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restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:54 PM Apr 2016

The upcoming states are NOT going to be like NY, berners take heart

there is not going to be the level of disenfranchisement of indys like in ny with a draconian october deadline to change party

here is the info on the tuesday states

ct: date for party affiliation change was jan. ...not great but not as bad as oct in ny
pa: deadline was in MARCH and a local paper reported record numbers of people changing party! this bodes well for bernie
de: feb 26....not great, but much better than ny.,,this could work out well for bernie
ri: unaffiliated can vote IN EITHER PRIMARY ....good news for bernie
md: deadline APRIL 5 to change party..this bodes very well for bernie

i am particularly optimistic about pa, ri, and maybe md because of the late deadline

do not despair!

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The upcoming states are NOT going to be like NY, berners take heart (Original Post) restorefreedom Apr 2016 OP
PA could be like NY. speaktruthtopower Apr 2016 #1
MD as well nt metroins Apr 2016 #2
This is great to know. Thanks. highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #3
yw. nt restorefreedom Apr 2016 #13
Nothing about MD bodes well for Bernie, it will be a shut out. bettyellen Apr 2016 #4
Get the Broom Out and Let's Sweep Next Tuesday Stallion Apr 2016 #18
Go Hillary! workinclasszero Apr 2016 #44
Gone Hillary. k8conant Apr 2016 #51
Problem is: Turnout RobertEarl Apr 2016 #5
DU has nothing to do with turnout. Codeine Apr 2016 #8
Actually people do care enough to vote mythology Apr 2016 #10
No they don't 19% shows 81% don't care. RobertEarl Apr 2016 #17
So you blame voter apathy on people who vote? LuvLoogie Apr 2016 #33
Nobody Cares If You Vote for Bernie as Long as You Vote for PARTY Nominee in November Stallion Apr 2016 #22
You're going to lose at least three of those states Zynx Apr 2016 #6
care to elaborate? nt restorefreedom Apr 2016 #11
Bernie is definitely losing Maryland. He's not winning a 30% African American state Zynx Apr 2016 #16
Thank you. bump. Zira Apr 2016 #7
yw nt restorefreedom Apr 2016 #12
demographics are more important than registration deadlines. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #9
Someone will whip out a poll that shows Bernie gaining... Blanks Apr 2016 #21
Maryland will be a landslide victory for Hillary workinclasszero Apr 2016 #14
we'll see. but i would love to know restorefreedom Apr 2016 #15
Sorry...its a secret :) workinclasszero Apr 2016 #19
damn! :) nt restorefreedom Apr 2016 #20
:D workinclasszero Apr 2016 #23
Great. So if Clinton wins, there won't WhiteTara Apr 2016 #24
when all the "irregularities", draconian registration rules, restorefreedom Apr 2016 #25
PA will go for Hillary. Not sure about the margin, but it could be in double digits. n/t livetohike Apr 2016 #26
and you think this because? restorefreedom Apr 2016 #29
I live in PA and the radio political pundits agree that she will take PA. She livetohike Apr 2016 #30
the cities could favor her restorefreedom Apr 2016 #32
You probably should look to neighboring Ohio for guidance. OilemFirchen Apr 2016 #35
could be. the pundits often look to nearby states. nt restorefreedom Apr 2016 #37
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #63
So, you need the Repug, baggers, Libertarians and anarchists to win your Democratic primary? seabeyond Apr 2016 #27
Or, in other words, more white men. seabeyond Apr 2016 #28
Male and pale. nt msanthrope Apr 2016 #31
Lol. Ya. That. Triumph. From way back in APril, listening to the struggle of seabeyond Apr 2016 #34
Bernie will lose PA, CT, and MD. Mostly likely NJ too. La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #36
is nj voting tuesday? restorefreedom Apr 2016 #38
Delaware and Maryland, by demographics won't be remotely close Godhumor Apr 2016 #39
md could be tough, don't know as much about de. nt restorefreedom Apr 2016 #42
MD will be called at poll close. DE will not be far behind Godhumor Apr 2016 #45
i don't plan on disputing your predictions restorefreedom Apr 2016 #46
i think pa will be single digits one way or the other restorefreedom Apr 2016 #47
The 7.5% is black population. The prediction is simply a Bernie win. N/t Godhumor Apr 2016 #48
oh ok. i screwed that up restorefreedom Apr 2016 #52
RI will be close relatively speaking. But even a +20 means a net of only 5 delegates Godhumor Apr 2016 #54
yeah too bad ri was not a bigger state restorefreedom Apr 2016 #55
If Bernie wants to win, nolawarlock Apr 2016 #50
perhaps they will. restorefreedom Apr 2016 #53
You are making the false assumption that only Indies vote in those states MadBadger Apr 2016 #40
i know that not only indys will be voting restorefreedom Apr 2016 #43
ROFL alcibiades_mystery Apr 2016 #41
Nope. They won't be like NY. nolawarlock Apr 2016 #49
MD and DE are going to be stompings along the lines of the deep south Recursion Apr 2016 #56
mmmm. well i guess i am hoping restorefreedom Apr 2016 #57
PA could well be a good showing for Sanders, RI probably will be Recursion Apr 2016 #58
PA is like OH except older, more black voters, closed primary geek tragedy Apr 2016 #59
better for him than Maryland, though. WV will be interesting (nt) Recursion Apr 2016 #60
Better than Maryland isn't saying much. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #61
i forgot mt! excellent...nt restorefreedom Apr 2016 #62
 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
5. Problem is: Turnout
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:58 PM
Apr 2016

People just don't care enough to vote.

Why? Heck, look at all the calls on DU wanting to ban people that are active, and do vote but don't vote for H. Not like a party at all, more like a plantation with the H people as lords.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
8. DU has nothing to do with turnout.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:01 PM
Apr 2016

Turnout is always low in primaries, always lower for Dems, and is low when people are basically satisfied with either choice.

Our contentious little bubble isn't really reflective of the world.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
10. Actually people do care enough to vote
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:05 PM
Apr 2016

That's how Clinton has built her lead. It's why she won New York by better than 200,000 voters and better than 10% of the available pledged delegates. Because more voters are voting for her than for Sanders.

 

RobertEarl

(13,685 posts)
17. No they don't 19% shows 81% don't care.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:11 PM
Apr 2016

The voters didn't vote and anyone proud of that I don't even need to be around. You are now on ignore.

Stallion

(6,474 posts)
22. Nobody Cares If You Vote for Bernie as Long as You Vote for PARTY Nominee in November
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:20 PM
Apr 2016

you seem so concerned about the Party then I'm sure you are on-board to vote for party nominee

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
16. Bernie is definitely losing Maryland. He's not winning a 30% African American state
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:10 PM
Apr 2016

Same goes for Delaware. It's about 22% African American. It looks like he won't do well in PA.

Also, he trails in CT, though that's fairly close.

I think he wins RI, but that's a pitifully small delegate prize.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
9. demographics are more important than registration deadlines.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:04 PM
Apr 2016

Also, have you seen the polls?

He's not close in PA, and he's going to get crushed in MD.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
21. Someone will whip out a poll that shows Bernie gaining...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:18 PM
Apr 2016

I heard on Monday that New York was a dead heat.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
25. when all the "irregularities", draconian registration rules,
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:35 PM
Apr 2016

and coin tosses seem to benefit only one candidate, something smells.

hopefully these states will handle things a bit better, although it looks like iowa did straighten it out in the end.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
29. and you think this because?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:52 PM
Apr 2016

please no polls. but if you have any thoughts about demographics, etc i would be curious.

livetohike

(22,145 posts)
30. I live in PA and the radio political pundits agree that she will take PA. She
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:00 PM
Apr 2016

will be strong in Philly and Pgh. Allegheny County (where Pgh is) has the second highest senior citizen population in the U.S. The minority population in Pgh. is about 29 %. Not sure about Philly demographics.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
32. the cities could favor her
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:03 PM
Apr 2016

as well as the older folks. but pa also hit hard and her tpp and free trade position could hurt her with working class and those who lost their jobs

guess we will find out soon enough..

oh and thanks for responding!

Response to restorefreedom (Reply #29)

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
34. Lol. Ya. That. Triumph. From way back in APril, listening to the struggle of
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:08 PM
Apr 2016

male and pale.... a nd then all these months.

Fuckin' ...... Triumph.

And you know. That really says a hell of a lot. we can be proud.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
38. is nj voting tuesday?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:51 PM
Apr 2016

my predictions
pa toss up
ct lean clinton will be close
ri bernie
md lean clinton
de lean bernie

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
39. Delaware and Maryland, by demographics won't be remotely close
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:29 PM
Apr 2016

Even the most optimistic delegates targets for Bernie to come back have him losing MD by ten.

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
45. MD will be called at poll close. DE will not be far behind
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:42 PM
Apr 2016

Even ignoring the closed primary thing to start. MD has the 4th largest black population in the country. DE is 8th. Those are very confident early calls for Hillary.

You can check out my super accurate state predictor below. It has a 100% accuracy rate through 6 contests so far.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511576498

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
46. i don't plan on disputing your predictions
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:45 PM
Apr 2016

esp as it relates to md. i suspected that anyway because of the demos. i suppose ri and de may cancel each other out in terms of delegates. so if md goes clinton, bernie will need pa. gonna go look at your link now.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
47. i think pa will be single digits one way or the other
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:48 PM
Apr 2016

and ri is a very liberal state with no primary deadline to switch parties. i think 7.5% bernie is low. UNLESS a lot of ri indys grab a gop ballot to vote trump. then that screws it.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
52. oh ok. i screwed that up
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:35 PM
Apr 2016

for some reason i spaced that out. i do think ri has the best shot of being a big win for bernie unless trump scoops up a lot of indy vote.

Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
54. RI will be close relatively speaking. But even a +20 means a net of only 5 delegates
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:44 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie will have some favorable territory again in May, but he is going to have to suck it up next Tuesday. I will be shocked, as an analyst and not a Clinton supporter mind you, if the spread doesn't get close to 300 delegates after all is said and done on the 26th.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
55. yeah too bad ri was not a bigger state
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:51 PM
Apr 2016

i am sure he has people doing lots of calculating right now. they have a target for tuesday i am sure. if he doesn't meet it, then he has to consider whether to focus exclusively on polls of him vs gop candidates and the supers. but if he doesn't grab some big wins it will be hard to tilt the supers. i do think he wants to see what happens in the dakotas, oregon, ca and nm. those could all be very good states for him.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
53. perhaps they will.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:37 PM
Apr 2016

but i don't pay close enough attention to the details to predict the spread. hence the lean part.

MadBadger

(24,089 posts)
40. You are making the false assumption that only Indies vote in those states
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:31 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie is going to have his clock cleaned in Maryland. He is likely to lose at least PA and CT as well.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
43. i know that not only indys will be voting
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:34 PM
Apr 2016

but in states where they are able to participate and there are not draconian deadlines like ny, he tends to do well.
but yes, the dem input will matter as well

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
58. PA could well be a good showing for Sanders, RI probably will be
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:24 AM
Apr 2016

And remember he still has MT and OR coming up, which should be blowouts for him.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
59. PA is like OH except older, more black voters, closed primary
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:26 AM
Apr 2016

Not a good state for him to put it mildly

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
61. Better than Maryland isn't saying much.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:30 AM
Apr 2016

WV and KY are hard to predict based on 2008. We know they reky dislike Obama, so Bernie has a real chance there.

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