2016 Postmortem
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Democratic leaders want Sanders to stop dismissing the South, where Hillary Clinton's wins have been powered by black votes.NEW YORK An influential group of Democrats is piling on Bernie Sanders for portraying Hillary Clinton's Southern victories as a product of a conservative region that is out of step with the rest of the countrys thinking.
When asked about his delegate deficit against Clinton, Sanders has on several recent occasions tried to explain away her lead as the result of wide margins of victory in deep red Southern states that rarely vote for Democrats in general elections. Those dismissals have irritated Southern Democratic Party leaders who insist their region is a growth opportunity for the national party, especially in the age of Donald Trump. And some are acutely sensitive to the racial dimension of Sanders remarks, since Clintons victories in the Deep South have been powered by her landslide margins among African-American voters.
In a stern, roughly 800-word letter sent Wednesday via post to Sanders Burlington, Vermont, headquarters, a high-profile group that includes the Democratic Party chairs of South Carolina, Louisiana, Florida, Georgia, and Mississippi expresses its concern about his characterizations of the South, which they contend minimize the importance of the voices of a core constituency for our party: African-Americans.
We commend you on running a spirited campaign that has energized and mobilized a new generation of voters, but we are concerned about the way you and your campaign have characterized the South, write South Carolina Democratic Party Chairman Jaime Harrison, Louisiana Democratic Party Chairwoman Karen Carter Peterson, Florida Democratic Party Chairwoman Allison Tant, Democratic Party of Georgia Chairman DuBose Porter, Mississippi Democratic Party Chairman Rickey Cole, former South Carolina Gov. Jim Hodges, and former Democratic National Committee Chairman Don Fowler, each of whom now supports Clinton.
The greatest asset we have as a party is our diversity a diversity of cultures, religions, ethnicities, and backgrounds. Yet over the course of this Democratic primary, you and your surrogates have sought to minimize Secretary Hillary Clintons victories throughout the South as a symptom of a region that, as you put it, distorts reality. You argue that the South is the most conservative part of America; implying states that traditionally vote Republican in a general election are not worth contesting in a Democratic primary."
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/04/bernie-sanders-south-black-voters-222220
It was bound to happen. Sanders' dismissive comments about the South were offensive to Southern Democrats.
Arkansas Granny
(31,518 posts)Maru Kitteh
(28,341 posts)Very red. Totally cool.
Beacool
(30,250 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)SMH
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Facts and History of Hillary...
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)The knocks on the South were bad enough coming from the most comically fanatical of his followers. For him to repeat this nonsense is really beyond the pale. It's as if John McCain would have encouraged that woman who claimed Obama wasn't American. It's a sad day when John McCain has a better sense of stature and decorum than Bernie Sanders.
I think the crowds got to his head. He's intoxicated by them. It's a sad lesson.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Writing the region off as "conservative" is an insult to the Democrats there.
In my view, it was his greatest blunder.
ecstatic
(32,707 posts)Exactly!
Beacool
(30,250 posts)AA have been the most loyal Democratic demographic. Many were insulted when Sanders and his campaign were dismissive of Hillary's wins in the South. Some made their derision even worse by calling these states the "Confederate states". Meanwhile, Sanders didn't discount his wins in Red states, such as Alaska and Oklahoma.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)boston bean
(36,221 posts)calling her wins there part of the confederacy were really insulting.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)always recognize that they lost an election. They always say, "Yup, we lost that one."
The Sanders supporter never acknowledge that they've lost.. Never! Every loss comes with some contorted "unfairness" or ludicrous excuse that denies it as a loss. they've never lost an election. Some of them genuinely seem to believe that Sanders has more popular vote, or "would have, if not for..."
It's completely delusional. It's also the essence of fascistic behavior. I'm increasingly convinced that the most important trait for a citizen in a democratic polity is the ability to recognize and accept an election loss. The Sanders people simply don't seem to have that, and it's frightening as hell. Fascism.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)You get the impression from some of them they would overturn the 15th Amendment, the 19th Amendment, and the Voting Rights act in a New York minute if they could to advance the goals of their "revolution".
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)messenger..... Just ugly. It was one thing when it was just supporters her being stubborn, but for SBS to mimic that mindset- and everyone pats him on the back for it. Consistency? Consistently ignorant to others needs.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)And speaking of dissing, how about Clinton campaign's dissing of the West, and rural areas?
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Beacool
(30,250 posts)It's about insulting AA, who are the ones mostly responsible for Hillary's blow outs in the South, by being dismissive of them. As a bloc, there hasn't been any other group as loyal to the Democratic party as AA.
How come Sanders and his campaign don't seem to dismiss his wins in Red states? It's hypocritical.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)It doesn't matter if this hurts people's feelings.
It's going to take many generations of migration and encouragement to get southerners as a voting bloc to see the light.
Which card to play? Maybe he's being sexist... there are women in the south too, you know.
No campaign strategist worth his or her paycheck will spend any time on GE campaign appearances in the south.
forjusticethunders
(1,151 posts)And many of those states are swing states or will be swing states in the future.
But I guess the low pop red states like Oklahoma are way more relevant. Gotcha.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)FL, VA, and NC will be happy to know some lumberjack believes they are "irrelevant to a Democrat winning the presidency."
Never mind PBO carried both FL and VA twice and NC once.
What utter nonsense.
Arkansas Granny
(31,518 posts)Or do you think that Democratic primaries should only be held in blue States?
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Since they're the ones that get all the attention in the general.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)And by "kind of important" I mean "absolutely crucial"
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Beacool
(30,250 posts)OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Ohio, Virginia and Florida, imagine the hedge she could have if she's competitive in Georgia. Or Texas.
Sanders needs to dial it back, then throw his support to viable southern states.
aikoaiko
(34,172 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)Bullshit. Why even bother with them?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Because they are Americans and Democrats.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)"I've known Secretary Clinton a long time. I like her and I respect her". He has repeatedly said that in debate and interview after debate and interview. Yet, Clinton supporters continue to scratch for negative rumors or stories in am attempt to discredit Sanders, even when his chances of winning the nomination become fractional.
And then these same individuals promote party unity and how important having a Democrat is for future SCOTUS nominations. How do you reconcile your words and actions? Do you really want a united front or is hate and revenge that overwhelming to you?
Are you oblivious to the tactics used by your candidate, just as much as the Sanders campaign? Can you be THAT blind? I find your posts so absurd.
Beacool
(30,250 posts)He was dismissive of Hillary's wins in the South, but had no issue with his wins in Red states.
http://www.bustle.com/articles/155045-bernie-sanders-dig-at-southern-democrats-was-ill-advised-for-a-whole-bunch-of-reasons
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/16/why-is-bernie-sanders-slamming-southern-democrats.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/18/opinion/sanders-dismissesthe-deep-south.html?ref=opinion&_r=0
If my posts are "absurd", the pro-Sanders ones tend to be hypocritical.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)Beacool
(30,250 posts)If Trump is the nominee maybe some of those states will surprise us.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)HISTORICALLY, Democratic candidates have eyed the southern states as a regional area which only ONCE UPON A TIME was reliably Democratic. Decades ago, many people in these southern states, in anger over favorable civil rights legislation being enacted to protect the rights of minorities, switched to the Republican party. As a consequence of these states becoming reliably Republican, many Democratic tacticians started from the beginning planning on a winning strategy that did not include the South. Most recently, Kerry did it when he observed how Gore did it, and he virtually played the same hand.
In other words, it is politics not racism.
But it is a deceitful and racist tactic to imply Sanders "minimizes the importance of the voices of a core constituency" when his campaign has embraced all ethnicities. His stump speech always includes the thought that Republicans seek to cause discourse between different ethic components of our society when we can only succeed when we unite as one people.
The southern states voted for Clinton early because at that point Sanders was still being ignored by the MSM and most people there were totally unfamiliar with his name or face. Those states were slated to go first in the line of primaries to give Hillary Clinton a big lead while Sanders was still unknown so she could advance the "I am inevitable" slogan.
The people listed as tutoring Sanders on inclusion are staging a publicity stunt only, and it is an ugly one at that.
And I am from the South, as is most of my family.
Sam
Beacool
(30,250 posts)If it was a question of visibility, he was all over NY, and she still cleaned his clock.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)and it was an extremely high number.
I do not think Hillary cleaned his clock. She benefited from the fact Independents could not vote in a closed primary and from all of the election "difficulties" experienced Tuesday.
Sam
Beacool
(30,250 posts)IMO, all primaries should be closed. Independents can either choose to join a party or wait until the GE to vote.