right.

And if she is the nominee, then I will not be a Democrat any more, because anyone who stands for the things she stands for, is not what I see as a Democrat, so I accept that the party has moved to the right, without me.

It seems to be moving away from us.

The anti-voting mentality I have seen recently is what has really informed me that the party's leadership and I have little in common.

Then the fact that so few others even bother to get off their asses and vote, tells me the party leadership likes a very limited democracy.

I agree; Clinton is a weak campaigner and may prove to be a sore winner at the convention. I'm hoping not.

But the other half of that equation is for us Sanders supporters to realize that in order for us to fight for reform of the system another day, we first have to make sure there is a non-fascist in the White House. Clinton is pro-corporate, but she's also liberal on most issues, like voter-inclusion and civil rights, that will matter for keeping the pro-reform wing of the party viable and popular.

When you miss your bus, you don't give up the journey. You just wait for the next bus along the route and figure out how to play catch up. Hillary is the next bus. Trump is the earthquake that will destroy the road ahead.

This isn't that tough a choice. All you gotta do is pinch your nose.

She lies. She grifts - arms deals to Clinton Foundation contributors, anyone? She is against single payer and affordable college, and intends to keep those tuition debts high and producing money for her friends. ($2000 off the life of the loan is laughable chickenshit). She shilled for the TPP, which will give corporations ascendancy over sovereign nations and cause job losses and increased medicine costs.

She is for fracking. She seems to love war and intervention and regime change. She has indicated support for means-testing Social Security, not lifting the cap, and has said that Bill would be a financial adviser. Bill, who schemed with newt to privatize Social Security until his affair with a young intern was made public.

IMO she won't name a SCOTUSjudge who would want to reverse CU; but she would name a SCOTUS judge who is okay with more restrictions on abortion.

That's just a few things I have issue with.

If she gets in the White House, the GOP will happily go along with her on the stuff they wanted anyway, and we would be treated to grinning photo ops asserting "bipartisanship".

Weak campaigner is the least of it.

Pinch my nose? More like abandon my principles.

AS for winning over progressives? How? Part of the Sandernista mantra has been that she is a weather vane. If she embraces his positions more closely, those who have been reciting that mantra are NOT going to be convinced.

I think the only answer is for Bernie himself to advocate for her. But he's kind of soured the punch over the last few weeks. I wonder if he could do it with any conviction.