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GOP Chief Says Hillary Clinton Easier to Defeat in General Election Than Sanders (Original Post) Triana Apr 2016 OP
Must be all the baggage............ TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #1
damn straight it is. 2pooped2pop Apr 2016 #3
And way too much of that baggage madamesilverspurs Apr 2016 #4
I was thinking LAX carousel. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #8
"that woman?" Gomez163 Apr 2016 #28
yeah that woman. should I use man? 2pooped2pop Apr 2016 #30
Its bad form. Gomez163 Apr 2016 #33
sorry, better use the fainting couch. 2pooped2pop Apr 2016 #46
Why is Karl Rove running attack ads against Clinton and not Sanders? Gothmog Apr 2016 #38
Enough to overfill a freightliner trailer. Best believe it. nt nc4bo Apr 2016 #15
If Rince Priebus says it, then it must be true. Skinner Apr 2016 #2
of course he would say that rbrnmw Apr 2016 #6
I wouldn't believe him if his tongue came notarized emulatorloo Apr 2016 #7
Was he speaking from the window ledge? TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #16
They will say he is lying but he isn't. They want to be able to laugh and say I told you so to the Skwmom Apr 2016 #5
Trump or Cruz will never be elected President. emulatorloo Apr 2016 #10
Likely they won't even be the nominees..... TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #14
Who are you thinking? emulatorloo Apr 2016 #17
No one in particular, but TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #19
GOP convention will be pretty fascinating this year, that is for sure. emulatorloo Apr 2016 #20
Yes. It will be a sight to behold. TheCowsCameHome Apr 2016 #27
Trump, Cruz, and Clinton are all, in a sense, unelectable... thesquanderer Apr 2016 #42
Reeces Pieces said that last week also! riversedge Apr 2016 #9
GOP endorses bernie, sanders crowd goes wild with delight nt msongs Apr 2016 #11
So the GOP's Spokeshole is a truth speaker. Agnosticsherbet Apr 2016 #12
Welcome to what RNC PR BS has been saying for the last two years Blue_Adept Apr 2016 #13
And we care what that idiot says because? mcar Apr 2016 #18
LOL/NT DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #21
What? No follow-through on that high five. TheBlackAdder Apr 2016 #39
Means absolutely nothing. Gman Apr 2016 #22
except there is little to put into an attack ad against Sanders 2pooped2pop Apr 2016 #31
Better to put up a candidate people *might* hate over one that they definitely already do. thesquanderer Apr 2016 #41
You assume Sanders has no baggage Gman Apr 2016 #44
Then allow me to rephrase my previous subject line... thesquanderer Apr 2016 #45
Conservatives trust what Rince Penibise says uponit7771 Apr 2016 #23
. geek tragedy Apr 2016 #24
So does every national poll taken on it. Zira Apr 2016 #25
Seems obvious to me. highprincipleswork Apr 2016 #26
Lemme ask you something. procon Apr 2016 #29
Every political figure of importance always says... yallerdawg Apr 2016 #32
Republicans offer unsolicited support to Bernie Sanders: JTFrog Apr 2016 #34
Why Republicans are eager to intervene in the Democratic race Gothmog Apr 2016 #35
Some Republicans see ‘socialist’ Bernie Sanders as the weaker opponent Gothmog Apr 2016 #36
Despite Polls, Republicans See Sanders as an Easier Opponent Gothmog Apr 2016 #37
LOL. RNCPRBS! boston bean Apr 2016 #40
And you believe the head of the RNC because..... workinclasszero Apr 2016 #43
 

Gomez163

(2,039 posts)
33. Its bad form.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:15 PM
Apr 2016

Remember "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky."

The use of the phrase "that woman" was singled out as sexist back then.

Gothmog

(145,313 posts)
38. Why is Karl Rove running attack ads against Clinton and not Sanders?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:27 PM
Apr 2016

The GOP really wants to run against a weaker candidate http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-karl-rove-attack

The Hillary Clinton campaign on Tuesday said that recent attacks from conservatives show that Republicans are hoping Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) will win the Democratic nomination because they believe he would be easier to beat in the general election.

In a Tuesday evening statement, the Clinton campaign's communications director, Jennifer Palmieri, mentioned an ad from the Rove-aligned super PAC American Crossroads, which accused Clinton of being in Wall Street's pocket. Palmieri said the ad suggests that Republicans want to face Sanders in the general election.

"While Senator Sanders tries to make a case on electability based on meaningless polls, Republicans and their super PACs have made clear the candidate they’re actually afraid to face. The Sanders argument falls apart when the GOP spokesman is trying to help him and the Republicans run ads trying to stop Hillary Clinton in the primary," she said in the statement.

Karl Rove is running an attack ad against Clinton and these ads have helped Sanders. Rove is doing this for one purpose which is to weaken the strongest candidate and Sanders has been benefiting from these ads

Skwmom

(12,685 posts)
5. They will say he is lying but he isn't. They want to be able to laugh and say I told you so to the
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:29 PM
Apr 2016

Democrats they know.

The GOP have waited a long time to take it to the Democrats. You are handing them a HUGE gift.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)
19. No one in particular, but
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:41 PM
Apr 2016

the RNC for damn sure won't let Trump have it.

I just hope it's nobody that's actually electable.

TheCowsCameHome

(40,168 posts)
27. Yes. It will be a sight to behold.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:47 PM
Apr 2016

I hope it's televised - every second of it.

Of course he back room goings-on would be pure unadulterated entertainment.

thesquanderer

(11,989 posts)
42. Trump, Cruz, and Clinton are all, in a sense, unelectable...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:00 PM
Apr 2016

...yet one of them will probably be elected!

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
13. Welcome to what RNC PR BS has been saying for the last two years
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:35 PM
Apr 2016

Anything to distract from his own shit show.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
22. Means absolutely nothing.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:44 PM
Apr 2016

Sanders is not vetted and would crumple up with their first attack ad.

 

2pooped2pop

(5,420 posts)
31. except there is little to put into an attack ad against Sanders
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:14 PM
Apr 2016

where Clinton has a ton and a fucking half of skeletons sticking out of her oversized closets.

thesquanderer

(11,989 posts)
41. Better to put up a candidate people *might* hate over one that they definitely already do.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:59 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary's unfavorables (outside the Dem base) are already sky high, and as I've said elsewhere, her favorability will likely sink even more in the general, because Bernie has been handling her with kid gloves. Once (presumably) Trump hammers her on the emails, on the Clinton foundation, and runs a constant loop of Bosnian sniper fire commercials and the like, she'll be that much further in the hole. It's not like her unfavorables are going to be getting any better for the general. And they just aren't going to be able to do to Bernie in 3 months what it took them 25 years to do to Hillary, plus he doesn't provide them with as much ammunition. For electability, HRC was the weaker choice, but hopefully she's good enough.

thesquanderer

(11,989 posts)
45. Then allow me to rephrase my previous subject line...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:03 PM
Apr 2016

Better to put up a candidate who might or might not have baggage over one that definitely has tons of it.

And again, it would be tough to do to Bernie in 3 months what it took them 25 years to do to Hillary. And she still has stuff nobody has really used against her yet.

I'd also suggest that if he had any real deal-killer in his background, Hillary would have found it and used it. Instead, she and her campaign had to resort to ginning up a bunch of phony or at least severely misleading stuff (accusations of sexism, questions about whether he was in a photo, the "foreward" to a book, the auto bailout, derivative deregulation, siding with the Koch brothers, vigilanteism, taking away people's medicare...)

procon

(15,805 posts)
29. Lemme ask you something.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:57 PM
Apr 2016

When Trump boasted that he has the biggest hands ever, did you fall for that line, too?

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
32. Every political figure of importance always says...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:14 PM
Apr 2016

"We'll beat whoever you nominate."

When they specify a candidate - watch out. The double-speak is on!

Guess who's not Ready for Hillary?

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
34. Republicans offer unsolicited support to Bernie Sanders:
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:21 PM
Apr 2016
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/republicans-offer-unsolicited-support-bernie-sanders
By Steve Benen
01/19/16 09:22 AM

Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus was asked last week which Democratic presidential candidate he’d prefer to face in a general election. The RNC chief said Bernie Sanders is probably the tougher candidate.

It’s obviously difficult to take Priebus’ assessment at face value – even if he has a firm opinion, the Republican has no incentive to tell the truth – and his comments are all the more curious given what his party has been up to lately.

During Sunday’s Democratic debate, for example, reporters received emails from the candidates’ campaigns and their allies, but in a remarkable twist, the Republican National Committee also issued statements – two during the event, two after – defending Sanders against criticisms from Hillary Clinton and endorsing Sanders’ arguments.

Bloomberg Politics’ Sahil Kapur reported that Republican operatives have “a strange crush on Bernie Sanders,” and it goes beyond the RNC’s pro-Sanders rapid-response during Sunday night’s debates. After the debate, the Republican political action committee America Rising promoted the narrative that Sanders won the debate….

Meanwhile, American Crossroads, a group co-founded by Karl Rove, is airing an ad in Iowa bolstering a core tenet of Sanders’ case against Clinton: that she has received large sums of campaign contributions from Wall Street, and therefore can’t be trusted to crack down on big banks.

“Hillary rewarded Wall Street with a $700 billion bailout, then Wall Street made her a multi-millionaire,” a narrator in the ad says. “Does Iowa really want Wall Street in the White House?”


Yep, Karl Rove’s operation is not only complaining about the bailout his former boss signed into law, Team Rove is also suddenly worried about Wall Street’s influence in DC – just like Bernie Sanders.

Or put another way, Reince Priebus can say he sees Sanders as a stronger general-election candidate, but his actions suggest he means the opposite.

Gothmog

(145,313 posts)
35. Why Republicans are eager to intervene in the Democratic race
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:25 PM
Apr 2016

The GOP wants Sanders to be the nominee because he is a very very weak general election candidate http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/why-republicans-are-eager-intervene-the-democratic-race

Bloomberg Politics reported yesterday that Republican operatives “are chomping at the bit to face Sanders,” because they believe it would be easy to change the trajectory of those polls.

“Republicans are being nice to Bernie Sanders because we like the thought of running against a socialist. But if he were to win the nomination the knives would come out for Bernie pretty quick,” said Ryan Williams, a former spokesman for 2012 GOP nominee Mitt Romney’s campaign. “There’s no mystery what the attack on him would be. Bernie Sanders is literally a card carrying socialist who honeymooned in the Soviet Union. There’d be hundreds of millions of dollars in Republican ads showing hammers and sickles and Soviet Union flags in front of Bernie Sanders.”

“Hillary Clinton is a much more centrist candidate in comparison,” Williams said, and she would have a better chance of winning over moderate and undecided voters, despite numerous polls showing that many Americans, even in the Democratic Party, don’t view her as honest and trustworthy. “Bernie’s numbers are better than hers right now because she’s been in the political arena for 30 years getting beat up,” he said.

Former RNC spokesperson Doug Heye added that Republicans look at some of Sanders’ success “with bemusement,” because they think it would be easy to define Sanders as “out of the mainstream.”

The Bloomberg Politics piece quoted a Sanders campaign official saying that Republicans are simply wrong – and that may very well be the case. The underlying question is inherently speculative and there’s no way to prove definitely who’s correct. It is, in fact, possible that Republicans underestimate Sanders’ appeal, just as it’s possible that Sanders could withstand the ferocity of the Republican Attack Machine, which the Vermont senator has never faced.

The fact remains that some of the more controversial aspects of Sanders’ record and platform are not widely known to the public at large – love her or hate her, Clinton is already a well established figure – and we don’t know for sure how the race to “define” the senator would unfold.

But while we can’t see the future, we can see the present, and right now, Republicans would look forward to a general election against Sanders – even if they shouldn’t.

I strongly believe that Sanders would be a horrible and very weak general election candidate

Gothmog

(145,313 posts)
36. Some Republicans see ‘socialist’ Bernie Sanders as the weaker opponent
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:26 PM
Apr 2016

The premise of Sanders' lame claim that he should stay in is that he is a better candidate in the general election. That claim is simply false. Sanders has not been vetted which means that Sanders is very vulnerable to attack ads. https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/04/19/some-republicans-see-socialist-bernie-sanders-as-the-weaker-opponent/

But allow me to highlight what I think is an under-appreciated aspect of this whole “electability” argument.

This current situation is in many ways unprecedented, and makes it harder than ever to gauge which candidate is more electable this fall. We have one Democratic candidate who has been a major national figure for 25 years, and has been subjected to unrelenting national attacks for just as long, and one Democratic candidate who legitimately is significantly more liberal than many in the party.

And so, it’s at least possible that two decades of attacks on Clinton are baked into her polling against the GOP candidates. Nor can the possibility be dismissed that some of Sanders’s positions (middle class tax hikes as part of a transition to single payer, which he defends on the grounds that Americans would benefit overall) could be made into liabilities, if Republicans prosecuted attacks on them effectively. There is a danger in being too risk averse, of course, but that doesn’t mean there is no chance that Republicans could successfully use these positions to paint Sanders as an ideological outlier, as those GOP strategists suggest above.

Of course, the fact that Sanders is a relative unknown nationally, at least compared to Clinton, could conceivably play in his favor — if he could successfully rebut GOP attacks on his proposals and background, he might arguably end up having less baggage in a general election than does Clinton, given her dismal personal ratings. And the rise of negative partisanship — in which voters are motivated more than ever by dislike of the other side — could also help mitigate any negatives about Sanders.

The point is that gaming out the electability argument — either way — is made harder than ever by the fact that the juxtaposition of these two particular figures has created such a strange and unique situation.

Match up polling is meaningless unless both candidates are fully vetted. Sanders is not vetted and is very vulnerable

Gothmog

(145,313 posts)
37. Despite Polls, Republicans See Sanders as an Easier Opponent
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:26 PM
Apr 2016

No one who understand the polling really believes that Sanders is more electable than Clinton. The GOP is clear that they would rather face Sanders compared to Clinton http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-04-18/despite-polls-republicans-see-sanders-as-an-easier-opponent

And yet, prominent Republican operatives are chomping at the bit to face Sanders, a U.S. senator from Vermont and self-described democratic socialist, in the general election, believing he'd be an easier opponent than the former first lady, U.S. senator and secretary of state.

Republicans are being nice to Bernie Sanders because we like the thought of running against a socialist. But if he were to win the nomination the knives would come out for Bernie pretty quick,” said Ryan Williams, a former spokesman for 2012 GOP nominee Mitt Romney's campaign. “There's no mystery what the attack on him would be. Bernie Sanders is literally a card carrying socialist who honeymooned in the Soviet Union. There'd be hundreds of millions of dollars in Republican ads showing hammers and sickles and Soviet Union flags in front of Bernie Sanders.”

“Hillary Clinton is a much more centrist candidate in comparison,” Williams said, and she would have a better chance of winning over moderate and undecided voters, despite numerous polls showing that many Americans, even in the Democratic Party, don't view her as honest and trustworthy. “Bernie's numbers are better than hers right now because she's been in the political arena for 30 years getting beat up,” he said.

‘Out of the Mainstream

Doug Heye, a former spokesman for the Republican National Committee, said Clinton would be a tougher opponent due to her foreign policy fluency, “her toughness as a candidate,” and the “Clinton attack machine” around her—groups like Correct the Record and Americans United for Change that are active on her behalf. He added that there's less room for the GOP to define Clinton than Sanders as “out of the mainstream.”

Her negatives are set in. There's no American out there who doesn't have a definite opinion on Hillary Clinton,” Heye said. “That's just not the case with Bernie. The fact that some of his success has been looked on with bemusement, I think, speaks to that.

Believing that Sanders may be too far outside the mainstream to win the Democratic primary, the Republican National Committee is doling out reams of opposition research on Clinton, and virtually none on Sanders. (By contrast, the Democratic National Committee has continued to launch attacks on Kasich, even though he has no mathematical chance of winning the GOP nomination before the convention.) Still, the RNC's actions don't reflect its chairman's rhetoric about who it would rather face.

Sanders has not been vetted and would be an easy target for the GOP

boston bean

(36,221 posts)
40. LOL. RNCPRBS!
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:28 PM
Apr 2016

Of course he would say that. To keep the bernsters going. It isn't because he thinks it's the truth.

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