2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBack from a review.. I really have a hard time understanding how so many people in this country are
voting to keep the wealth inequality, the war machine & the corporate election system in tact. Another argument for educating our people particularly in the field of critical thinking.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)we have become a super war empire machine.. and we have elections that are up for bid to the highest bidder..
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)You get... or do not care, at this point in time women and women's live are at stake. That may mean little to you, but it means a hell of a lot to those that can lose their lives. Your battle is what can happen, my battle is today. And you ignore it. Good riddance.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)aren't other battles to fight... and lot's of peoples lives are at stake.. lots of explosions killing people right now. Lot's of children hungry ... in our country..
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)The rest of the country can go to hell?
At least it's out in the open now.
And I am a woman who fights for women's rights. Bernie will fight as hard as anyone for women's rights.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)It's nothing but talking points and memes now. Their brains have been turned off.
appalachiablue
(41,140 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)And they've been attacking us for calling them on this all along.
appalachiablue
(41,140 posts)remember, it's time for Bernie to quit now. All done, go home..
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)appalachiablue
(41,140 posts)Cheers!
Seeinghope
(786 posts)Hillary Clinton isn't going to do anything more for you than Bernie Sanders. As a matter of fact she will do less for you. It is apparent that she is using the sex card pretty successfully. When Bernie Sanders was fighting for HUMAN rights for men, women and children. Fighting the IRS and the Fed. Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton expanded prison populations and Hillary Clinton backs privatised prisons that are for profit. For profit healthcare. That does not help women. The Bankruptcy Bill that Hillary Clinton was for hurt single mothers in debt. Bernie Sanders has fought for families, women's rights, children's right for decades.
Hillary Clinton is not your only choice for women. Just because she is a woman doesn't make her a great choice. How did she handle it when Bill was cheating on her? She didn't believe the charges. They are career politicians of the worst kind. They are in it for the power and money, not for you and me.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)She knew from history that the charges were legit. She just has such a passion for power, she was willing to live with it, and cover it up, so she and Bill could remain in the white house.
But more than that, I believe they actually love each other and sticking with your man even when he wrongs you is not always the wrong thing to do. I give her credit for sticking with him in spite of his long record of womanizing, especially when it was so publicized. She had courage. It's a shame it had to come to light like that while he was President.
I think it takes "emotional maturity" to be able to work out a relationship problem, even as severe as infidelity. I give her credit for that. I only wish I thought that was her only reason for sticking with him. Unfortunately, I think it was for political gain on her part.
Seeinghope
(786 posts)though. I really believe that their marriage evolved (or even started out) as 2 very ambitious people coming together. From the very start when Bill Clinton campaigned to be Presisent he said that the American people would be getting two for one. The power couple examplified.
They may love each other in their own way but not in a traditional way. I read a lot of books about Henry VIII, and Elizabeth I as well as some of the earlier and other later royals. There were arranged marriages based on alliances for political reasons. A lot of the marriages were arranged and some were chosen by the Royal themself. Like Henry the VIII he experienced both and one out of infatuation..or love. He had an arranged marriage and chosen and then pressured for state reasons.
The Clintons marriage is about their politics and power. I cannot think of any other couple in the recent times in the White House that is anything like the two of them.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)rich friends like Hillary. And he doesn't just talk about this stuff when he is running for office like Hillary does. She says a lot of shit, then changes her position when it doesn't serve her interests anymore. She is insincere.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)if a fairly large chunk of life.
Not to mention war
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Bernie has never been indifferent to those issues, and is actually MORE pro-choice than HRC.
You've acted for months now as if Bernie couldn't be trusted not to sell women out, and he has never given you any reason to be distrustful on this.
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Her priorities are with Wall St. and large corporations.
Bernie is the one who has fought for the "others" -- including women. He is strong on abortion rights and doesn't waver, unlike Hillary.
I used to try to be supportive of you here, but this is just over the cliff. Someone just seems so pissed off, they can no longer have respectful communications. Just sad..
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Lazy, bored, spoiled, and dumb. That's us.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Your condesction is duly noted. Your description sounds like a certain segment of the electorate and they didn't vote for HRC
northernsouthern
(1,511 posts)The poster did not even listen to you, they don't care.
They are even pro bribery as of today.
Bill USA
(6,436 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)The country is massively to the left of where it was in 1992 or 2000 or 2008.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)blm
(113,063 posts).
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)is more important that helping those around us struggling. More important than jobs, or homes or retirements. You can rationalize that fracking for oil company profits is more important than the drinking water of us peons. And Clintons Prisons For Profits will continue to bring in big profits.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)To help others. You assume you are so superior without any knowledge of what other people do in their lives. That attitude will not win you any converts.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)It's about how the country handles issues like poverty and health care and envorinmental issues...and the list goes on.
this country is on the wrong track and has been for some time. It is only beneficial to the top 10% and the rest us are not worthy.
This election is about stopping the money that runs this country and government and bringing some equality back to the majority of citizens, and some voice in how our money is used (like for wars we don't approve of). But Hillary does not stand for that. Bernie does.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)instead of a candidate that promises certain gullible segments of the electorate things he knows he can never deliver. Bernie has no plan- no plan to win back Congress, Statehouses -he has barely lifted a finger to help down ballot Dems. Someone shouting from the bully pulpit does not change anything.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)Again ... you are so much smart, and way more moral than any of us sad Hillary supporters.
You should have become a Baptist preacher ... you'd have been awesome at it.
You have the self-righteous indignation NAILED!!!!
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)class war. Unlike some here that can turn their backs on those among us struggling and support the growing wealth gap.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)You don't have to CLAIM to be self-righteous for it to be true.
It is what it is.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)I don't know how they bear it
Tarc
(10,476 posts)That's kind of a shame and it seems like you didn't spend your FFR time productively.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)[hr][font color="blue"][center]Birds are territorial creatures.
The lyrics to the songbird's melodious trill go something like this:
"Stay out of my territory or I'll PECK YOUR GODDAMNED EYES OUT!"[/center][/font][hr]
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)I was just thinking that there should be a push to reintroduce civics as part of our primary education, and a similar push for all Americans to take the same citizenship classes afforded to immigrants.
But that's because I've been so gobsmacked by the phenomenal ignorance shown by many Sanders supporters about the way our government and elections work.
Say... when's your next "review"? Any guesses?
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)I've found few so deserving.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)remove.. larry summers ..insert ... OilemFirchen
Squinch
(50,950 posts)supporters post things about the governing process that are completely whacked out and wrong. And then they dig in their heels and insist they are right. Usually they believe that their ignorance or inaction constitutes some abuse of Sanders. It's just ridiculous.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)Squinch
(50,950 posts)nice words,zero actual plans and very little talent for governance.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)Squinch
(50,950 posts)berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)Squinch
(50,950 posts)defiantly perform whatever other insignificant acts you have up your sleeve.
See who cares.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)or become a Repug
panader0
(25,816 posts)It's great.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)from a Sanders supporter who believes that the "movement" will coalesce into a third party, producing a candidate who will win the Presidential election in 2018.
I'm so nasty!
Squinch
(50,950 posts)article that says that the far left and the right have just tons in common. The threads that quote it seem to be saying they should all ban together, because those on the right will absolutely join Bernie's Revolution.
So maybe there will be a third party for that all important 2018 Presidential election. In the alternate universe where that happens.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)the wheels are greased with money. We want to change that.
Response to OilemFirchen (Reply #12)
rhett o rick This message was self-deleted by its author.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)At all.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)to help the 50,000,000 Americans in poverty tells us a lot. It's easy to gloat on the side with the money and power.
We are on different sides of this class war.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Those specific individuals should be encouraged to learn how to properly participate so that they can be more effective and productive.
If that's "nastyness" (sic) then so be it.
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)actslikeacarrot
(464 posts)...don't either care about overseas military action or actually support it. But where are we to go? The party a cross the aisle that is 100% for military action? And going third party is basically writing yourself out of politics all together. My one question is if Hillary wins the presidency and then either amps up a current conflict or starts a new one, will we be "purged" from this site just because we are not supporting a president who happens to have a "D" behind their name? Is there still an anti war element of the Democratic Party still worth fighting for?
berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)jmousso75
(71 posts)You already know the answer........they don't want to educate our people in"critical thinking" .........
sadoldgirl
(3,431 posts)to get elected to school boards, this is the result
in the long run.
Think about it, 20 years ago a Trump would have
never made it as far as he has now.
I was warned about 25 years ago that the repugs
would make a large effort to take over the schools,
and they have.
This is the result.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)that is your first clue... and it is not becuase they like the status quo. They simply have given up on elections as a way to change the system. To be brutally honest, elections in the US are quite frankly a joke.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)pretty much a complete loss of a moral compass. The example of so called feminists saying that it's OK with them if Hillary wants to restrict reproductive rights says it all for me. You are not going to penetrate denial that is that thick
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)berniepdx420
(1,784 posts)tactic of the hilldawgs... the second hide was triggered within the Bernie Group.. I let them know I was hidden..and a hilldawg was laying quiet in the Bernie Group and triggered an alert... swarm swarm swarm.. a fair review and here I am..thanks for your concern
FSogol
(45,488 posts)Carolina
(6,960 posts)Unfathomable how people vote for this status quo and think a woman like HRC is gonna change things
Recursion
(56,582 posts)I do think you're sincere here. You are so enclosed in your personal way of thinking that you literally cannot imagine why people would come to different conclusions to you. A good sign is this:
voting to keep the wealth inequality, the war machine & the corporate election system in tact
You're assigning motive there with no basis other than your own feelings about a particular candidate. That's a classic Kohlberg Stage I mindset, where you are incapable of viewing others as independent moral agents.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)He has a cache of jpegs.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)It is like a blender of mad, bad rhetoric and logical fallacies thew up all over you
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)The people pushing the buttons in the Milgram experiment were independent moral agents.
Clinton voters are okay with more war and continued oligarchy, provided they are blessed by the benevolent gaze of their leader.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)You're kind of exactly illustrating the point, so thanks...
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)To believe that it's always (or even usually) rational and logical is foolish.
Time and again, posts are written asking Clinton supporters why we should vote for her. One in fifty attempt an answer, and they are always tepid at best.
I find that the good faith assumption about self-described progressive Clinton supporters is that they're irrational and illogical. The only alternative assumption is that they are paid shills.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)or low informed to maintain power. Real checks and balances have gone by the wayside. The people are too busy keeping their heads above water.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Are the least likely to vote to change it.
It really is Stockholm syndrome. The worse it gets, the louder the "We're Number One!" rhetoric. The oligarchs aren't stupid - they cement their hold by making things worse.
People prefer to be swayed by rhetoric than to believe their lying eyes.