americans ... they won't even get involved and go vote.

Of course the establishment is happy as can be knowing people don't give a shit enough to even vote.

"They" do not want us to vote.

When that happens, they win.

If you and I know what is wrong with Americans, I am sure Bernie knows what is wrong with Americans. Most/many of them, anyway.

Had hope he could get them off their ass and at least go vote. He tried.

But like we see even on DU, if one does give a shit and does anything more than vote, they get threatened with being banned.

Primaries tend to be that way.

I don't want to hear one more complaint about us getting super delegates to vote for Bernie. If so few regular citizens won't vote it is the super's responsibility to ensure Bernie gets nominated.

She will have to step down.

I'm a Bernie supporter, but that's just good politics. He's down by double digits in PA and MD, which have over 300 delegates between them. He's losing steam in CT, too, where Hillary seems to be getting a bounce out of NY. He could easily be down another 50-100 delegates as of next week. If he's not realistically weighing his options now, then he wouldn't make a very good chief executive.

For all that I've been pissed at him over the last few weeks, Bernie is no idiot. He knows what the score is, and surely is considering how to handle the most likely outcome.

And I am afraid he will be if he starts losing big in the upcoming states and stays in after it becomes almost impossible for him to win. I think he may have a greater impact if he agrees to bow out in exchange for significant reforms to the nominating process beginning in 2020.

His email today to his supporters does not suggest at all he is taking a step back.

And why would he drop out before CA? That of course is what the Clinton campaign and her supporters are gunning for, but that state is what exactly put Bill Clinton into the winner's circle.

Sam

If he wins CA 60-40 -- and that's very unlikely, but let's pretend -- CA's 546 delegates would split something like 328-218. That's a pickup of 110 for Bernie -- which isn't even half of his deficit NOW, let alone after next week. And sure, Oregon and a couple small western states will also break his way, but NJ, KY, DC and others will likely break Hillary's way.

So why not stay in anyway? Because he may be in a better position to extract concessions now, and if he's any kind of politician he knows that.

I hope he decides to stay in through the convention, as he said he would.

Sam

He will be down by 300 pledged delegates one week from today. And one week from today, there are only ~1000 delegates left to get - the majority of which are in CA and NJ.

He's down in both CA and NJ. He's going to head into CA with at *least* a 300 delegate deficit, likely substantially more.

Well, CA only has 475 delegates. How do you figure Bernie is going to win not only 300 of them, but 300 MORE than Clinton? He will need to win 388 out of the 475. That's 82% of the vote.

And that's if he can stick to a 300 delegate deficit - which is going to be difficult because he's going to lose even more ground next week than he did yesterday.


If you honestly believe Sanders can win it in CA, you're saying he can win 82% to 18%. If you don't believe he can win California by 64 points over Clinton, then you don't believe he can win the nomination.

And saw that only 19% of the people in NY voted, he'd tell us to fuck off, lazy bastards.

But he won't and he should not. He'd get a hide on DU for one and two, he'd be seen as a mean old man.

Basically, people don't give a crap about voting and 90% of the DUers who do, are being attacked on DU and threatened with being run off from posting here.

Sometimes I have to wonder why I should even care any more. I'm sure Bernie does too.

Not news though, more of an Oprah type thing where she can laugh out loud and sound important.

She does these things so well, I think it would be just dandy.

building unity to help win back control of federal government by progressive candidates like Hillary Clinton.

You go, Bernie!

not in the least. She's way to the right of Obama and so who would she be
winning the fed gov't back from exactly?

during the time she served. She voted the same as Bernie 93% of the time. Not perfect, but pretty damned good. Go study her voting. There's a lot to do coming up. Won't you join us?

her tenure as SoS provided all the evidence I needed to see how she would
govern in the executive branch if elected. I'm not going to get into specifics
but you're well informed so you know what I'm talking about. Thanks for
your very civil and welcoming reply.

His change to a hardball attack style can be traced directly to his eclipse. I suspect that Sanders knows he can not win. He needs to figure out a graceful way of ending his campaign.

He can win. But he knows Americans don't give a shit. If they did they'd vote. He would win if they voted by at least 50%.

The Americans who gave a shit voted.

Those who don't vote, don't care.

The right wing can throw at her she hasn't contended with...As for fbi investigation..that's just wishful thinking of the foxnews crowd....sander supporters can be part of the success to retain the whitehouse or not...I don't think sanders want to see America ruined by another conservative ...and if some of supporters want to dishonor sanders..that is their right to do

That doesn't mean drastic changes aren't around the corner. I think some of these changes were going to come no matter what happened in NY. Weaver is now the campaign and I'm willing to bet Sanders in no uncertain terms put an end to that today.

Sanders never wanted to see the evening news running stories about the negativity of his campaign. He never wanted to see many of the people he has great respect for attacked in this manner. It's who Weaver is and who Devine can be depending on the current wind in a campaign. But I also believe Devine sees Sanders as his boss, Weaver does not.

Sanders supporters line up against the argument I'm putting forward here with nothing but talk about Clinton. Well Clintons mean. Well Clintons dirty. Well.... What they don't get is Sanders isn't like most of them and Clinton plays no role in this aspect of his thought process. He understands it's his character.

He is a career politician and no career politician bows out when sitting on a gold mine.

The emerging consensus that Sanders should drop out is based on his harangues about her speech transcripts and her general trustworthiness, which strikes at her vulnerabilities. It's a valid argument; he would be wise to dial it back.

But he entered this to raise issues that matter, and there's no sense stopping as long as there are big stages (California and New Jersey among them) still on the tour.

If Sanders leaves now, issues such as affordable tuition, universal health care, income inequality, climate change, and campaign finance reform will lose a vigorous advocate.

If Sanders departs now, a large part of the electorate – young people engaged by the process for the first time – could lose interest.

want him to help to form a new national party, a Democratic Socialist Party, or something with a different name. It wouldn't run a candidate in this election, but could in 2018. Do any of you think that there wouldn't be a large amount of people willing to join, especially young people? Think about how that would impact your party in the coming decades. It wouldn't challenge you nationally in 2018, but it could locally and even in some Senate and Congressional races. You can all gloat and talk smack all you want, but the country has radically changed, it has moved to the left, and the Democrats are in danger of losing the left as is. You all chastised him because he wasn't really a Democrat, well he wasn't. He was running within your party and will probably throw his support behind her in the general election, although he will probably continue to pressure her and I hope he will not give his support right away. She should have to earn his support and the support of people that got involved because of him.

Having said all of this, you Clinton supporters don't seem to fully appreciate how much things have changed politically. It comes across as tone deaf, and none of you will be gloating and arrogant if things don't radically change in the coming years. Shaming people into voting for her or pointing out how bad the Republicans are isn't going to work, and mocking the victims of the system is only going to motivate people more. Best of luck to you all.

always think they are doing something that's never been done before.

*yawn*

It's all been done before. Anyone over 40 years old has heard plenty of times about how THIS time it's different, THIS movement won't be stopped, and demands to be listened to, and they will be ignored at the peril of everyone else.

*yawn*

And then Bernie drops out, endorses Hillary. She becomes President, the economy continues to recover, the young people grow up and learn more about the real world, and they realize she's been a great candidate all along. Meanwhile Bernie slinks back into obscurity and a couple of years from how, he's as important a political figure as John Edwards is.

Sorry, I have a background in economics. Prove to me that the economy is better for working people now than it was 40 years ago. Go ahead, present the macroeconomic data. Prove that the economy is actually doing well for most people and that the problems that led to crash have been addressed. Wages haven't grown in over a generation for most, inequality has exploded, de-industrialization has spread and deepened, the economy is dominated by finance, infrastructure is crumbling, private debt is massive, the too big to fail banks are now bigger. My god, there is at least TRILLION dollar infrastructure gap, a price that their parents and grandparents passed on to them. You live in a bubble.

"the young people grow up and learn more about the real world"

Oh, so they aren't massively in debt because of student loan payments? There are jobs waiting for them that pay good wages? They don't, on average, live at home longer and waiting longer to have children because of the economic conditions? They will grow up and realize that Clinton's corruption is just fine? They'll learn to accept the massive inequality within the economy and learn to just accept the huge gap between popular opinion on the issues and governmental policy? Is the environment not heading towards collapse? Take a look at the Stockholm Resiliency Center and the research they have done on planetary boundaries. What will them growing up do about that? I guess your silly "pragmatism" will magically change how ecosystems work? If young people progress, they will do so by ignoring the type of advice you are giving them. The fact is that young people know the damn issues and don't, like their parents and grandparents, have their heads filled with nonsense by the corporate media. The average age of a CNN viewer is mid to late 60's, Fox is even older. Young people know full well what Clinton's trade policies have done, their parents don't know what the hell NAFTA or the TPP is. Young people know very well what is heading for them environmentally, thanks to the fact that they get their information from far more reliable sources. Their parents and grandparents, people that watch the corporate media, don't since the media never mentions the damn issue.

The truth is that this stuff just shows that the left should have abandoned the Democratic Party years ago. You might have heard that talk before, but those that argued to work within your party were proven wrong by subsequent events.

Why don't you just boil it down to "Let them eat cake"?

Too bad Obama and Clinton had nothing to do with 40 years ago. But I doubt you will find many people who are pining for the 1970's again.

Times change. Economies change. Some of the democrats whining for protectionist economic policies sound no different than republicans... "dey took er jerbs!". It's a new world, and we need a leader who will take us bravely into it. That's going to require change, compromise, a lot of hard work and adaptation.

Guaranteed-to-fail economic policies, crushing national debt, unaffordable handouts, trade wars and massive tax hikes aren't going to do anything but make our situation worse. And that's all Bernie has to offer.

Good riddance.

So, you should realize (but you don't) that there was a globalization in the past, and the gold standard held it together. It also crashed in 1929 because it proved to be politically and economically unsustainable. Karl Polanyi wrote about this in his classic book The Great Transformation. He talked about the double movement, how free market ideologues pushed for a "self-regulating market", which crashed as it always does. The populations, the working people, in different countries moved in opposite directions, to protect themselves from the horrible impact of those policies, and some of that resulted in people like Hitler. In our country it resulted in Roosevelt. He called it the double movement. You can't point to a singe country in the West or in the developing world that is in a better position because of the policies you support. Not one. The countries that have developed, like China, have NOT done the failed policies you support. The US and every other country did not develop behind the policies you support and the US and other countries have declined economically thanks to the policies you do support. Then there is also the pending ecological crisis. You are deluded if you think moderate changes are going to save us from that.

Taxes on the rich and corporations have been massively cut since Reagan, we have multiple free trade deals, unions are weaker than they were, there are no price, wage or capital controls, finance has been deregulated, and services cut or privatized at the federal, state and municipal level. The macroeconomic data is clear as can be at how horrible a failure these policies have been. Inequality has exploded, PRIVATE debt has exploded (private debt is also far bigger than public debt and grew at a much quicker rate than public debt in the decades leading into the crash), infrastructure is collapsing (American Society of Engineers gives our infrastructure a D, and we have over a trillion dollar infrastructure gap), the too big to fail banks are bigger and pose an even greater systematic risk, among other things. YOUR policies HAVE failed.

Good riddance to your failed policies, those days are coming to a close. If Clinton is elected and continues these failed policies, the change that Sanders is calling for now will be peanuts to the calls for change in a decade. You are deluded if you think the left is going anywhere, especially if your policies continue to fail (which they will).

I said this to the previous poster, and I will say it to you.

Prove to me that the economy is better for working people now than it was 40 years ago. Don't call other policies failures unless you can prove your policies haven't failed (which they have).

My oh my! Will it be held on Reddit?

because of that one sentence, which I could have reworded.

If the supposedly millions of young people want a more progressive party they could do the following;

Actually join the Democratic Party if currently independent, regularly attend their local committee meetings and help elect local leaders to people who support their views. In other words work hard. But of course few will as bitching about something is always easier and more viscerally satisfying than working for change.

They try to join but the DNC goes all out to stop them.

Election rules are determined by each state independent of the DNC. DWS had no impact on the NY primary. No state changed their rules recently to hurt Sanders, who I like as well as I like as well as Clinton.

In states were members of the Democratic Party vote on the nominee, Clinton wins. And I happen to believe that Democratic Party members should choose the Democratic Party candidate.

in someone that wasn't a Democrat before but now feels a reason to join your party? How long does someone have to be a Democrat to be a Democrat? I would guess that you had this attitude towards Arlen Specter when he switched to the Democratic Party? When did David Brock become a Democrat, obviously not the second he registered as one? Charlie Crist too? If Crist, Brock or Specter switched parties and wanted to vote shortly thereafter, would you have had a problem with it? Using your logic, you would.

My post was responding to the specific charge that the DNC had cooked the books to keep Bernie supporters from voting. That is clearly not true as the rules were written years ago.

New York's laws are another matter. I think 6 months is way to long. A month or 2 before the primary should be enough to vote. But that is an issue the Legislature will have to address. But I not agree with open primaries.

I don't agree regarding the open primaries personally, but agree to disagree.

The ignore list just keeps growing. I put three on ignore from just this thread and they all had less than a hundred posts and they all had one thing in common.......Bernie should quit blah blah blah.

There are 1400 delegates left. Lets go get em!!!!

We can win this thing!!! 230 delegates can be made up in the remaining states. But we have to work!!!!

I just posted this because I saw it and thought it was newsworthy. I am not calling for him to quit.

But when the delegates are running away from you, where else are ya gonna step?

There are but a few grains left in his electoral hourglass and every single one of them tastes like sugar to me.

Well well well, lookie here folks!

Someone just got a shot of cold hard reality right in the face!

Then I will stop supporting his candidacy, but not before ...

Bernie still has some math behind him, but it is very slim ....

On the other hand - I am INSPIRED to help reintroduce a true progressive philosophy to the populace, and I will definitely get behind this effort ....

As I write this, the Working Families Party just aired an ad on local television supporting a local progressive candidate (in Oregon)

So yeah .... The revolution is not going away ... SO many young people believe ... It is amazing what effect Bernie has had on our nation ....

We need to keep those young people engaged .... This aint over ...