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berniepdx420

(1,784 posts)
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:19 PM Apr 2016

Back from a review.. I really have a hard time understanding how so many people in this country are

voting to keep the wealth inequality, the war machine & the corporate election system in tact. Another argument for educating our people particularly in the field of critical thinking.

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Back from a review.. I really have a hard time understanding how so many people in this country are (Original Post) berniepdx420 Apr 2016 OP
We are not. You refuse to listen. seabeyond Apr 2016 #1
I've listened for the last 40 years.. it is what it is.. we have such concentration of wealth, berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #2
This is not all there is in life and I am so tired of this only perspective, all else is doomed. seabeyond Apr 2016 #8
What are you rambling about... no one said this is all there is in life.. and no one said there berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #9
so this is all about women to you? passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #13
She's not even that smart. Hillary is far more likely to cave in on women's rights than Sanders Doctor_J Apr 2016 #30
+2. Thanks...It's unreal at times, but honesty is always enlightening. appalachiablue Apr 2016 #43
Isn't it funny how stress can make us reveal our true selves... passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #46
I sense some slackness maybe, let up actually after Victory night. Let loose now! And appalachiablue Apr 2016 #50
maybe a little too much alcohol from the victory party? passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #52
Serious possibilty, a lot of that going around, regularly after 4-5 PM it seems. :) appalachiablue Apr 2016 #53
What do you mean the "women lives are at stake?" What are you talking about? Seeinghope Apr 2016 #25
You are wrong on one point there passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #35
I believe that I should have said that "publicly". I don't give her credit for staying with him Seeinghope Apr 2016 #65
What are you going on about? In any case Bernie wants to make everyones' lives better not just his GoneFishin Apr 2016 #33
I'd say, jobs, treatment of consumers, healthcare and all that is related to that... Armstead Apr 2016 #41
There is no difference between HRC and Bernie on women's issues. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #63
I'm a woman. I don't trust Hillary to make women's lives better. Arugula Latte Apr 2016 #80
yikes! G_j Apr 2016 #81
America has been dumbed down. Punkingal Apr 2016 #3
So HRC supporters are lazy bored spoiled and dumb? redstateblues Apr 2016 #31
I think you just got your reply northernsouthern Apr 2016 #4
RNC cries for Bernie Bill USA Apr 2016 #5
No they don't. HRC was never our only chance of winning. Ken Burch Apr 2016 #64
You are so much smarter and well informed than us dummies. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #6
Most Rand2016…ooops…2020….are way smarter, dontchaknow? blm Apr 2016 #16
+ 1 JoePhilly Apr 2016 #18
No one is calling you dummies. It's just that you seem to think having a Clinton Aristocracy rhett o rick Apr 2016 #32
You have no idea what HRC supporters do redstateblues Apr 2016 #38
It's not about what you do personally. passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #55
That's why we need to elect someone that can get something done redstateblues Apr 2016 #79
I love having people on the internet tell me what I think. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #45
I don't claim to be righteous, but I do claim that I am fighting on the correct side of this rhett o rick Apr 2016 #69
Ah, is that what were doing. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #71
Such a burden for BSS to be so superior redstateblues Apr 2016 #34
And you think te best method of voter reach-out is to insult them? Tarc Apr 2016 #7
No insult meant.. just don't understand it berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #14
You've been reviewed in this thread and found wanting. randome Apr 2016 #10
Thank you berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #11
That's funny. OilemFirchen Apr 2016 #12
thank you for your nastiness.. berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #15
You're more than welcome. OilemFirchen Apr 2016 #22
Thank you berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #37
No. That's not nastiness. It is a simple truth. I cannot count the number of times Sanders Squinch Apr 2016 #36
some things for you to consider berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #40
Give it up, Bernie. A) Your candidate lost. B) Even if he had won, your candidate has lots of Squinch Apr 2016 #44
.. we've just begun... berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #49
You forge on ahead. And keep believing that everyone has been fooled but you. Squinch Apr 2016 #54
not everyone... berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #56
Go on ahead and fight on for Sanders, and write him in and Squinch Apr 2016 #60
to you berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #61
That's a new Twain quote for me. panader0 Apr 2016 #62
Just minutes ago I commented on a post... OilemFirchen Apr 2016 #42
That will be an important year! I'm noticing the frequent quotation of the Robert Reich Squinch Apr 2016 #48
We know how our government and elections work passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author rhett o rick Apr 2016 #23
You don't know me. OilemFirchen Apr 2016 #24
Ah but I do. Your nastyness toward Sanders supporters that are fighting rhett o rick Apr 2016 #29
I spoke specifically about those Sanders supporters who are ignorant about government and elections. OilemFirchen Apr 2016 #39
we understand you... berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #51
There is a sizable portion of the "D" party that... actslikeacarrot Apr 2016 #19
.. berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #21
Voters across New York are telling horror stories about their inability to cast a ballot jmousso75 Apr 2016 #20
If we allow a large group of conservatives sadoldgirl Apr 2016 #26
Look at how many have voted nadinbrzezinski Apr 2016 #27
Expensive, relentless propaganda, politics of identity, remarkable sexism, and Doctor_J Apr 2016 #28
It's hard to see people voting for more war, more wealth inequality, more lies, moving more right EndElectoral Apr 2016 #47
How did u survive review?? DCBob Apr 2016 #57
Because.. I was hidden for accusing someone of trolling Bernie supporters... and that is a favorite berniepdx420 Apr 2016 #58
Enquiring minds wanna know! FSogol Apr 2016 #76
K&R Carolina Apr 2016 #59
And, ultimately, *this* is why Sanders is losing Recursion Apr 2016 #66
Don't underestimate our OP. OilemFirchen Apr 2016 #67
He is fun when he drinks. wildeyed Apr 2016 #68
The guards in the Stanford experiment were independent moral agents. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #73
And, again: Kohlberg Stage I Recursion Apr 2016 #74
Human behavior is what it is. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #75
Media, politicians, and the corporate elite keep the populace misinformed mmonk Apr 2016 #70
I read an article recently that showed that places with the most inequality. lumberjack_jeff Apr 2016 #72
If so, then, respectfully, you have not been paying attention to just how rigged this has been. merrily Apr 2016 #77
A Bernie Bro wants to lecture on "critical thinking"??? ... salinsky Apr 2016 #78

berniepdx420

(1,784 posts)
2. I've listened for the last 40 years.. it is what it is.. we have such concentration of wealth,
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:21 PM
Apr 2016

we have become a super war empire machine.. and we have elections that are up for bid to the highest bidder..

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
8. This is not all there is in life and I am so tired of this only perspective, all else is doomed.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:26 PM
Apr 2016

You get... or do not care, at this point in time women and women's live are at stake. That may mean little to you, but it means a hell of a lot to those that can lose their lives. Your battle is what can happen, my battle is today. And you ignore it. Good riddance.

berniepdx420

(1,784 posts)
9. What are you rambling about... no one said this is all there is in life.. and no one said there
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:30 PM
Apr 2016

aren't other battles to fight... and lot's of peoples lives are at stake.. lots of explosions killing people right now. Lot's of children hungry ... in our country..

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
13. so this is all about women to you?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:35 PM
Apr 2016

The rest of the country can go to hell?

At least it's out in the open now.

And I am a woman who fights for women's rights. Bernie will fight as hard as anyone for women's rights.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
30. She's not even that smart. Hillary is far more likely to cave in on women's rights than Sanders
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:54 PM
Apr 2016

It's nothing but talking points and memes now. Their brains have been turned off.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
46. Isn't it funny how stress can make us reveal our true selves...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:12 PM
Apr 2016

And they've been attacking us for calling them on this all along.

appalachiablue

(41,140 posts)
50. I sense some slackness maybe, let up actually after Victory night. Let loose now! And
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:17 PM
Apr 2016

remember, it's time for Bernie to quit now. All done, go home..

 

Seeinghope

(786 posts)
25. What do you mean the "women lives are at stake?" What are you talking about?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:48 PM
Apr 2016

Hillary Clinton isn't going to do anything more for you than Bernie Sanders. As a matter of fact she will do less for you. It is apparent that she is using the sex card pretty successfully. When Bernie Sanders was fighting for HUMAN rights for men, women and children. Fighting the IRS and the Fed. Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton expanded prison populations and Hillary Clinton backs privatised prisons that are for profit. For profit healthcare. That does not help women. The Bankruptcy Bill that Hillary Clinton was for hurt single mothers in debt. Bernie Sanders has fought for families, women's rights, children's right for decades.

Hillary Clinton is not your only choice for women. Just because she is a woman doesn't make her a great choice. How did she handle it when Bill was cheating on her? She didn't believe the charges. They are career politicians of the worst kind. They are in it for the power and money, not for you and me.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
35. You are wrong on one point there
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:01 PM
Apr 2016
Hillary Clinton is not your only choice for women. Just because she is a woman doesn't make her a great choice. How did she handle it when Bill was cheating on her? She didn't believe the charges. They are career politicians of the worst kind. They are in it for the power and money, not for you and me.


She knew from history that the charges were legit. She just has such a passion for power, she was willing to live with it, and cover it up, so she and Bill could remain in the white house.

But more than that, I believe they actually love each other and sticking with your man even when he wrongs you is not always the wrong thing to do. I give her credit for sticking with him in spite of his long record of womanizing, especially when it was so publicized. She had courage. It's a shame it had to come to light like that while he was President.

I think it takes "emotional maturity" to be able to work out a relationship problem, even as severe as infidelity. I give her credit for that. I only wish I thought that was her only reason for sticking with him. Unfortunately, I think it was for political gain on her part.
 

Seeinghope

(786 posts)
65. I believe that I should have said that "publicly". I don't give her credit for staying with him
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:21 PM
Apr 2016

though. I really believe that their marriage evolved (or even started out) as 2 very ambitious people coming together. From the very start when Bill Clinton campaigned to be Presisent he said that the American people would be getting two for one. The power couple examplified.

They may love each other in their own way but not in a traditional way. I read a lot of books about Henry VIII, and Elizabeth I as well as some of the earlier and other later royals. There were arranged marriages based on alliances for political reasons. A lot of the marriages were arranged and some were chosen by the Royal themself. Like Henry the VIII he experienced both and one out of infatuation..or love. He had an arranged marriage and chosen and then pressured for state reasons.

The Clintons marriage is about their politics and power. I cannot think of any other couple in the recent times in the White House that is anything like the two of them.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
33. What are you going on about? In any case Bernie wants to make everyones' lives better not just his
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:57 PM
Apr 2016

rich friends like Hillary. And he doesn't just talk about this stuff when he is running for office like Hillary does. She says a lot of shit, then changes her position when it doesn't serve her interests anymore. She is insincere.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
41. I'd say, jobs, treatment of consumers, healthcare and all that is related to that...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:06 PM
Apr 2016

if a fairly large chunk of life.

Not to mention war

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
63. There is no difference between HRC and Bernie on women's issues.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:50 PM
Apr 2016

Bernie has never been indifferent to those issues, and is actually MORE pro-choice than HRC.

You've acted for months now as if Bernie couldn't be trusted not to sell women out, and he has never given you any reason to be distrustful on this.



 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
80. I'm a woman. I don't trust Hillary to make women's lives better.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:19 PM
Apr 2016

Her priorities are with Wall St. and large corporations.

Bernie is the one who has fought for the "others" -- including women. He is strong on abortion rights and doesn't waver, unlike Hillary.

G_j

(40,367 posts)
81. yikes!
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:25 PM
Apr 2016

I used to try to be supportive of you here, but this is just over the cliff. Someone just seems so pissed off, they can no longer have respectful communications. Just sad..

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
31. So HRC supporters are lazy bored spoiled and dumb?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:54 PM
Apr 2016

Your condesction is duly noted. Your description sounds like a certain segment of the electorate and they didn't vote for HRC

 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
4. I think you just got your reply
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:22 PM
Apr 2016

The poster did not even listen to you, they don't care.

We are not. You refuse to listen.


They are even pro bribery as of today.
 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
64. No they don't. HRC was never our only chance of winning.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:53 PM
Apr 2016

The country is massively to the left of where it was in 1992 or 2000 or 2008.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
32. No one is calling you dummies. It's just that you seem to think having a Clinton Aristocracy
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:55 PM
Apr 2016

is more important that helping those around us struggling. More important than jobs, or homes or retirements. You can rationalize that fracking for oil company profits is more important than the drinking water of us peons. And Clintons Prisons For Profits will continue to bring in big profits.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
38. You have no idea what HRC supporters do
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:03 PM
Apr 2016

To help others. You assume you are so superior without any knowledge of what other people do in their lives. That attitude will not win you any converts.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
55. It's not about what you do personally.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:25 PM
Apr 2016

It's about how the country handles issues like poverty and health care and envorinmental issues...and the list goes on.

this country is on the wrong track and has been for some time. It is only beneficial to the top 10% and the rest us are not worthy.

This election is about stopping the money that runs this country and government and bringing some equality back to the majority of citizens, and some voice in how our money is used (like for wars we don't approve of). But Hillary does not stand for that. Bernie does.

redstateblues

(10,565 posts)
79. That's why we need to elect someone that can get something done
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:17 PM
Apr 2016

instead of a candidate that promises certain gullible segments of the electorate things he knows he can never deliver. Bernie has no plan- no plan to win back Congress, Statehouses -he has barely lifted a finger to help down ballot Dems. Someone shouting from the bully pulpit does not change anything.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
45. I love having people on the internet tell me what I think.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:11 PM
Apr 2016

Again ... you are so much smart, and way more moral than any of us sad Hillary supporters.

You should have become a Baptist preacher ... you'd have been awesome at it.

You have the self-righteous indignation NAILED!!!!

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
69. I don't claim to be righteous, but I do claim that I am fighting on the correct side of this
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:03 AM
Apr 2016

class war. Unlike some here that can turn their backs on those among us struggling and support the growing wealth gap.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
71. Ah, is that what were doing.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:42 AM
Apr 2016

You don't have to CLAIM to be self-righteous for it to be true.

It is what it is.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
7. And you think te best method of voter reach-out is to insult them?
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:26 PM
Apr 2016

That's kind of a shame and it seems like you didn't spend your FFR time productively.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
10. You've been reviewed in this thread and found wanting.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:33 PM
Apr 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"
[/center][/font][hr]

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
12. That's funny.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:34 PM
Apr 2016

I was just thinking that there should be a push to reintroduce civics as part of our primary education, and a similar push for all Americans to take the same citizenship classes afforded to immigrants.

But that's because I've been so gobsmacked by the phenomenal ignorance shown by many Sanders supporters about the way our government and elections work.

Say... when's your next "review"? Any guesses?

Squinch

(50,950 posts)
36. No. That's not nastiness. It is a simple truth. I cannot count the number of times Sanders
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:02 PM
Apr 2016

supporters post things about the governing process that are completely whacked out and wrong. And then they dig in their heels and insist they are right. Usually they believe that their ignorance or inaction constitutes some abuse of Sanders. It's just ridiculous.

Squinch

(50,950 posts)
44. Give it up, Bernie. A) Your candidate lost. B) Even if he had won, your candidate has lots of
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:10 PM
Apr 2016

nice words,zero actual plans and very little talent for governance.

Squinch

(50,950 posts)
60. Go on ahead and fight on for Sanders, and write him in and
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:42 PM
Apr 2016

defiantly perform whatever other insignificant acts you have up your sleeve.

See who cares.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
42. Just minutes ago I commented on a post...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:09 PM
Apr 2016

from a Sanders supporter who believes that the "movement" will coalesce into a third party, producing a candidate who will win the Presidential election in 2018.

I'm so nasty!

Squinch

(50,950 posts)
48. That will be an important year! I'm noticing the frequent quotation of the Robert Reich
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:14 PM
Apr 2016

article that says that the far left and the right have just tons in common. The threads that quote it seem to be saying they should all ban together, because those on the right will absolutely join Bernie's Revolution.

So maybe there will be a third party for that all important 2018 Presidential election. In the alternate universe where that happens.

Response to OilemFirchen (Reply #12)

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
29. Ah but I do. Your nastyness toward Sanders supporters that are fighting
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:51 PM
Apr 2016

to help the 50,000,000 Americans in poverty tells us a lot. It's easy to gloat on the side with the money and power.

We are on different sides of this class war.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
39. I spoke specifically about those Sanders supporters who are ignorant about government and elections.
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:05 PM
Apr 2016

Those specific individuals should be encouraged to learn how to properly participate so that they can be more effective and productive.

If that's "nastyness" (sic) then so be it.

actslikeacarrot

(464 posts)
19. There is a sizable portion of the "D" party that...
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:40 PM
Apr 2016

...don't either care about overseas military action or actually support it. But where are we to go? The party a cross the aisle that is 100% for military action? And going third party is basically writing yourself out of politics all together. My one question is if Hillary wins the presidency and then either amps up a current conflict or starts a new one, will we be "purged" from this site just because we are not supporting a president who happens to have a "D" behind their name? Is there still an anti war element of the Democratic Party still worth fighting for?

 

jmousso75

(71 posts)
20. Voters across New York are telling horror stories about their inability to cast a ballot
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:42 PM
Apr 2016

You already know the answer........they don't want to educate our people in"critical thinking" .........

sadoldgirl

(3,431 posts)
26. If we allow a large group of conservatives
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:49 PM
Apr 2016

to get elected to school boards, this is the result
in the long run.

Think about it, 20 years ago a Trump would have
never made it as far as he has now.

I was warned about 25 years ago that the repugs
would make a large effort to take over the schools,
and they have.

This is the result.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
27. Look at how many have voted
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:49 PM
Apr 2016

that is your first clue... and it is not becuase they like the status quo. They simply have given up on elections as a way to change the system. To be brutally honest, elections in the US are quite frankly a joke.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
28. Expensive, relentless propaganda, politics of identity, remarkable sexism, and
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:50 PM
Apr 2016

pretty much a complete loss of a moral compass. The example of so called feminists saying that it's OK with them if Hillary wants to restrict reproductive rights says it all for me. You are not going to penetrate denial that is that thick

berniepdx420

(1,784 posts)
58. Because.. I was hidden for accusing someone of trolling Bernie supporters... and that is a favorite
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 09:37 PM
Apr 2016

tactic of the hilldawgs... the second hide was triggered within the Bernie Group.. I let them know I was hidden..and a hilldawg was laying quiet in the Bernie Group and triggered an alert... swarm swarm swarm.. a fair review and here I am..thanks for your concern

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
66. And, ultimately, *this* is why Sanders is losing
Wed Apr 20, 2016, 10:49 PM
Apr 2016

I do think you're sincere here. You are so enclosed in your personal way of thinking that you literally cannot imagine why people would come to different conclusions to you. A good sign is this:

voting to keep the wealth inequality, the war machine & the corporate election system in tact

You're assigning motive there with no basis other than your own feelings about a particular candidate. That's a classic Kohlberg Stage I mindset, where you are incapable of viewing others as independent moral agents.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
68. He is fun when he drinks.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:00 AM
Apr 2016

It is like a blender of mad, bad rhetoric and logical fallacies thew up all over you

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
73. The guards in the Stanford experiment were independent moral agents.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:49 AM
Apr 2016

The people pushing the buttons in the Milgram experiment were independent moral agents.

Clinton voters are okay with more war and continued oligarchy, provided they are blessed by the benevolent gaze of their leader.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
75. Human behavior is what it is.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:00 PM
Apr 2016

To believe that it's always (or even usually) rational and logical is foolish.

Time and again, posts are written asking Clinton supporters why we should vote for her. One in fifty attempt an answer, and they are always tepid at best.

I find that the good faith assumption about self-described progressive Clinton supporters is that they're irrational and illogical. The only alternative assumption is that they are paid shills.

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
70. Media, politicians, and the corporate elite keep the populace misinformed
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:16 AM
Apr 2016

or low informed to maintain power. Real checks and balances have gone by the wayside. The people are too busy keeping their heads above water.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
72. I read an article recently that showed that places with the most inequality.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:47 AM
Apr 2016

Are the least likely to vote to change it.

It really is Stockholm syndrome. The worse it gets, the louder the "We're Number One!" rhetoric. The oligarchs aren't stupid - they cement their hold by making things worse.

People prefer to be swayed by rhetoric than to believe their lying eyes.

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