2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumwhat has Hillary said she would do about homelessness in America?
just looking for honest answers about an important issue.
thanks
EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)Baobab
(4,667 posts)Buying housing, lots of land is being cleared (of inhabitants) to make ready for them.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)That should help them find their bootstraps.
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)Give them housing and debt, it's good for banks.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)That slogan works with just about anything.
like, It's time we started looking at drug addiction as a business opportunity.
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)I shit you not.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)People like to say that about climate change too.
CentralCoaster
(1,163 posts)What Hillary did to aid the Honduran coup, insist on "fair" elections that legitimized the coup regime...
...it's eerily similar to our current primary process and all of it's bullshit tricks under a guise of fairness.
What she did in Honduras should be a war crime:
GREG GRANDIN: Yeah, and she criticizes Hillary Clintons book, Hard Choices, where Clinton was holding up her actions in Honduras as an example of a clear-eyed pragmatism. I mean, that book is effectively a confession. Every other country in the world or in Latin America was demanding the restitution of democracy and the return of Manuel Zelaya. It was Clinton who basically relegated that to a secondary concern and insisted on elections, which had the effect of legitimizing and routinizing the coup regime and creating the nightmare scenario that exists today.
I meanand its also in her emails. The real scandal about the emails isnt the question about processyou know, she wanted to create an off-the-books communication thing that couldnt be FOIAed. The real scandal about those emails are the content of the emails. She talksthe process by which she works to delegitimate Zelaya and legitimate the elections, which Cáceres, in that interview, talks about were taking place under extreme militarized conditions, fraudulent, a fig leaf of democracy, are all in the emails.
JUAN GONZÁLEZ: And particularly what does she say in them?
GREG GRANDIN: Well, she talks about trying to work towards a movement towards legitimatinggetting other countries, pressuring other countries to accept the results of the election and give up the demand that Zelaya be returned and basically stop calling it a coup.
http://www.democracynow.org/2016/3/11/before_her_assassination_berta_caceres_singled
jwirr
(39,215 posts)said that the little house movement is hurting union carpenters.
I beg to differ. The homeless have no money to buy a new house anyhow. So if tiny houses were practical it would have nothing to do with carpenters unions.
I am technically homeless - have been moving in and out of relatives homes for almost 10 years. Dead tired of it and would love a tiny house.
Criminalizing the homeless whose only offense is that they have no home is wrong. Locking people up for a day will not take a single homeless person off the streets for good. It will not make a mentally ill person who should be in an institution any better. It will not help find a job for a responsible person who is willing to work.
Source: CNN.coms Talkback Live , Dec 2, 1999
http://www.ontheissues.org/Hillary_Clinton.htm#Welfare_+_Poverty
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)onecaliberal
(32,861 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)IIRC it was to make things worse. No doubt it's the same model Hill will follow if Dog forbid she gets elected.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)nt
Melurkyoulongtime
(136 posts)her husband's "welfare reform" was expect a lot more of us citizens living in the streets
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Baobab
(4,667 posts)Is that what you are getting at?
Baobab
(4,667 posts)Last edited Fri Apr 22, 2016, 01:22 AM - Edit history (1)
read meor maybe this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capsule_hotel
stranger81
(2,345 posts)The homeless are not known for being high-dollar donors.
reddread
(6,896 posts)worked my way down to impoverished and homeless communities?
Baobab
(4,667 posts)send them to other countries and pay governments some flat fee to take them and "assume all responsibility"..
Like baby farming in England, a potential disaster for the poor, (baby farming represents a forgotten Holocaust.)
http://www.loyno.edu/~history/journal/1989-0/haller.htm
http://www.ultimatehistoryproject.com/baby-farmers-and-angelmakers-childcare-in-19th-century-england.html
jwirr
(39,215 posts)our attitudes towards the poor come from. I wonder if the American Orphan Train idea came from the baby farms idea?
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)it is all I was asking for.
wtf?
Baobab
(4,667 posts)Hotels even rent by the hour pod hotels, include foreign hotel firms- As they are significant investors in the US housing is world trade, so whatever we do has to respect their investments and not cause "crowd out" or be "trade distorting".
the core concept you need to understand is a body of economics called competition theory.
the presumption is always that more money buys more and less money must buy less.
Examples:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flophouse#Cage_hotel
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2084971/Hong-Kongs-cage-homes-Tens-thousands-living-6ft-2ft-rabbit-hutches.html
Due to trade liberalisation, there may be some degree of turnover or replacement of current working class residents of the US by temporary workers whose residency is contingent on their corporate employment so if they lose their jobs (or when the period ends, maybe five to seven ears) they rotate out, they will do most of the skilled jobs at the entry level . basically a race to the bottom as jobs dry up.
As far as people currently resident here its likely many will 'voluntarily' relocate due to lack of ability to afford to stay. if they were causing any disturbance i suspect that their care would likely be outsourced to someplace like Nauru which is basically an island that specializes in privatised imprisonment, they specialize in warehousing refugees.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nauru
senz
(11,945 posts)but if it becomes an issue, an aide will write up some properly concerned remarks for her.
RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)n/t
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)they are terrible.
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)except more homeless people and some of those are homeless veterans.
reddread
(6,896 posts)they can access assistance. its the elderly people in their 70's on the streets
who werent veterans that have a tough time finding some give a damn.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)surviving when nobody cares.
the human race isnt fit to kiss the feet of their castaways.
TheKentuckian
(25,026 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)I wonder how he would respond to the same question?
B Calm
(28,762 posts)LadyHawkAZ
(6,199 posts)(paraphrased)
I understand your concern, this is an important issue and she understands that there's a homelessness problem, and of course we need to make sure people aren't going to work every day and can't afford to pay rent, as President she will make sure shelters get the funding they need and if you look at her record, she's always been a big supporter of families, children and families, and she'll fund programs like Head Start that help needy children, you know in the 90s her husband was responsible for the biggest increase in Head Start funding, she's always supported families and she will do everything she can to you know, get this issue solved.
No joke. According to that guy, she'll solve the problem by throwing a little money at shelters and Head Start.
Campaign patter notwithstanding, I think the guy is probably right; throw a little more money at solutions that are supposed to be for emergencies (and don't work, and in many cases are downright dangerous) so she can present it as funding a permanent solution. I'm not down on Head Start, it's a good program, but what's really needed is universal child care, universal health care, and paid sick leave. Funding shelters is a good thing; funding them in lieu of real housing without lockout times unreasonable for working people, bedbugs, theft and drugs doesn't actually help when what's needed is real, stable housing, real, stable jobs, drug treatment that isn't "cold turkey in prison" and health care- physical and mental.
AKA "free stuff" and "unrealistic" in this "wrong political climate".
But, what do I know, I'm just a "Bro".
fluffyclouds
(51 posts)so much she wants to make more of them..
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treestar
(82,383 posts)Clinton co-sponsored the National Affordable Housing Trust Fund Act
Establishes the National Affordable Housing Trust Fund in the Treasury to promote the development of affordable low-income housing through grants to States and local jurisdictions.
Source: Bill sponsored by 22 Senators 03-S1411 on Jul 15, 2003
Tax credits to promote home ownership in distressed areas.
Clinton co-sponsored the Community Development Homeownership Tax Credit Act
Amends the Internal Revenue Code to permit a community homeownership tax credit based upon an applicable percentage of each qualified residence's eligible basis. Makes such credit available to residences (including factory built homes) located:
in a census tract with a median gross income not exceeding 80 percent of the greater area or statewide median gross income;
in a rural area;
on an Indian reservation; or
in an area of chronic economic distress.
Prohibits a buyer's income from exceeding 80 percent (70 percent for families of less than three) of the area gross median income and requires owner occupancy.
Source: Bill sponsored by 45 Senators 03-S875 on Apr 10, 2003
Dont criminalize the homeless
Criminalizing the homeless whose only offense is that they have no home is wrong. Locking people up for a day will not take a single homeless person off the streets for good. It will not make a mentally ill person who should be in an institution any better. It will not help find a job for a responsible person who is willing to work.
Source: CNN.coms Talkback Live , Dec 2, 1999
and others at source
reddread
(6,896 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)the shallow posts above making jokes assuming her position on them is Marie Antoinette's. They've created a fictional Hillary and go from there.
reddread
(6,896 posts)Last edited Sun Apr 24, 2016, 12:21 PM - Edit history (1)
or better yet, show us how she will improve one of the greatest travesties in our modern society.
I am sincere here. this is an important topic that impacts us disproportionately here.
If you could link me to some video clips of her this year discussing homelessness issues I would
greatly appreciate it.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)see the world, well the parts with sand and oil anyway.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)Problem solved, Hillary Goldman Sachs Clinton style.
Now, quit asking silly questions.
ridgenvalley
(58 posts)So they don't bring down the property values of the decent Chappaqua folk?
jack_krass
(1,009 posts)yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)1. Build more private prisons
2. We must do better
3. Soylent Green