Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
60 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Down by 30 with 30 minutes to go - is the game over? (Original Post) Csainvestor Apr 2016 OP
And to listen to the BS camp, they're not going to quit even after they're mathematically eliminated SFnomad Apr 2016 #1
They won't be. supers don't count. Csainvestor Apr 2016 #3
If BS tries to steal the election with Superdelegates after Secretary Clinton has clinched the SFnomad Apr 2016 #8
good friend of mine said it well: he's a hitchhiker now demanding the keys to the car. n/t Sheepshank Apr 2016 #34
Very good analogy n/t SFnomad Apr 2016 #45
+1 Blanks Apr 2016 #52
If the driver is drunk and drives dangerously... egalitegirl Apr 2016 #55
Loyalty to the party? KPN Apr 2016 #51
I disagree that he'll destroy the party griffi94 Apr 2016 #54
"Destroying the party" is what the BS cheerleaders said Secretary Clinton would be doing SFnomad Apr 2016 #59
Nope, because supers are up for grabs. nt ChisolmTrailDem Apr 2016 #5
The person who has the most pledged delegates when they get to the convention still_one Apr 2016 #53
There-there. I know it's so annoying but it'l be ok. I'll give you a big ole Hillary-style promise nc4bo Apr 2016 #6
If Sanders continues to force Reagan-lite (clinton) to the left then I hope like hell he STAYS IN. leeroysphitz Apr 2016 #24
You need a hug! Octafish Apr 2016 #42
fwiw, I'm sure I'd rather have a hug from DWS than from you n/t SFnomad Apr 2016 #48
No problem. Check your wallet, though. That's not my hand. Octafish Apr 2016 #49
It might not be your hand, but it's probably BS's so he can pay for free college, etc. n/t SFnomad Apr 2016 #58
They give up. northernsouthern Apr 2016 #2
Exactly. Plus their full court pressing Bernie to throw in the towel is Unamerican. dinkytron Apr 2016 #4
The team doesn't quit...but most of the fans in the stands know what the odds are. brooklynite Apr 2016 #7
That is the point!.... Segami Apr 2016 #9
As a SeaHawks fan MFM008 Apr 2016 #10
When you are down 230 and 1400 points are left to win Csainvestor Apr 2016 #11
Even when you score a touchdown Codeine Apr 2016 #14
239 Delegates lmbradford Apr 2016 #12
Farther ahead than Obama? Codeine Apr 2016 #13
Still not correcting your misinformed and counterfactual statement? nt Codeine Apr 2016 #16
No, Obama was ahead after Super Tuesday and never lost his lead. Zynx Apr 2016 #22
Crickets. nt Codeine Apr 2016 #39
Still not correcting your misinformed and counterfactual statement? nt Codeine Apr 2016 #60
As far as I am concerned it isn't going to ever be over even perhaps especially if we win. Kalidurga Apr 2016 #15
More like 2 Minutes to go nt firebrand80 Apr 2016 #17
You're down by 30 at the 2 minute warning. nt LexVegas Apr 2016 #18
yep. call it. call it. n/t leeroysphitz Apr 2016 #19
I think we are past half time liberal N proud Apr 2016 #20
If scoring was done by proportional representation, like allocation of delegates is... SidDithers Apr 2016 #21
And Sanders isn't Frank Reich. FSogol Apr 2016 #32
You don't just walk off the field, though. joshcryer Apr 2016 #44
I can agree with that...nt SidDithers Apr 2016 #46
I'd say you're down 30 with six minutes to go. Zynx Apr 2016 #23
Uf vrs fsu SwampG8r Apr 2016 #25
Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?? MadBadger Apr 2016 #26
Depends how plausible it is to score 30 points in 30 minutes. DCBob Apr 2016 #27
The trainers are gathering up the extra gear and packing the bus. JoePhilly Apr 2016 #28
Winners Don't Quit and Quitters Don't Win! ViseGrip Apr 2016 #29
We will take California. DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #30
At this rate he will have to win it by eighty points. DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #31
What the heck are you talking about? DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #33
Hard to control the state party when all the leaders are Clinton people or unannounced DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #36
The state delegates voted at the primary control the party not those elected officials. DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #38
They are my elected officials too... DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2016 #41
The California Democratic Party is one Codeine Apr 2016 #37
You must be talking about me. DemocracyDirect Apr 2016 #40
More like down by two in the top of the sixth. n/t Admiral Loinpresser Apr 2016 #35
I've notice people starting to leave the stadium... brooklynite Apr 2016 #43
One of the cheerleaders switched teams Codeine Apr 2016 #47
Depends. Tommy_Carcetti Apr 2016 #50
Mercy rule? Sancho Apr 2016 #56
Depends. If the quarterback for the team that's down just blew his knee out, MineralMan Apr 2016 #57
 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
1. And to listen to the BS camp, they're not going to quit even after they're mathematically eliminated
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:00 AM
Apr 2016

because, math!

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
8. If BS tries to steal the election with Superdelegates after Secretary Clinton has clinched the
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:04 AM
Apr 2016

pledged delegate majority ... BS will be destroying the Democratic Party. Then again, he's a carpetbagger with no history or loyalty to the party ... so maybe he doesn't care.

 

egalitegirl

(362 posts)
55. If the driver is drunk and drives dangerously...
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:28 AM
Apr 2016

...it is better for both the driver and the hitchhiker that the hitchhiker drives. Hillary is the candidate of Wall Street, an industry that supports perpetual wars and works with the Bush family.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
51. Loyalty to the party?
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:56 AM
Apr 2016


Like the Party's been loyal to the people. Stop fooling yourself. Loyalty is a losers game in this particular ballpark.

griffi94

(3,733 posts)
54. I disagree that he'll destroy the party
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:10 AM
Apr 2016

Should Bernie agressively try that after losing as badly as he's been losing he'll become a
caricature.
His most hardcore supporters will go back to the far edges and he'll go back to
Vermont and tell everybody how by losing he really won.

His supporters who aren't among the hardcore will have forgotten him by November
and they'll support Hillary.

The party will continue to represent Democrats.
There's not enough to his revolution to destroy the party.

The give me what I want or I'll burn it all down demographic isn't large enough
nor dominant enough in any states to swing that.

They're loud and they're angry almost to the point of being unhinged but
typical Americans aren't going to follow that.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
59. "Destroying the party" is what the BS cheerleaders said Secretary Clinton would be doing
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 01:44 PM
Apr 2016

if she were in the same position. And they thought that situation would be possible early in the nomination process.

Today, it's clear they either didn't believe that or new they feel that rule only applies to her.

still_one

(92,204 posts)
53. The person who has the most pledged delegates when they get to the convention
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:01 AM
Apr 2016

will get the Super Delegates

This won't happen, but hypothetically,

If the person who did not get the most pledged delegates steals the super delegates from the person who has the most pledged delegates, and that person gets the nomination, they will lose the general election, because the vast majority of supporters of the person who won the most pledged delegates will not for the person who stole the super delegates. It is as simple as that

As I said though, that won't happen. The person who has the most pledged delegates will get the super delegates period

nc4bo

(17,651 posts)
6. There-there. I know it's so annoying but it'l be ok. I'll give you a big ole Hillary-style promise
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:04 AM
Apr 2016
 

leeroysphitz

(10,462 posts)
24. If Sanders continues to force Reagan-lite (clinton) to the left then I hope like hell he STAYS IN.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:40 AM
Apr 2016

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
49. No problem. Check your wallet, though. That's not my hand.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:49 AM
Apr 2016

But if the highly affluent are thriving, the super-rich are enjoying one of the brightest epochs since the days of the robber barons. These people, according to a study by economists Steven N. Kaplan and Joshua D. Rauh, are the top 0.0001 percent of 311.5 million U.S. individuals. In constant 2011 dollars, their wealth has grown seven-fold since 1992—from $214 billion in 1982 to $1.525 trillion in 2011. This at a time when most Americans have endured little or no real income growth.

SOURCE: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/04/03/aristocracy-of-talent-social-mobility-is-the-silver-lining-to-america-s-inequality-crisis.html


Wait till TPP kicks in. We'll all swoon.
 

northernsouthern

(1,511 posts)
2. They give up.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:00 AM
Apr 2016

And donate all of their money to the other team. And then do on to root for them in the next game. That is the rule right?

MFM008

(19,814 posts)
10. As a SeaHawks fan
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:12 AM
Apr 2016

you can still lose in the last DAMN 10 seconds of the super bowl game.
But you cant add to the score when you are to far behind and the games over.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
14. Even when you score a touchdown
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:28 AM
Apr 2016

your opponent will probably score five points too. At a certain point it's futility.

lmbradford

(517 posts)
12. 239 Delegates
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:25 AM
Apr 2016

That isn't even counting a few that he will still get from Washington. And he is farther ahead than Obama was when he ran against her. We are in a great spot. GET TO WORK!! FEEL THE BERN!!

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
22. No, Obama was ahead after Super Tuesday and never lost his lead.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:33 AM
Apr 2016

You're just lying to the world or are tragically misinformed.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
15. As far as I am concerned it isn't going to ever be over even perhaps especially if we win.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 12:55 AM
Apr 2016

There are a lot of different ways to get our values out as policy. For example referendums. Second by having temper tantrums and telling Pols directly if you don't support liberal values then you can and will be primaried. The gig is up we are learning how to grass roots organize and how to be heard.

liberal N proud

(60,335 posts)
20. I think we are past half time
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:16 AM
Apr 2016

A game is usually 60 minutes and you make is sound like it only half time.

It is more like late in the 4th quarter. And you forget that in this game every time you score, your opponent sores too.



SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
21. If scoring was done by proportional representation, like allocation of delegates is...
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:28 AM
Apr 2016

then yes, the game is over.

Sid

FSogol

(45,488 posts)
32. And Sanders isn't Frank Reich.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:05 AM
Apr 2016

From wiki:

The biggest highlight of Reich's college career was the comeback he led against the Miami Hurricanes on November 10, 1984 at the Orange Bowl Stadium. Reich came off the bench to play for Stan Gelbaugh, who had previously replaced him as the starter after Reich separated his shoulder in the fourth week of the season against Wake Forest. Quarterback Bernie Kosar had led Miami to a 31–0 halftime lead. At the start of the third quarter, Reich led the Terrapins on multiple scoring drives. Three touchdowns in the third quarter and a fourth at the start of the final quarter turned what was a blowout into a close game. With Miami leading 34–28, Reich hit Greg Hill with a 68-yard touchdown pass, which deflected off the hands of Miami safety Darrell Fullington, to take the lead. Maryland scored once more to cap a 42–9 second half, and won 42–40, completing what was then the biggest comeback in NCAA history.


and

During the final game of the 1992 regular season, the Houston Oilers defeated Buffalo 27–3 in Houston, where Kelly suffered strained ligaments in his knee and yielded to Reich to finish the game in his place. With Kelly out, Reich took the reins as the starter for the wild card game the following week, on January 3, 1993. The wild card game was a rematch with the Oilers, hosted in Buffalo, where they led the Bills 35-3 early in the 3rd quarter, but Reich then led the Bills on a 38-3 run en route to a 41-38 overtime victory, the largest comeback in NFL history.


joshcryer

(62,276 posts)
44. You don't just walk off the field, though.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:17 AM
Apr 2016

That's totally unsportsmanlike.

Of course, you don't start committing fouls and beating up the other team just because you've mathematically lost, either.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
23. I'd say you're down 30 with six minutes to go.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 08:34 AM
Apr 2016

And the commentators are rightly talking about the playoffs with your team out of the hunt.

SwampG8r

(10,287 posts)
25. Uf vrs fsu
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:45 AM
Apr 2016

My gators were up 3 tds and a field goal
Fsu scored 4 times in 6 minutes to win as the clock ran out
Prevent defense loses every time

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
27. Depends how plausible it is to score 30 points in 30 minutes.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 09:49 AM
Apr 2016

Not very in the situation Bernie is in.

 

DemocracyDirect

(708 posts)
33. What the heck are you talking about?
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:06 AM
Apr 2016

We want to control the state party in California.

I wasn't talking about the nomination in my response.

But right now Bernie Sanders needs to win 58.5% of delegates to get the nomination.

Difficult but not impossible. Let's see if New York was an anomaly.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
36. Hard to control the state party when all the leaders are Clinton people or unannounced
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:09 AM
Apr 2016

Jerry Brown -unannounced and will stay that way
Gavin Newsome- endorsed Hillary
Barbara Boxer-endorsed Hillary
Diane Feinstein-endorsed Hillary
Kamala Harris-endorsed Hillary

 

DemocracyDirect

(708 posts)
38. The state delegates voted at the primary control the party not those elected officials.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:11 AM
Apr 2016

But I appreciate you knowing who our elected officials are.

I support them also.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
37. The California Democratic Party is one
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:11 AM
Apr 2016

of the most organized, powerful, and dedicated in the nation. It won't topple to some loud kids and disaffected Greens who have decided they want the car keys.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
47. One of the cheerleaders switched teams
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:27 AM
Apr 2016

right on the sidelines, and some of the folks in the front row are finally putting on team jerseys.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
50. Depends.
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 10:53 AM
Apr 2016

Are we talking hockey or soccer?

Or basketball or football?

Guess you aren't talking about baseball since it isn't a clock governed sport....one of the things that makes baseball the greatest of all the major team sports.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
57. Depends. If the quarterback for the team that's down just blew his knee out,
Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:45 AM
Apr 2016

Then, probably it's over. In reality, such sports comparisons with political campaigns aren't very relevant.

Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»2016 Postmortem»Down by 30 with 30 minute...