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Dissent In Pursuit Of Equality, Life, Liberty And Happiness
Posted on July 3, 2002 by Howard Zinn Website
Interview by Sharon Basco, executive producer of TomPaine.com
TomPaine.com: Dissent these days seems to be a dirty word. The Bush administration has, at least since September 11th, usually termed any criticism of its policies unpatriotic.
Howard Zinn: While some people think that dissent is unpatriotic, I would argue that dissent is the highest form of patriotism. In fact, if patriotism means being true to the principles for which your country is supposed to stand, then certainly the right to dissent is one of those principles. And if were exercising that right to dissent, its a patriotic act.
One of the great mistakes made in discussing patriotism a very common mistake is to think that patriotism means support for your government. And that view of patriotism ignores the founding principles of the country expressed in the Declaration of Independence. That is: the Declaration of Independence makes it clear that governments are artificial creations set up to achieve certain ends equality, life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness and when governments become destructive of those ends it is the right of the people in the words of the Declaration, to alter or abolish the government.
In other words, obedience to government certainly is not a form of patriotism. Governments are the instruments to achieve certain ends. And if the government goes against those ends, if the government is not defending our liberties, but is diminishing our liberties, if the government is sending young people into war or making war which is unjustified, well then the government is not following the principles of caring about life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. When the government is taking huge sums of money from education and health, and using that money for military purposes, thats a violation of the principles of the Declaration of Independence. And a government like that cannot be obeyed. To obey a government like that is not being patriotic. At that point, when a government behaves like that, it is the most patriotic thing to disobey the government.
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http://howardzinn.org/dissent-in-pursuit-of-equality-life-liberty-and-happiness/
Posted on July 3, 2002 by Howard Zinn Website
Interview by Sharon Basco, executive producer of TomPaine.com
TomPaine.com: Dissent these days seems to be a dirty word. The Bush administration has, at least since September 11th, usually termed any criticism of its policies unpatriotic.
Howard Zinn: While some people think that dissent is unpatriotic, I would argue that dissent is the highest form of patriotism. In fact, if patriotism means being true to the principles for which your country is supposed to stand, then certainly the right to dissent is one of those principles. And if were exercising that right to dissent, its a patriotic act.
One of the great mistakes made in discussing patriotism a very common mistake is to think that patriotism means support for your government. And that view of patriotism ignores the founding principles of the country expressed in the Declaration of Independence. That is: the Declaration of Independence makes it clear that governments are artificial creations set up to achieve certain ends equality, life, liberty, the pursuit of happiness and when governments become destructive of those ends it is the right of the people in the words of the Declaration, to alter or abolish the government.
In other words, obedience to government certainly is not a form of patriotism. Governments are the instruments to achieve certain ends. And if the government goes against those ends, if the government is not defending our liberties, but is diminishing our liberties, if the government is sending young people into war or making war which is unjustified, well then the government is not following the principles of caring about life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. When the government is taking huge sums of money from education and health, and using that money for military purposes, thats a violation of the principles of the Declaration of Independence. And a government like that cannot be obeyed. To obey a government like that is not being patriotic. At that point, when a government behaves like that, it is the most patriotic thing to disobey the government.
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What Would Howard Zinn Have Said About Our Candidates? (Original Post)
amborin
Apr 2016
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kaleckim
(651 posts)1. Man do I miss Howard and his voice
However, his People's History of the United States changed my life, and the people's history series (especially Vijay Prashad's "Darker Nations: A People's History of the Third World" is amazing.
On these candidates, he would probably take great pride in Sanders' success, but would tell people that change never happens from above and to get active and fight. Occupy died out, this shouldn't.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)2. and Chakrabarty's "Provincializing Europe" and Wolf's "Europe and the People Without History"