Sounds like Obama's first term

anyway - Well Said

The price to pay for getting corporate donations...

calling ourselves progressives and instead call ourselves FDR Democrats.

She doesn't believe climate change is that serious. She can't stand doing charity work. She is extremely prejudiced against blacks & Muslims. Etc. She calls me an "extreme" liberal. I finally told her recently that no, I'm just liberal. As in not conservative.

The point is that the word has become meaningless. If you are ok with gay marriage, you can call yourself progressive & in every other way be conservative.

I'm an FDR Democrat. WE are FDR Dems.

Don't smear the rest of us by suggesting we are racist and Muslim-hating.

republicans do it regularly and we allow it.

What the DLC, BLue Dog Third Way, Neo-Dem crowd does is not, and has never been, Liberal or Progressive.

Why lest them "Orwellianate" the definitions?

however I also like FDR Dem !

And set in motion nuking of Japan.

I live this fucking primary. I say we should stop being washy washy -- let's just repeal Social Security and Medicare. That'll show those FDR Democrats.

Not worth the trouble if it came from such a reprehensible person. You'd think The EPA has to go, Nixon was terrible.

I swear, I don't fear republicans as much as Third Wayers.

He was such an awful man. I much prefer Herbert Hoover...The US would be much better off if he could have remained president instead of that awful FDR

progressive than FDR, who was more wealthy than her.

FDR was a godsend for my starving, dirt farming grandfather and family. But, FDR's SS plan had a lot of holes. He allowef segregation in the military. And internment and bombing of Japanese is hardly progressive.

was one hell of an important incremental change. Same thing could happen to ACA, etc.

Sanders yelling at the sky, will produce little more than bird droppings.

As mayor he did not "yell at the sky" He has demonstrated that he knows how to work the system and be pragmatic to get things done. No reason to believe he could not apply the same skills in DC.

Just looking for something to piss on? Anything?

I mean,, it's not a healthy way to live, in my view.

It is basically meaningless. Anyone can call themselves a progressive. We had progressive Republicans here.

You're not in a special 'club'. You're not more Progressive than everyone else. If you can't work on a team, then what good are you?
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"If the Democratic Party would fight as hard for the Working Class as the Republican Party fights for the Ruling Class, the Republicans would be a powerless minority party within a few election cycles.

The Democratic Party knows this, the Republican Party knows this, the Ruling Class knows this- and they've been astonishingly successful at making sure the Working Class never learns this.

The status quo was rolling along just fine, until Bernie Sanders came along and mucked it up with his crazy ideas about democracy, equality and justice. ~ Anonymous"

Ideologues of course have a problem working with coalitions.

fundraising for down ticket Democrats.

Have you read the Democratic Party's 'Democratic Victory Task Force' report issued after the Democratic Party thumping in the 2014 midterms?
We issued that report and don't appear to have acted on any of it a year later. It was weak as it was.
If we cannot cultivate and build our voter base and don't except than Democratic Party is more corporate than people-powered, than we will continue to get thumped in midterms.

even when the Dems were in full power?

Just depends on what ideology you choose

... against Republicans, instead of against liberals.

If she's a liberal, I'm Brigitte Bardot in her heyday.

You will change your tune. Or not.

But that's for you to come to terms with. Me, I want to keep the White House Blue and get as many congressional seats along the way as we can.

And she's not. By any stretch of the imagination. Liberals don't say they're open to abortion concessions. She holds many, many positions that can barely be called moderate, much less liberal. Peddling her as a liberal is like selling fake Gucci bags.

And the vast majority of liberals would be fine with late term abortion restrictions that include exemptions for life and health of the mother, which includes mental health.

You're the one with the extreme position if you think it's acceptable to carry out an abortion procedure on a viable fetus with no medical problems for mother or child that doesn't give the viable fetus a good chance at life.

Edit: AKA, inducing early labor or a C, if a woman is so determined not to be pregnant that late, but there are no health problems for her or the baby. Just for clarification. Doctors do it all the time for people who want the tummy tuck along with avoiding labor.

You sound like a crazy person. All I'm saying is medical decisions should not be made by politicians, they should be made by a woman and her physician. You've got me tearing live babies from the womb and slaughtering them for heaven's sake. Get a freaking grip.

And that's her concession, if you actually read her policy statements.

A woman's medical decision is made by the woman and her doctor, not the woman and her Congressional representative.

Again, extreme position, far beyond even Roe v. Wade.

Edit to add: and honestly, it's the fact that people like you believe that "no compromise" is the way to go that makes the hardline people who refuse to include, as Roe v. Wade requires, exemptions for both health and life, and mental as well as physical health, also say "no compromise" and jail women for falling down the stairs.

Even to save the life of the mother it's a very, very rare occurrence. If you give them this concession, they'll slowly but surely try to insert other restrictions, just as they have done in so many states. Quite honestly, I don't really care. I'm beyond childbearing years. If Hillary wants to give away younger women's rights and they're okay with it, they can wonder what happened when the TRAP laws start appearing in federal law. When you start giving away what we fought for, you only have yourselves to blame when it's gone.

.... is that a mental health exemption will let people just decide to abort late, ignoring that depression severe enough to throw oneself down stairs is obviously a serious threat to a woman's life. And ignoring that bipolar depression kills women and babies too through suicide attempts.

For years and years the right wing has tried to make an issue of late term abortions of any kind, but the truth is the procedures are nearly nonexistent. I know a woman who was giving birth and the baby was too large for the birth canal and it was too late for a C-section. You might have thought this was the time for a late term abortion, but instead they used suction. Sadly, massive suction and the baby died a few hours later. For a Democratic candidate to even hint that she's willing to cede anything to the batshit crazy right wingers on abortion is really troubling. But, maybe it's the tip of the iceberg. She keeps telling us she can reach across the aisle and if it's the way her husband reached across the aisle we'll end up with a whole lot of Republican legislation enacted.

... then we should accept their line that since abortion in the case of rape or incest happens also just as infrequently as any procedure to end a pregnancy (with or without the intent of ending the child's life too) after the fetus is viable, the burden it places on rape victims to prove their assault before they can get an early abortion doesn't matter.

I have written numerous posts about how the care women receive during delivery and prioritizing child or mother should be mother's choice, because I nearly killed my own Mom trying to get born, and agree 100% the doctors were right to ask her which life to prioritize. She chose mine, or I'd be dead. I'm grateful for the gift of life, not seeing it as some kind of entitlement. I have no idea what information your friend had to make that decision, or if it was made for her (was she unconscious and unable to give informed consent?) But Mom made hers.

Far worse than even the case you mentioned, women in Catholic hospitals are daily not getting the information they need to make truly informed consent to expectant management when they are in tbe midst of inevitable miscarriages of non-viable fetuses. Not even a CHANCE for a good outcome, ONLY the possibility of both dying instead of just one. I don't know if your friend was in a Catholic hospital.

But we're actually on the same side, believe it or not.

They're a very patient bunch and they've gone from trying to make huge changes in abortion laws to taking tiny bites out of abortion laws. That's why I say "no compromise."

If they want to ban specific procedures (most of which are not in use, but they love to discuss, such as D&X on a living, viable, healthy fetus or saline abortion) with a mother having no risk to her health or her life (including mental and physical health).... Remembering that if D&X is ever medically safer than an induction, it's because the fetus has severe hydrocephalous....

And in exchange they agree that the medical definition of pregnancy is implantation (to stop attacks on the MAP and the "mini-abortion" debate), that the mother's health and life, both physical and mental health, must always take precedence no matter what the gestational stage, give full information to any woman in labor and eliminate religions officials from hospital ethics committees, and agree to never, EVER prosecute another woman again for self-abortion or seeking one out that is not done within accordance of the law.... AND agree to allow all women, including those on Medicaid or Medicare, to choose whatever medical provider they like for non-abortion services...

That one, I'd do.

No truly pro-choice woman accepts the assumption that women pursue late term abortions with such frequency that it needs to be regulated further. She has betrayed women and children with mass incarceration and welfare reform and apparently is all too happy to participate in demoniozing us over abortion. Some feminist!

dead American servicemen and women?

Then again, I don't give a runny shit about the party label. The party has slid center-right. It's meaningless to me now.

of Hillary's positions, namely that she is a corporate Neoliberal.

You have proven that nothing you post is of value.

/ignore list.

If not, happy to be on your ignore list.

If so, because I responded to someone saying they were a famous film actress if Hillary was a liberal, happy to be there as well if you consider such statements to be issue-based criticism.

Either way, have a great day!

Hillary is no liberal. She hasn't been since her Arkansas days when she hooked up with the Rose Law Farm, the Wal-Mart board, and Arkansas's richest Republicans.

It's the all purpose deflection to stifle criticism by linking it with mental health problems

And even apologize to you and that poster. Even if their post seemed to demonstrate the left version of the phenomenon people have used that phrase to demonstrate.

But I still believe that Hillary IS liberal. Not as much as Sanders. And the voters, at least so far pretty statistically significantly, have agreed she's the liberal they want.

Getting into labels about liberal and progressive gets tricky. It depends on how one defines it, and also on the specific issue is involved.

The same person, for example, can be very conservative on an issue like abortion, but also be very liberal on economic issues like corporate regulation or otehr social issues like strengthening the safety net.

It might make her LOOK like one to some people, but she certainly is not one, and she DEFINITELY is not a progressive, as she so disgustingly has claimed when she felt it was needed.

and continued gridlock. Which is what the Third Wayers want. More status quo, and check-cashing. Look for POTUS Hillary to sign a bill means-testing Social Security.

Stop living in denial and come to grips with what you are if you are supporting Hillary. It ain't a "liberal."

NOT radical FAR left

Weaver Derangement Syndrome in full effect.

... there's an awful lot of allegedly Blue people attacking Blues instead of directing their efforts against Republicans in the campaigns right now.

It all needs to stop.

I really would like to see the passion Weaver has used to advocate for Bernie attacking the GOP. Calling him passionate was being extremely generous with my true feelings about his calling for the Supers to overturn pledged delegates after fiercely advocating that the election should be decided by voters and not Supers, but... it really was trying to come up with the most generous thing I could say.

Mr "Anita Hill's a little bit nutty and a little bit slutty" We're now supposed to embrace him cause he's supposedly "our" slime ball? Even though he's using the same smear tactics and media manipulation tricks against those on the left? Yeah, no thanks. Brock is everything wrong with American Politics. The fact that the Clintons are now embracing him says volumes.

counterproductive to their shared goals. Progressives on the other hand are just about unicorns and rainbows in thinking even the little people have rights and needs that need to be addressed.

Voters, for the most part, in the Democratic primaries have nothing against progressives or progressive goals. Many of them simply prefer Hillary over Bernie. The preference does not reflect a war against progressives by any means. If the OP could overlook the sour grapes, that fact might be seen.

Imagine if they put that same effort into fighting against Republicans...

I'm trying to find the difference between Democrats and Republicans.

I'm trying to find the difference between "progressives" and Republicans.

were blurring the lines between themselves and Republicans. Of the reasons I cited for my opinion was a perception that unjustified wars were being waged and there was a reliance on appeals authoritarianism.

I can't tell the difference between what I'm supposed to vote for versus what I'm supposed to vote against.

...blur the lines of between themselves and Republicans.

That's just crass authoritarianism and I have no regrets about rejecting it.

corporatism, war and authoritarianism. If I wanted to vote for corporatism, war and authoritarianism I could vote Republican.

If you can't provide that distinction that's your fault, not mine.

By helping Donald Trump

A vote for Hillary is a vote for a long-established record of war, corporatism and cronyism. War, corporatism and cronyism isn't suddenly redeemed because it comes wrapped in the label "Democrat." It's still war, corporatism and cronyism. If Trump wins at least we'll have the ability to claim the war, corporatism and cronyism didn't come with a "D" on it and we can leave it with the Republicans where is belongs.

It's so absolutely telling that you have no other argument. Not once have you tried to argue against her record of war, corporatism and cronyism; all you can do is argue in favor of labels as if that means anything. You can't argue the merits of her past decisions. You can't argue the surety of her future policies.

"My country/political faction, right or wrong" is the sort of primitive thinking that has all but ruined this world. Try to have the decency to come up with something better than that.

If you can.

By opposing Clinton, you're helping Donald Trump

You have nothing to vote for; just reptilian tribalism. I suppose if Cheney switch party affiliation but kept acting the way he always has you'd be peddling for him because LABELZ!

It's everything that has ruined this world and I won't participate.

By not participating, you are participating and complicit.

That's all you have to do to win my support.

embarrassed by your own candidate to advocate for her, so you just play games.

A vote for Clinton may as well be a vote for Cheney.

Perhaps you really prefer being in the minority - it helps the left's martyr complex to be losers.

Don't you people have any shame? Probably absolutely shameless at this point...

They have mock fights over a few social wedge issues and then work together in Washington doing the bidding of their corporate and top 0.1% masters.

Hillary and Bill have much more contempt for progressives than they do for Republicans.

Probably even more than they hate the right.

they provide the faces to hippie-punch and blame for their electoral losses. It's a win-win!